darkwheeldarkwheelMultiple historical references, timeline calculations, and old lore (Oolite saga) connect Raxxla to Lave system, possibly on a moon or hidden location. Distance calculations from Lave to Shinrarta Dezhra suggest viable navigation corridors.
Original theorist: Lori Jameson -- View original post
Raxxla may be located in Shinrarta Dezhra but positioned so far from the primary star that it's beyond scanner range, similar to Hutton Orbital. Navigation toward Lave or Tionisla from Shinrarta could reveal it.
Placing Raxxla in Shinrarta Dezhra would fit with the Elite requirement. However, I haven't seen it there Could it be so far out in the system that it's invisible to the scanner?, perhaps just like Voyager you have to get close to see it. Considering Hutton Orbital, long (and close to an infinite number) trek's in Shinrarta Dezhra could be ahead. Obvious directions would be to target systems like Lave, Tionisla, etc. to begin with and then just keep going... Click to expand... Let's look at history first. Between 2303 and 2803 where was humanity at with space travel? Moreover, what timeline's do we have? - - - Updated - - - Namely anything about modular spacecraft and Lave.
Based on timeline analysis (2752 AD: Lave starport established, modular craft popularized), a distance calculation between Lave and Shinrarta Dezhra (57.6 ly) suggests Raxxla's location may be 30.5-53.6 ly from known reference points.
Hmm. 2300's were the Federation Vs Empire conflict. 2752 Lave got it's first starport and Modular Craft popularizes in production. So, between 2100 (hyperspace development) and Lave getting all official we have a timeline. - - - Updated - - - Recalculating distances... 30.5ly - 53.6ly minimum.
Raxxla may be a mobile structure that has moved since last documented sighting near Lave in 2752, traveling at approximately 10% light speed. Current location could be 4-9.75 ly from Shinrarta Dezhra.
Considering Shinrarta's distance from Lave is 57.6 (?)ly this puts us in the ballpark. Deviations may result due to Raxxla having a more efficient way of travel. - - - Updated - - - Unless Raxxla's been moving again... Oh, no. No, no NO! This is why they were trying to re-find something! It went awol. It makes sense now. They are literally trying to track down clues about it's origins to find it again. Great. Who dropped the cosmic car key?
Reference to older Oolite saga lore suggesting Raxxla was on a moon in Lave, though author questions if still canon in current Elite Dangerous.
Think the bubble is a good place to start the search; however, if Raxxla is located in the bubble in plain sight, then wouldn't it have been found already? Click to expand... wasn't it supposed to be on a moon in Lave? edit: old lore maybe and now not canon?
Speculation that a permit-locked moon in Lave system could be Raxxla, especially given old lore references to Lave.
wasn't it supposed to be on a moon in Lave? edit: old lore maybe and now not canon? Click to expand... Where's that info from? (Don;t remember the old lore). Theres a permit locked moon in Lave i think right? You think that's Raxxla?
Based on Dark Wheel lore, Raxxla could be a planet within the bubble near historical Lave/Leesti area, undetectable by standard pings, only visible when flying very close to it, possibly way out of system plane.
Just reread the Dark Wheel, haven't done that is i read it back when i was a wee lad when our school got it for the lone BBC Model B we had. Made me think again about this whole thing. Some things came to mind. In the novel, Raxxla is meant to be a planet. Regardless of what Ian Bell says, if its a planet, it can exist. Maybe he was referring to the alledged gateway to other universes which unless FD have been sneaky, there are no other universes/galaxies/regions. The novel referes to humands and sentient alien races living side by side. This is not in line with ED canon. Therefore whatever was in the Dark Wheel is open to revision, including the nature of Raxxla. Therefore again, making Ian Bell's statement redundant. Considering the limitations of drives back in that era (which does ...
Suggestion to fly from Earth toward Lave as search vector, given Earth's importance to humanity and Lave's significance to original Elite, with low-speed flight protocols for anomaly detection.
Make sure you're not flying faster than 2-300L/PS. You only have a 1000 LS detection capability to detect an anomaly if you're looking for anything within the normal 'surprise' mechanisms. Same as with the Voyagers. That should give you 3-4 seconds to detect it and slow down before it's gone again. Click to expand... Maybe starting at Earth and flying in the direction of Lave might reveal something? Earth being the most important planet to humanity and Lave being the most important planet to old-school Elite fans.
Kaya Michiyu speculates that emphasis on 'Plane' (from potential developer hint) and 'Abyssal Plain' both point to Lave, with Raxxla possibly being dismissed as 'insane' yet real.
