darkwheeldarkwheelSystematic visual identification of the Dark Wheel station through Codex screenshot analysis, requiring close orbital reconnaissance of candidate moons rather than scanner detection. Search focuses on red giant/supergiant systems with specific stellar properties and gas giant configurations.
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Dark Wheel faction strongly connected to Raxxla through multiple in-game missions. Mission delivery messages mention maps and coordinates with unknown context, suggesting systematic data collection.
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Mission 'Dark Wheel Seeks Diplomats For Discreet Delivery' delivers Trinkets of Hidden Fortune to build trust with Dark Wheel. Dark Wheel sends data crystals via faction for decoding, suggesting collaborative intelligence gathering.
Mission: Dark Wheel Seeks Diplomats For Discreet Delivery Mission: Dark Wheel Seeks Diplomats For Discreet Delivery (Sealing The Deal). Summary: Deliver Trinkets Of Hidden Fortune to station. Appears to be a trust building mission. Dark Wheel will send data crystal to faction, hoping the faction has better luck decoding the data. Messenger feels they are missing something? Spoiler Upon delivery: Spoiler http://i.Please use another image host/NDL9hZu.png Mission: Dark Wheel Seeks Diplomats For Discreet Delivery (Sealing The Deal). | From System | Station | Faction | To System | Station | Faction | # | Reward | Date | Naits | McDivitt Orbital | Syndicate Of Naits | LTT 16456 | Cabrera Port | | 3 | 237,585 | 24 aug 3301 16:56 | Naits | McDivitt Orbital | Syndicate Of Naits | Mar...
Detailed mission logs showing Trinket deliveries across diverse systems (Naits, Mariyacoch, Ticushpakhi, etc.), establishing pattern of Dark Wheel faction coordination across galactic regions.
Mission: Dark Wheel Seeks Diplomats For Discreet Delivery Mission: Dark Wheel Seeks Diplomats For Discreet Delivery (Sealing The Deal). Summary: Deliver Trinkets Of Hidden Fortune to station. Appears to be a trust building mission. Dark Wheel will send data crystal to faction, hoping the faction has better luck decoding the data. Messenger feels they are missing something? Spoiler Upon delivery: Spoiler http://i.Please use another image host/NDL9hZu.png Mission: Dark Wheel Seeks Diplomats For Discreet Delivery (Sealing The Deal). | From System | Station | Faction | To System | Station | Faction | # | Reward | Date | Naits | McDivitt Orbital | Syndicate Of Naits | LTT 16456 | Cabrera Port | | 3 | 237,585 | 24 aug 3301 16:56 | Naits | McDivitt Orbital | Syndicate Of Naits | Mar...
Dark Wheel minor faction confirmed operating at Founders World (permit-locked), providing 'Answering the Call of Adventure' missions. Raises question whether faction name is meaningful or procedurally random.
I'm not entirely convinced these missions themselves are the keys to unlocking something. What they seem to be, however, are hints that this story is heading in that particular direction, in the guise of missions accessible only to the ELITE players - further suggested by The Dark Wheel's association with the Founders World, a system only accessible by ELITE players or certain KS backers - something else might later present itself in time. Click to expand... Yep. I did one of the Answering the Call of Adventure missions yesterday that was actually given to me by the Dark Wheel minor faction at Founders World. So either that minor faction has nothing to do with the actual Dark Wheel other than the name or else these are just procedurally generated and the factions involved are random wit...
Mission providers reveal additional information when visited without required cargo. Dark Wheel mission can have recursive structure (Dark Wheel stealing from Dark Wheel), suggesting complex faction mechanics.
Just to add. I think your Black Budget mission text is incomplete. If you visit the mission provider without the required items you get additional information : Spoiler I don't think any such additional mission text exists for the Elite trader or exploration missions, though I may be wrong. What's more I've had : Spoiler That's The Dark Wheel having me steal from The Dark Wheel then report back to The Dark Wheel. =( Obviously that was given at Shinrarta.
Author investigates Dark Wheel missions including black box retrieval and outer rim data delivery. Documents that minor factions appear to give each mission once, and theorizes that completing all Elite missions for a faction may unlock next mission.
