darkwheeldarkwheelInvestigates Shinrarta Dezhra's unique status within the game, including anomalies in Founder's World such as missing night-side city lights and exclusion from civilization filters, suggesting potential hidden significance related to Raxxla.
Original theorist: roryclague -- View original post
Notes that Shinrarta Dezhra appears to be classified outside normal human civilization parameters in the galactic map's civilization filter, suggesting unique status that may relate to Raxxla.
I've been lurking here for a long time; thanks for the fascinating discussion. I primarily explore in the game and I'm always looking around for clues regarding Raxxla. I've noticed that Shinrarta Dezhra comes up in the discussion now and then. Have you discussed the fact that the Founder's World doesn't seem to have city lights on its night side? I'm not sure if it's always been this way, but I only noticed it in the last few days since I returned to the bubble after a long trip away. Of course, it might not signify anything. Perhaps the system population of 83 million is below some cutoff for ELWs and terraformed planets to have city lights. I did find it strange though. Also, if you look at the civilisation filter in the galmap, apparently Shinrarta Dezhra is not part of human civilisat...
Speculates Raxxla may be a floating space object like a derelict Sidewinder or comet similar to Zuara or Radio Lave, possibly located in Shinratra Dezhra but difficult to locate without systematic exploration.
if its been in the game before horizons, then its not planet based and like the zuara or radio lave, probably a sidewinder lost in space with some narrative about raxxla. Tionisla graveyard isn't there yet, just a tourist beacon. So I dont think it will be much, like a voyager, some object floating around, like a comet, perhaps in shinatra dezhra, although how on earth (or in space) one fins it, who knows, take a long distance random trip in shinatra and hope for the best. if its been in the game before horizons, then its not planet based and like the zuara or radio lave, probably a sidewinder lost in space with some narrative about raxxla. Tionisla graveyard isn't there yet, just a tourist beacon. So I dont think it will be much, like a voyager, some object floating around, like a come...
Raxxla is hypothesized as the interior or inverted perspective of Founder's World, inhabited by underground-dwelling aliens. Raxxla described as 'a place that is not a place' requiring entrance discovery.
It would be interesting if it turned out that the Founders are actually an alien race and "their" world is actually Raxxla ... Click to expand... Like I said, they are alien, they live underground (no lights), Raxxla is the Founders World seen from the inside (a place that is not a place). Looking for the entrance ...
Theory that Founders (The Club) are Guardian AI, with key figures like Denton Patreus and LYR as cyborgs controlling the Pilots Federation. Founders World could be Raxxla itself, and permit-locked sectors are under their control.
This tourist beacon in Shinrarta Dhezra gives the most info regarding The Founders World that I've found: Spoiler http://i.Please use another image host/d1ioCdO.jpg It doesn't provide a reason why the planet was named "The Founders World" nor who exactly the "Founders" are (again, I know who the Founders are out-of-game. I'm talking in-game narrative.) It would be interesting if it turned out that the Founders are actually an alien race and "their" world is actually Raxxla ... Click to expand... [tinfoil] Ricardo Bentonio has been telling us all along: The founders (Club) were (still are) the Guardian AI, so Denton Patreus and LYR are cyborgs controlling the Pilots Federation, hence all the locked sectors. Zemina Torval is a lizard in human skinsuit and Aryssa is another clone...
When filtering Galaxy Map by civilization type, Shinrarta Dezhra shows no classification (not white for human, green for thargoid, or blue for guardian) despite having population and being inhabited. This is unique and anomalous compared to other systems.
Tin foil hats on! If you set your filters in Galaxy Map for civilisations all human systems will be white, thargoids green and guardian blue. Now look at Shinrarta and tell what do you see? Couse I see NONE and ppl are living there. Even HIP 22460 has human civilisation with population 0. So what the heck is wrong with Shinrarta? Not even alien? No other system like that.
No satellites found in Unidentified Signal Sources near Founder's World, suggesting either no habitation or high privacy/security measures. Tourist beacon indicates elite Pilots Federation members retire there in anonymity.
Spent some time around Founders World yesterday, expecting to find satellite's in USS'; did not see any. Could mean a couple of things: 1) Nobody is down there or 2) They're very protective of their privacy. Click to expand... Doesn't one of the tourist beacons say something about Elite members of the Pilots Federation being allowed to retire to the Founder's World in anonymity? I'd go with "protective of their privacy". You've killed thousands of people's relatives during your time in space. Last thing you want when you retire is be hunted down by some kid looking to avenge his daddy. ...Curious though. Why is it called "The Founders World"? I mean ... I get why it is called that due to the Kickstarter and Founders getting free access at launch but what is the in-game narrative reason...
Founder's World may be tidally locked, explaining absence of city lights on dark side. Procedurally generated tidally locked worlds show lights but Founder's World appears hand-designed, making the absent lights suspicious and potentially meaningful.