Hilariously searching for "Plane" instantly points to Lave: meanwhile engineering my new exploration vessel.... such a chore. Speaking of "Plane" *Stares at the Abyssal Plain" You know... people claiming the existence of Raxxla being called insane... Abyss? Anyone?... no?
HexCube theorizes Raxxla may be or have been a moon of Lave at some point in history, or exists in non-standard orbital configuration.
Hilariously searching for "Plane" instantly points to Lave: meanwhile engineering my new exploration vessel.... such a chore. Speaking of "Plane" *Stares at the Abyssal Plain" You know... people claiming the existence of Raxxla being called insane... Abyss? Anyone?... no? Click to expand... Maybe it isn't hilarious, but a reference to Raxxla being a moon of Lave? At least at some point, or, depending on the accuracy of some of the information, a moon of Lave at certain times only?
Kaya Michiyu references an unspecified quote about 'core of the problem,' linking it to the theory that Raxxla may have escaped Lave's orbit.
Maybe it isn't hilarious, but a reference to Raxxla being a moon of Lave? At least at some point, or, depending on the accuracy of some of the information, a moon of Lave at certain times only? Click to expand... Exactly: which always makes me think of the line we weren't looking at the "core of the problem"
HexCube develops theory that Raxxla may have originated as a moon of Lave, escaped due to being the source of FSD/FTL technology, and traveled 1000+ ly in ~1000 years.
Exactly: which always makes me think of the line we weren't looking at the "core of the problem" Click to expand... Well, the problem happens to be that if it were a moon of Lave, that happened to escape orbit, due to the fact that some theories suggest it may have been the source for FSD/FTL tech, does not necessarily limit the search area to within 1000ly of Lave (1000ly, as if it was traveling slower than, or at the speed of light, 1000 or so years have passed, to my knowledge, since it escaped) You mentioned the Abyssal Plain before, I'm out exploring now, headed towards Colonia, but going to SagA, and Beagle Point afterwards, however, is it worth detouring to the Abyssal Plain to check for clues pertaining to Raxxla?
Kaya Michiyu suggests the Abyssal Plain may warrant exploration for Raxxla-related clues, similar to Formidine Rift investigations.
Well the thing is as with the Formidine Rift, etc. We do not know if it's "worth" the effort to explore there. I honestly find any exploration trip worth the trip. now if I could just get my FSD roll juuuuust right; then I will join the search again.
Emergency drop attempts reveal variable push-back distances (ranging from immediate to 0.10Mm minimum), with behavior independent of approach angle. Suggests not a fast-moving object but an artificial distance-blocking mechanism.
difficult to tell, as not enough reference points. I experimented for over 30 mins trying to get close. You get within about 15Mm then stick there. increasing throttle gets you closer but then you stick again, repeat until about 6.6Mm away then can't get any nearer. My ship will not allow me to increase throttle any more once at minimum distance. Click to expand... Exactly what I experienced. If you go far enough away and come in at full throttle, then make an emergency stop, you can get close, but it immediately pushes you out again. Interestingly, in the attempts I made it never seemed consistent how quickly I'd get pushed away (sometimes almost straight back to 22Mm, once hanging on at 0.10Mm for a few seconds before crawling back). Whatever angle you take, and whether you're in su...
The asteroid field is being hauled at a velocity of 1.36 million meters per second by an invisible, non-solid object. Successful emergency drop achieved within 1Mm range, but the driving force remains undetected and cannot collide with ships.
Something is definitely hauling the Castellan Belt Cluster 2 along at 1.36Mm/s. The belt cannot be locked and jumped into like other locations from the Nav Tab. I managed to get within 1Mm range and then emergency drop, but without a Safe disengage ready message. Whatever object is driving the belt is also ghost-like, i.e. no face planting emergencies happened. [video=youtube;sBuJQUHixjM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBuJQUHixjM[/video]
Proposed investigation of Castellan Belt Cluster 2 & 4 in Lave, obtaining permit for Lave 2, and creating star map from Shinrarta Dezhra perspective for unknown stars discovery.
Sounds good, anything else? Click to expand... I have a couple of things on my todo list: Map the orbits of Castellan Belt Cluster 2 & 4 in Lave Obtain a permit for Lave 2 Create a star map of every star as seen from Shinrarta Dezhra Then travel in-system in SC towards all unknown stars
Proposes mapping orbits of Castellan Belt Cluster 2 & 4 in Lave and obtaining a permit for Lave 2 as part of systematic investigation. Also suggests creating star map from Shinrarta Dezhra perspective to identify unknown stars.