Been sidetracked by the new CG's but not stopped me working on the missions. Me personally am not a paperwork person so dont expect big tables and stats to analyse, i did try for a few missions taking screenshots etc, thinking maybe type and list the factions out etc. but seemed a fruitless task after several dozen missions. Round up of findings so far. i dont have trade or combat elite yet so the sap 8 missions i cant do, leaves the Exploring ones i can. Black box's for Dark wheel turns mission and Outer rim one delivery of data mission. Correct me if wrong on these points. 1. Minor Factions in systems only give each mission once ? Although i will get more of the same mission in system , its then from another faction in that system. I am assuming each minor faction will ne...
Author identifies Dark Wheel diplomatic missions disguised as 'Sealing The Deal' missions and proposes finding which station/faction has completed all 5 missions.
"This is never gonna stop Clay, this challenge will never stop" Yesterday I made progress on 2 fronts; it seems that the black box missions have more to them in the sense that the black boxes actually talk. I recorded 10 mins of apparent noise and black box beacon signal, looked at it in Audacity and boom, I heard a voice apparently saying "This is never gonna stop Clay, this challenge will never stop" repeatedly throughout the stream. So, this means more black box recordings and analysis to see if the recordings have different messages, and hopefully some of them with more meaning than this first one. On the second front, I discovered the Dark Wheel diplomatic missions, actually they had been staring me in the face the whole time disguised as "Sealing The Deal" missions. Dough! This of...
Theory that completing all 6 Dark Wheel missions may unlock information about Raxxla's location. Documents specific mission details including faction names and systems.
the 6 Darkwheel Missions must I do them all onetime to get the information where Raxxla will be Did do the mission, Dark Wheel Seeks Diplomats For Discreet Delivery Apurui, Hereford city to 112049 Adams vision, 178115CR, 3 trinkets, 7-11-2015 15:30 Faction of Mission Protectores Zemina Nostri, Faction of delivery HIP 112049 Travel organization
Follow-up investigation confirms that completing Dark Wheel missions does not directly reveal Raxxla's location, contradicting earlier speculation. Notes no additional location information provided.
the 6 Darkwheel Missions must I do them all onetime to get the information where Raxxla will be Did do the mission, Dark Wheel Seeks Diplomats For Discreet Delivery Apurui, Hereford city to 112049 Adams vision, 178115CR, 3 trinkets, 7-11-2015 15:30 Faction of Mission Protectores Zemina Nostri, Faction of delivery HIP 112049 Travel organization Click to expand... Hi Cmdr, having done a few of the missions myself, I'm no closer to an actual Raxxla location than when I started the missions. And no additional information was given as to the location of Raxxla. The quest continues.
Dark Wheel cannot control Shinrarta Dezhra due to Pilots Federation lock implemented by developers, preventing any faction takeover that would revitalize Dark Wheel missions.
Glad I came across this thread, I have setup a player faction dedicated to seeking out Raxxla. Maybe raising the Dark Wheels influence to become the controlling faction in Founders World may revitalize the missions? Click to expand... People have tried to make the Dark Wheel the controlling faction before (Fact: They were highly successful) but alas, because The Pilots Federation is in said system Frontier has it set up so the Dark Wheel can't take over (Likely because if the Pilots Fed. lost control of their system...well, that's a GalNet war with the DW) unfortunately. Sorry to break it too ya, but the Dark Wheel will never control Dezhra until the Devs allow it, and that also means no expansion.
Discusses attempts to make Dark Wheel controlling faction in Shinrarta Dezhra and potential BGS bugs preventing takeover. Suggests retrying after bug fixes.
People have tried to make the Dark Wheel the controlling faction before (Fact: They were highly successful) but alas, because The Pilots Federation is in said system Frontier has it set up so the Dark Wheel can't take over (Likely because if the Pilots Fed. lost control of their system...well, that's a GalNet war with the DW) unfortunately. Sorry to break it too ya, but the Dark Wheel will never control Dezhra until the Devs allow it, and that also means no expansion. Click to expand... When did they last try? There were several systems over a year ago that seemed impossible to flip and it turned out to be entirely related to bugs in the BGS. It might be worth giving it another try.
Dark Wheel Faction missions in Shinrarta Dezhra contain vague references that may be important to locating Raxxla, though their relevance is uncertain.