Dropped a bug report about that a couple weeks ago to see where that leads. Well, kinda believe thats a bug but, we will see. Click to expand... Is the Founder's World tidally locked? If so then that might explain a lack of city lights. If the dark side is a frozen wasteland of perpetual darkness ... who would want to live there? Of course ... some other tidally locked Earth-like worlds DO lights on the dark side but I'm guessing that this is due to procedural generation. Surely Shinrarta Dhezra was designed and not generated procedurally. It always bothers me when I see city lights on a tidally locked Earth-like.
Tourist beacon in Shinrarta Dhezra references The Founders World but provides no in-game narrative explanation. Theory suggests the Founders might be an alien race and their world could actually be Raxxla.
This tourist beacon in Shinrarta Dhezra gives the most info regarding The Founders World that I've found: Spoiler http://i.Please use another image host/d1ioCdO.jpg It doesn't provide a reason why the planet was named "The Founders World" nor who exactly the "Founders" are (again, I know who the Founders are out-of-game. I'm talking in-game narrative.) It would be interesting if it turned out that the Founders are actually an alien race and "their" world is actually Raxxla ... Click to expand... WHAT is it with the Cobra, I understand its the classic ship, but in much of the lore, the Cobra is front and centre. Even in The Dark Wheel Novella it states ''But there are ghosts there. The ghosts of the early ships that went in to Faraway, and didn't come out again. Ghosts . . . And s...
Founders World has 42-day rotation (21 days continuous darkness), sparse 85 million population, and minimal city lights despite Earth-like status. Suggests it may be unusual enough to hide Raxxla or serve as analog for similar anomalous worlds.
Some additional thoughts regarding Shinrarta Dhezra and the Founders World. The Founders World is NOT tidally locked but it does have a pretty slow rotation. One day on the Founders World is equal to 42 days on Earth. That's 21 Earth-days spent in perpetual darkness. The population of the entire system is around 85 million. No telling just how many of those 85 million are down on the surface of the Founders World but with such a sparse population there might not be any major cities down there so that might explain that lack of city lights. Need to find an analogous system with a similarly small population and an Earth-like world and see what the city lights look like in that system.
Akkadia system has 1.18M population on tidally-locked ELW (Remo Burkhard) with NO visible city lights, unlike other tidally-locked worlds (e.g., Okinura). Comparable anomaly to Founders World.
Akkadia system. Population: 1,184,821 Earth-like-world: Remo Burkhard Visible city lights: NONE EDIT: Planet is tidally locked. Could be that no civilization exists on the dark side. Note though that there are other tidally locked planets that do have city lights on the dark side (Reference the Okinura system).
Systematic comparison of ELW systems with similar populations to Founders World (85M+) to determine if city lights are visible. Tested systems show light signatures; Founders World absence remains anomalous.
Good idea, it's testable I think Jameson is an Orbis isn't it? With the hab rings? https://eddb.io/system/4959 has an Ocellus (iirc 2nd largest type) and literally no-other settlements and a pop of 616k. Orbis is bigger, so until we can find a similar system with just one it'll be hard to tell, but assume 1-2million. There's no way that more than 1mill people live in the other bases in-system combined, I'd be stunned if the number was larger than a few thousand at the other bases. Even being very conservative it still leaves around 80mill+ "living" on Founder's World. Just doing a quick check through EDSM: https://eddb.io/system/12173 - ELW system, 53mill pop https://eddb.io/system/189 - ELW 150mill pop https://eddb.io/system/4819 - ELW system, 1.7mill pop https://eddb.io/system/64...
Founders World settlement may be underground, consistent with secrecy culture. Underground cities would hide city lights from orbit while preserving advanced facilities.
... ... 3. The surface population might be so widely dispersed that no single settlement produces enough light to be visible from orbit. Click to expand... 4. For whatever reason, city/ies is built underground. Unlikely but consistent with their love for secrecy and best way to keep secret the fact that they indeed have secrets. After all, what we "know" about them is perhaps just what they want us to know. I suspect, just like in my RP character's universe, that they are much more than we think. Vast underground cities and tech facilities... Ok ok oookaaayy ..Tinfoil hat out ! What are the most mysterious or suspicious Independent factions? We all know about Sirius and TDW, but who else? Factions we haven't gotten anywhere with but they seem suspect. Click to expand... Jorki's...
Population of 85 million distributed across multiple stations (Jameson Memorial, Gallun's Inheritance, Jameson Base, Neumann Camp, Puleston Arsenal). Missing city lights may be explained by single settlement location or population distributed across other bases rather than surface.