I have a couple of things on my todo list: Map the orbits of Castellan Belt Cluster 2 & 4 in Lave Obtain a permit for Lave 2 Create a star map of every star as seen from Shinrarta Dezhra Then travel in-system in SC towards all unknown stars Click to expand... What we actually know about Raxxla is very minimal ... most of it comes from Holdstock's The Dark Wheel. Click to expand... So in your opinion " a certain celestial body, the key which is also the door, a place which isn't a place, the myth" is not "obfuscated in the outer rim " ? These are the only things we know for sure in E: D about Raxxla. And they come all together in the same "clue". (I would add the " tiny little bit obvious" thing being the connection with TDW )
Castellan Belt Cluster 2 moves at 1.36 Mm/s, cannot be locked and jumped to normally, and responds differently to standard navigation—suggests unknown object or anomalous physics.
Something is definitely hauling the Castellan Belt Cluster 2 along at 1.36Mm/s. The belt cannot be locked and jumped into like other locations from the Nav Tab. I managed to get within 1Mm range and then emergency drop, but without a Safe disengage ready message. Whatever object is driving the belt is also ghost-like, i.e. no face planting emergencies happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBuJQUHixjM Click to expand... Made it in. Nothing exciting to report I’m afraid.
Both The Dark Wheel and CIEP contain circular references in their nomenclature. Dark matter halos spread from galactic center; this may relate to witchspace as speedier tunnels across the galaxy.
Both The Dark Wheel and CIEP have circular references in their names. A dark matter halo spreads out from the galactic centre in the Milky Way. Witch space? Speedier tunnels to other parts of galaxy? The whole INRA and The Club thread in ED I feel has more purpose with relation to Raxxla. Other than the beacon in Soontill is there more lore on CIEP?
The former Soontil Relics missions from The Dark Wheel faction (now removed/bugged) likely contain essential information for finding Raxxla. Answer may be in the Founding Permit.
Perhaps the Dark Wheel really simply wishes to gather these pseudo-elites in one place and resolve the inconsistency? Shadowy arm of Pilots Federation... Click to expand... '... It's more akin of affiliation of organisations that share common goals. ...' Alessia Verdi, in 'The founding of the Children of Raxxla' But in the end I am compiling what I know and writing it down to see if maybe there was something so insanely obvious in there. But the bottom line is I would put money on the fact that it is staring us right in the face. Click to expand... Imho, it seems clear the "not-insanely-but-tiny-bit-obvious-thing " is the presence of TDW faction in the game and it's former Soontil Relics missions, eventually bugged and actually removed. I bet everything we need is in the FP. Macro...
The lore book 'And Here The Wheel' contains key clues about Raxxla. The discovery of Soontil within this story may be a fundamental component to understanding Raxxla's location or nature.
My Theory (Tin Foil Hattery Ahead!) My Search and My Thoughts So I am still reading through this thread (on Page 18 at the time of writing this) but there are many things that have been bugging me about Raxxla. It is right infront of us but is hard to find. It is a place that isn't a place. All these lore messages but what if perhaps it is just something we are overlooking. Now I have to label some of this as a spoiler because I am using And Here The Wheel and later events in the story as a basis. I have a couple of theories some are thin....very thin and others a bits of information that I have learned. Now for some things that I have thought of. Spoiler In And Here The Wheel some strange things happened. The finding of Soontil is one of the key components in this story So what d...
Soontil and Raxxla may be closely related or potentially the same entity, warranting further investigation into the relationship between these two mysterious locations.
The more I read up on this the more I think its a wormhole, black hole or something related to witch space. Thus 'a place that's not a place." This also fits 'a door that's also THE key.' I also suspect that soontill and raxxla are either closely related or the same thing. I tried tracing exploration expansion but that went nowhere. Now I have the feeling initial Thargoid meeting locations and surrounds might be best bet.
The INRA and The Club threads in ED lore appear to have deeper purpose regarding Raxxla beyond the beacon found in Soontill. Further investigation needed into CIEP lore.
Both The Dark Wheel and CIEP have circular references in their names. A dark matter halo spreads out from the galactic centre in the Milky Way. Witch space? Speedier tunnels to other parts of galaxy? The whole INRA and The Club thread in ED I feel has more purpose with relation to Raxxla. Other than the beacon in Soontill is there more lore on CIEP?
Official 3.0 patch notes state Lave 2 inhabitants abandoned settlements after being isolated by planet's permit restriction, confirming deliberate in-universe explanation for access blockade.
Lave 2 is locked off for reasons related to Allen Stroud's Lave Revolution. It has nothing to do with Raxxla or Drew's Oolite Saga. Click to expand... Speaking of Lave 2, did everyone spot this in the 3.0 patch notes: "The inhabitants of Lave 2 have moved on after being isolated by their planet's permit and their settlements have been dismantled, so missions should no longer target this planet"?