I probably dream when I listen to the Josh Hawkins BroCast where Drew was guested ? For those who never listen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvcYNYIQZ8M Drew, in this broadcast, you said that you didn't know where was Raxxla but M. Brooks and D. Braben assured you that it was ingame. You also said in this broadcast that a lonewolf could find Raxxla randomly, that it was findable by brute force method, but the more accurate way to find it was not this method (you said that it was mostly like solving a puzzle than searching a particular object that we'll said : eh, this is Raxxla, look at the USS name). Drew, you said that kind of things few times, on few broadcast (the Josh Hawkins one, the DJ Truthsayer one) and also here, on this forum (I don't have the link now, but everyone can...
Notes that Pilots Federation controls the permit system and has internal closed circles including the Dark Wheel and Circle of Independent Elite Pilots, relevant to Raxxla access mechanisms.
Now to get back on Raxxla, I'd tend to agree on the thinking that it may not be that far out from the core worlds. As Drew mentionned already the planet used to be reachable through old means, as in, the previous FSD technology that required much, much more travelling times than now. On the other hand, it also allowed to jump straight at any celestial bodies coordinates, lest some heavy manual calculations required from the pilot himself. (cf. Luko in Reclamation). Another thing worth of note is that, for a few centuries, Raxxla was orbiting the moon of Lave 2 which, incidentally, appears to be permit-locked right now. It's a fact that the Pilots Federation entirely controls the permit system, and even have its own internal closed circles : The Circle of Independant Elite Pilots, and The...
References vague Dark Wheel faction missions in Shinrarta Dezhra that may contain important Raxxla references. Missions were lost in transition to missions 2.0 system.
There are vague references in missions issued by the Dark Wheel Faction in Shinrarta Dezhra, these may be important, they may not. Click to expand... Those missions were lost with the switch to "missions 2.0". If they are important, any chance you could prod the powers to porting them to the new missions system, and restoring them?
Documents that original Dark Wheel faction missions for Elite level and Founding Members were not ported to missions 2.0 and have been missing for over a year.
There are vague references in missions issued by the Dark Wheel Faction in Shinrarta Dezhra, these may be important, they may not. Click to expand... AFAIK Drew, these original missions for Elite level and "Founding Members of the Elite" haven't been seen for over a year now. They weren't originally ported to the new mission system that arrived with version 1.5/2.0 - I asked about them being missing in a dev live-stream at the time (which I haven't a link for unfortunately) and got an answer to the effect that they hadn't had time to add them... I did later raise a support ticket too but never did get an answer on it, other than "thanks, will chase it up". Maybe you could ask FD / MB if they were important and are still meant to be in the game? It might be they've never been added....
Cites Holdstock's novella defining Dark Wheel as seekers of multiple cosmic mysteries including fabulous cities, parallel worlds, time travellers, and legendary planets beyond just Raxxla.
To be fair ... The Dark Wheel was about more than just Raxxla as well. From Holdstock's novella: The Dark Wheel was a semi-legendary space unit, star-riders who made it their business to seek the truth behind the plethora of myths and romantic stories that filtered back from all corners of the Universe: fabulous cities, parallel worlds, time travellers, even planets that appeared to be the old 'heaven' of Earth legend. The Dark Wheel was as mysterious and as mythical to the traders of the Galaxy as King Arthur might have been to the first spacemen. Click to expand... Fair point and a good reminder What are they up to now...?
Raxxla may be connected to multiple storylines: Jasmina (potential human discoverer), INRA, The Dark Wheel, and Ram Tah's Guardians. Understanding each faction's involvement and last known locations could trace Raxxla's origins and current location.
Hmm. If (Salomè's line of thought = Dynasty + Metadrive) and (Thargoids = Col 70 + Barnicles) then (Raxxla = Jasmina + INRA + The Dark Wheel + Ram Tah's Guardians)? Sounds like 3 seperate lines of story. - - - Updated - - - So. To track down Raxxla we need information on all possible creators and their likely last location.
Dark Wheel at Shinrarta Dezhra gives missions with cryptic references: 'A place that isn't a place' and 'A Door that is also a Key.' These may be metaphorical pointers to Raxxla's nature or location.