Back to Raxxla though; I'm still not convinced that the missing city lights on The Founders World is a big deal. The population of the entire system is pretty small; just 85 million (and that includes those living at Jameson Memorial and the other facilities in the system). There are quite a few possible explanations for the missing lights: 1. The entire population on The Founders World may be located at a single settlement. Since the length of a day is 42 earth days you may simply be viewing the planet when that settlement is not on the dark side. 2. The planetary population might be nomadic in order to avoid spending 21 days in total darkness. 3. The surface population might be so widely dispersed that no single settlement produces enough light to be visible from orbit. Click to ex...
Founders World has sea-level oxygen equivalent to 20,000 feet Earth altitude, causing rapid hypoxia. Earth-likes without visible lights may correlate with inhospitable atmospheric conditions, suggesting Founders World's extreme environment is intentional.
Epsilon Eridani system. Population: 80,000,000 Earth-like-world: New California Visible city lights: NONE EDIT: Planet is tidally locked. Still not a good Founders World analog. Click to expand... Founder's world sea level oxygen level is the equivalent of 20,000 feet on Earth. Most people would die from hypoxia, rather quickly too. Maybe the ELW's that don't have lights are in some way inhospitable? Edit again 2.3 x pressure,,maybe is breathable,,,lotta variables
Proposes Founders World cities are built underground rather than on surface, explaining absence of observable city lights despite 80 million population via Occam's Razor principle.
I tell you they are troglodytes ... Occam's razor always rules. Cities are underground.
Analysis identifies Founders World's unusual traits: month-long night cycles, ~80 million population with no visible lights, abnormal surface oxygen and high pressure unsuitable for surface habitation. These factors suggest the planet was chosen for non-standard reasons.
LHS 1245 Pop: 5,069,172 ELW: LHS 1246 1 Rot Period: 36.2 D Too many lights. Click to expand... If there's lights on a planet with 5million people, then that surely means that either the lights aren't related to planetary populations in a strict way, or that they are, but Founders World is exempt? Both of those results are pretty good aren't they? Based on the picture that seems to be building up, Founders is a very odd planet. - A month of night time. - Approx 80million population, no observable lights - Surface oxygen oddities that might siggest it's not a good place to live/possible to live there - High surface pressure might siggest it's not a good place to live/possible to live there Again I do wonder why the PF would pick a planet like that? Given that (in theory) they p...
Dark Wheel symbol and Raxxla footpedal artifact both depict 3 planets of different sizes. Shinratra Dezhra also contains 3 different-sized planets forming similar configuration, suggesting Raxxla system has this distinctive 3-planet structure.
After a little digging and research, I’m convinced that the system that contains Raxxla has 3 planets. There are two sources for this: the main source is The Dark Wheel symbol. It has 3 planets, each a different size, located within one of the rings on the symbol. They are out of place with the rest of the symbol, and really stood out to me. The second confirmation of 3 planets is this old picture of a Raxxla footpedal, that has 3 planets, each of different size, and a picture of a constellation. There is also a bright star on that picture. Note that the Shinrarta Dehzra System also has 3 different sized planets not really connected to any star, but the star can be seen in the distance. This info seemed to be a noteworthy piece of the puzzle, but maybe I’m just late to the party. A couple...
Proposes testing if Unknown Artifacts interact with Encoded/Degraded USS, Datamined wake exceptions, and eccentric hyperspace trajectories in Shinratra Dezhra, given its Dark Wheel/Pilots Federation connections and anomalous signature data.
Another thing i haven't tried out yet and don't know if any1 did, is try to bring a UA in Shinratra Dezhra and locate a Encoded or degraded USS. I want to sse if UA interact with Datamined wake exceptions or Eccentric hyperspace tranjectories there . The basis here is that ship wrecks related to scanning eccentric hyperspace tranjectories, anomalous FSD telemetries, and weird wake exceptions to a system in which The Dark Wheel and Pilots Federation have so much influence and its already a candidate might not be a coincidense.
The 'Founders World Permit' is uniquely named after a specific planet rather than its parent system (Shinrarta Dezra), distinguishing it from all other known system permits. This anomaly may indicate intentional design or deeper mystery.
Not strictly speaking. You can access the Shinrarta Dezra system once you attain elite rank in any discipline. The Founders World planet is still inaccessible until, presumably, atmospheric landings are introduced. Click to expand... Well ... strictly speaking you're issued the "Founders World Permit" not the Shinrarta Dezra permit but you are quite right in stating that we can't quite access the Founder World at the moment. I hadn't really given it much thought but it does kind of make this permit pretty unique. Are there any other system permits that are named for a single planet inside that system and not for the system name itself?
Hypothesis that Raxxla may be located within Shinrarta Dezra system, either as the Founders World planet itself or among other celestial bodies therein. Extensive previous searches have reportedly found nothing, suggesting either thorough elimination or hidden nature of any anomalies.