Lave 2 proposed as possible Raxxla location, though specific reasoning not provided in post.
Could it possibly be something in Lave 2?
Lave/Raxxla connection in Drew Wagar's Oolite fan fiction (where Lave's moon was Raxxla) is from a different game universe and shouldn't be applied to Elite: Dangerous lore.
Could it possibly be something in Lave 2? Click to expand... Highly unlikely. The Lave/Raxxla connection is drawn from Drew Wagar's Oolite fan fiction. In the "Oolite Universe" Lave's moon was Raxxla but that is an entirely different game universe then Elite: Dangerous.
Soontil Relics may indicate Soontil as Raxxla and/or early Thargoid civilization site. Peregrina system (plague system) was associated with human-Thargoid conspiracy base. Polaris and Mars alien relic are unexplored connections.
Don't forget Soontil Relics, and the possibility of Soontil as Raxxla and/or early Thargoid civilization, and the old "plague" system Peregrina aka human-Thargoid conspiracy base. Among other stuff that has never adequately been explored/explained in game. Not to mention Polaris. Oh and the Mars alien relic. Click to expand... What's this about a Mars Relic? I've heard of the Butt on Mercury, but no relic.
Suggestion to search near Lave as center point due to older technology range limitations in 3301 and observation that explorers typically skip distant stars (50-100k LS+), meaning most remote systems remain unsurveyed.
I've been following the Raxxla story (so to speak) since 3301, and finally have something that may help. 1) Technology was older, so we should first think of that. It was theoretically fairly close to Lave - Old FSD didn't have the range we do now, and the bubble was smaller, so I would recommend starting a new search with Lave as the center. 2) Possibility of player(s) having gone through the system that contains Raxxla. My first thought here is from my last exploration trip. I would often skip heading out to explore planets and stars if they were over 50-100,000LS away from entry. And judging from my findings while exploring (where I'd estimate that 80% of systems that I visited with these far flung stars only had the closest ones surveyed.) a TON of other explorers also follow this MO...
In Drew Wagar's Oolite fan fiction, Raxxla was a moon of Lave 2 with the ability to disappear into hyperspace. A bug in Elite Dangerous prevented landing on one of Lave 2's moons/asteroids, potentially hiding this mechanic.
In Drew Wagar’s Oolite series of fan fiction (not canon for E D!) Raxxla was a moon of Lave 2 that had the ability to disappear into hyperspace. It disappeared! Also in E D there was a bug that prevented you from landing at one of the moons (or was it an asteroid?). Click to expand... I think the codex puts Raxxla way earlier than Lave or any of the original Elite or The Dark Wheel(the book) events.
The author of 'Lave Revolution' requested Fdev to permit-lock Lave 2 for an unknown reason. Some CMDRs claim Lave 2 either was, is, or replaced Raxxla, though the book itself contains no explicit Raxxla references discovered to date.
Ok! A few Things: 1). Whats the deal with Lave 2? Every now and again i see it mentioned along with the Raxxla mystery by some CMDRs. As though its somehow connected. Yet i've never found anything that suggests it has anything to do with it. I know that the author of "Lave Revolution" requested Fdev to permit lock the planet for some reason. I read that whole book and found nothing. I've read somewhere else from one CMDR that Lave 2 ether was, is, or replaced Raxxla, according to them. Was Lave 2 connected to the Raxxla mystery in some book i haven't read? 2). When mentioning Raxxla possibly being close to the bubble, there seem to be something that gets continually forgotten: THE QUIRIUM DRIVES EXISTED! http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperdrive#cite_note-:0-2 & https://community....
The author of 'Lave Revolution' requested Fdev to permit-lock Lave 2 for an unknown reason. Some CMDRs claim Lave 2 either was, is, or replaced Raxxla, though the book itself contains no explicit Raxxla references discovered to date.
Ok! A few Things: 1). Whats the deal with Lave 2? Every now and again i see it mentioned along with the Raxxla mystery by some CMDRs. As though its somehow connected. Yet i've never found anything that suggests it has anything to do with it. I know that the author of "Lave Revolution" requested Fdev to permit lock the planet for some reason. I read that whole book and found nothing. I've read somewhere else from one CMDR that Lave 2 ether was, is, or replaced Raxxla, according to them. Was Lave 2 connected to the Raxxla mystery in some book i haven't read? 2). When mentioning Raxxla possibly being close to the bubble, there seem to be something that gets continually forgotten: THE QUIRIUM DRIVES EXISTED! http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperdrive#cite_note-:0-2 & https://community....
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