I've been tinfoiled hatting with Raxxla a bit lately: There's a few missions given out by the Dark Wheel from Shinrarta Dezra. These missions reference: A place that isn't a place and 'A Door that is also a Key' A place that isn't a place often refers to Home is where the heart is, or simply 'Home' A door that is also a Key, i figured might be a keystone. As it happens there's a keystone in astronomy in the Hercules Sign (which lorewise is related to the tale of Dionysus): Location of the KeyStone: 67 Pi Herculis, Eta Herculis, Zeta Herculis, 58 Epsilon Herculis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_(constellation) when the map is locked on earth and turned at the right angle, you get the keystone image (obviously) So far trying to find a bright star inside the keystone has been p...
Elite: Premonition suggests the Dark Wheel faction at Shinrarta Dezhra may not be the historical Dark Wheel tracing lineage to the Ryder family. This potentially invalidates earlier Dark Wheel mission clues and may 'reset' the Raxxla mystery.
I'm not sure how many of you have read Drew Wagar's latest book Elite: Premonition. The following will be a mild spoiler if you haven't. Spoiler It is indicated within Premonition that The Dark Wheel faction at Shinrarta Dhezra may not be the actual Dark Wheel faction that can trace its lineage through the Ryder family to the quest of Raxxla. If that is the case then it really throws some ice on many of the notions contained in Macros the Black's initial postings in this thread. The obfuscated in the outer rim missions, SAP 8 containers and all the other Dark Wheel missions may have nothing to do with the quest for Raxxla at all and may amount to nothing more then "Dark Wheel" of the founder's world system attempting to leverage old legends on behalf of their faction ... just like ther...
Analyzes lore from Salomé novels: Alex Ryder's sons Neptune and Oberon split from Dark Wheel over disagreement about Raxxla vs Soontill. Neptune pursued Raxxla while Circle of Independent Elite Pilots followed Oberon.
Hidden away somewhere in the Exploration subthread I started a discussion about a possible expedition to locate ancient stars. As I've said elsewhere ... I have a feeling that Raxxla (if it is a place) is older then the universe itself. There is a class of stars known as "Population III" stars. One of the goals of the James Webb Space Telescope is to find evidence of these stars ... stars who's existence dates back almost to the Big Bang itself. These are massive metal-poor stars with an age nearing 14 billion years. I believe that Raxxla will be found orbiting a metal rich star that is older than what is possible given current theories regarding the age of the universe and that the "gate" on that world was used to shove Raxxla and its parent star back into the distant past. It's great a...
Links unnamed woman character (spikey hair, small frame, dark eyes, olive skin) from Salomé's Trial to Dynasty conspiracy as potential Dark Wheel operative with knowledge of Raxxla and extra-galactic technology.
So it is funny that you bring up what we do know and don't know about Raxxla the day i read Chapter 15. So lets go back in time, to Salome's Trial! Warning: Premonition Spoiler Spoiler I've seen you run missions out of Sinrarta Dezhra, Thorn replied. Shinrarta Dezhra? The woman laughed...You think The Dark Wheel advertises on a station board in plain sight? That we need rookie pilots to drag a couple tonnes of thrumpberry flavouring across to Hutton Orbital? A Trivial Ploy to keep the Founders off our backs...It keeps the treasure seekers and wishful thinkers occupied, They believe they are onto something...The truth is far more subtle then they will ever suspect. Shinrarta Deshra is merely a Front. You should not consider the Dark Wheel a single organization...The Wheel has many leve...
Developer Drew confirms unnamed woman character (spikey hair, small frame, dark eyes, olive skin) from Salomé's Trial can be identified through knowledge of Elite lore, suggesting she appears in game literature/Premonition.
The woman in particular speaking for the Dark Wheel to the Children of Raxxla representative is the one in question: Spikey Hair, Small Wirey Frame, Supple Dark Eyes, Olive Skin. Click to expand... Oh you can surmise her identity if you know your lore. Cheers, Drew.
Tracked a Type-9 Heavy vessel making high wake jumps from Shinrarta Dezhra through multiple systems. Observational data on Dark Wheel NPC routing patterns.
Stalked a Type-9 Heavy to LHS 2435 6, back to Shinrarta Dezhra, dropped very close to the star, high wake to Nuenets, and then I jumped to dinner. Ah, well, rl [smile]
Systematic wake-scanning of Dark Wheel ships departing Shinrarta Dezhra. Data shows jump destinations: LFT 926 (2), Nuenets (3), LHS 2435 (4), Katta (1), V886 Centauri (1), Puppis Sector TO-R B4-4 (1).