You can access the Founders World by reaching Elite in any of the four disciplines (Combat, Trade, Exploration, CQC). Click to expand... Not strictly speaking. You can access the Shinrarta Dezra system once you attain elite rank in any discipline. The Founders World planet is still inaccessible until, presumably, atmospheric landings are introduced. So if SD is where Raxxla is located then Raxxla may be Founders World, or it may be any of the other celestial bodies therein. But this hypothesis has been floating around for so long that I’m sure every SD celestial body has been minutely examined and the system deep space has been searched many times for hidden or wandering objects with no success being reported. The only wandering body reported that I remember was the mysterious asteroid...
Theory that landing on Shinrarta Dezra from multiple orbital angles, speeds, or while carrying specific cargo (SAP 8 core containers) might trigger a hidden event or discovery related to Raxxla.
Do you know, Doc, if at that time the "Shinrarta Dezra" name was already implemented in the game? It may have come later ? Click to expand... Naming the Founders World system was a Kickstarter reward so, yes. The name has been around since the game first entered beta. Did someone really try to land ? I mean thoroughly, from many different spots of the orbit... different angles, speed, etc (hauling SAP 8 core conts?) ? I don't say we may land on an atmospheric, but it could trigger something. Click to expand... I haven't personally though it is on my to do list.
The Talmore Lenses monuments are positioned at specific coordinates aiming toward Raxxla's location. The 'Lens Bearer' monument at Synuefe UY-R B34-0 4a (coordinates -49.1828 / 167.9941) may provide trilateration data to pinpoint Raxxla.
pointing to Raxxla Perhaps our focus should be on The Talmore Lenses. They are in different places aiming at Raxxla. -THE LENS BEARER- Standing alone in honor of those incredible few who devoted their entire lives to the keeping of the lens. Coordinates: -49.1828 / 167.9941 SYNUEFE UY-R B34-0 4a
The telescope/antenna at Neumann Camp in Shinrarta Dezhra consistently aims toward the Col 70 region, suggesting intentional directional targeting that may relate to Raxxla's location.
Did you try some trilateration ? Btw, did someone try to find if the Telescope/Antena at Puleston Arsenal (or is it at Neumann Camp ?) keeps aiming always at the same point? Click to expand... It’s Neumann Camp. I’ve not checked myself (haven’t got access) but IIRC Genar-Hofoen had said that it always pointed towards Col 70.
The Talmore Lenses are positioned at different locations aiming at Raxxla; one lens peak at coordinates -49.1828 / 167.9941 in SYNUEFE UY-R B34-0 4a may point toward Raxxla's location.
Perhaps our focus should be on The Talmore Lenses. They are in different places aiming at Raxxla. -THE LENS BEARER- Standing alone in honor of those incredible few who devoted their entire lives to the keeping of the lens. Coordinates: -49.1828 / 167.9941 SYNUEFE UY-R B34-0 4a Click to expand... What's the link between this body and the Lenses? I get the suggestion that the peak might point to Raxxla (though, unless it's tidally locked, it's going to point at a lot of things) but why this body in particular? Are there others? The Alien World is available used on Amazon quite cheaply. Yes I did
Neumann Camp in Shinrata Dezhra contains an AR-9 antenna that points toward Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3, correlating with Unknown Probe transmissions that measure distance from this sector.
What is the significance of Neumann Camp? The one in Shinrata De? Click to expand... There’s an AR-9 antenna there that IIRC always points in the Col 70 direction. AFAIK it was discovered prior to the discovery that the Unknown Probes transmit their distance from Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3.
Shinrarta Dezhra AB 2 h is tidally locked with 68.5 day orbital period; the antenna dish can track Col 70 for approximately 34.25 days every other month, suggesting periodic observational significance.
Shinrarta Dezhra AB 2 h (Neumann Camp) is tidally locked with an orbital period of 68.5 days so, assuming the dish can track from horizon to horizon, it will have Col 70 in view for about 34.25 days and then 34.25 days off. About a month every other month, right?
Body SD AB 2 F A- features unusual -86 degree orbital inclination on outer rim. Landing revealed derelict Anaconda with unidentified symbol and system security ships present, but no Raxxla indicators found.
Been looking around SD AB 2 F A- it's the only landable body on "the outer rim" with a suspicious orbital inclination (-86 degrees), but can't see anything much of interest (when I first went down to land I found 3 landed system security ships plus 3 more airborne but they showed no interest in me) apart from a derelict Annaconda with a hawk/Eagle symbol - hope this isn't Raxxla! (no announcement, no name visible!) - though a ship would be "a gateway to alien worlds" but this was uninspiring! https://Please use another image host/yPh4FnU., https://Please use another image host/KRtdZWN Click to expand... Anacondas with the Faulcon DeLacy logo are quite common. Have you tried to listen to the planet, from space? You know, silent song of the spheres and findable before planetary landin...
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