Started wake scanning Dark Wheel ships leaving Shinrarta Dezhra. | Jumped to System | Count | LFT 926 | 2 | Nuenets | 3 | LHS 2435 | 4 | Katta | 1 | V886 Centauri | 1 | Puppis Sector TO-R B4-4 | 1
Plan to track Dark Wheel ships leaving Shinrarta Dezhra to their ultimate destinations, potentially revealing hidden routing patterns or destination constraints.
Any new developments over the weekend meatbags? Click to expand... Well ... my copy of Holdstock's Where Time Winds Blow arrived. My alt account reached Elite in exploration this morning and arrived at Shinrarta Dhezrha... in the original starter Sidewinder. That account was in 100% Open Play and never earned a single credit from anything but exploration and never flew in anything but the orgjnal Sidewinder that it started with. Think I'm going to start tracking the destinations of DW ships leaving the system like MacrosTheBlack is doing ... though I might try chasing them down to see where they are ultimately destined.
Reddit report of passenger mission from Children of Raxxla faction directing to a 'Raxxla staging point' in a system between Heart and Soul nebulae in EAFOTS region. Requires verification but indicates potential faction-based access mechanism.
Just discovered this mystery for the first time, and I've read much (not 100%) of this thread, so forgive me if I'm behind, but I just saw this on reddit: My dad got allied with the children of raxxla and they gave him a passenger mission to a system just between the heart and soul in eafots. The passenger said it was the raxxla staging point he was taking him too. Click to expand... Is this a known thing to you Raxxlers and maybe a useful clue?
Systematic tracking of Elena Markow (Dark Wheel operative) across multiple systems. Notable: stopped at Crucis Sector DB-X b1-6 B 4 (ice body, 317KLs from jump point), then hung in supercruise in Crucis Sector HH-V b2-7 for extended period.
Ye Shall Have Faith Tracking Dark Wheel ships leaving Shinrarta Dezhra, and updating this post, not expecting much to come of it. For the most part only wake scanning the one jump out (would be cool if one day the wake said Raxxla), but on occasion I follow along. Tonight I tracked Elena Markow flying in a Python through 5 systems. Almost lost her at LHS 2313 at an outpost, was lucky to follow an anonymous wake and found her again. One stop was curious, she travelled 317KLs to Crucis Sector DB-X b1-6 B 4, a landable Ice body, and immediately jumped out again. Quite possibly just a random stop in a random system... Currently she's in supercruise in Crucis Sector HH-V b2-7, and I think that's the end of the road for her, because she's been here for 30 mins just hanging in sc. Anyway I'l...
Hypothesis that Raxxla access requires Triple Elite or single Elite status based on developer's 'personal journey' language and Dark Wheel missions being rank-gated.
Due to my 'teribble Englich' I am not sure if I understand correctly what MB insinuates in this interview. I mean, would he have used the words "personal journey" if Raxxla was a simple stellar body somewhere fixed, which anybody could jump upon randomly? The following sentence he says then, which I cant understand a single word due to his...gorgeous beard, may also be interesting to analyze. Spoiler https://player.twitch.tv/?volume=0.8&video=v66487974&time=1h40m30s Also, DB's ...and we know where it is. It is. Doesn't that overthrow the idea of a 'wandering planet' ? My excellent British fellow threaders could put me out of doubt.... Click to expand... As a native English speaker (albeit from 'oop North') "It is" doesn't discount a wandering planet, it could just imply that FD ...
Hypothesis that interactions with the Dark Wheel faction in-game represent the obvious/intentional clues to Raxxla's location or quest mechanics.
I'm kind of hoping that playing the game, doing all there is to do, will reveal more in-game clues. But in the worst case, you are right! Click to expand... " There must be a tiny little bit obvious, so people know what they are doing". So when we are dealing with the Dark Wheel we are dealing with Raxxla quest IMHO... Anything else "obvious" regarding Raxxla in E: D ?
Dark Wheel faction is strongly connected to Raxxla. Specific missions mention rumours about 'a place that isn't a place, door that is also the key' and references to maps and coordinates. Dark Wheel may be employing other commanders to help decrypt data crystals.
This ship log will be used to document the assumptions, facts, theories and efforts surrounding Raxxla, with the ultimate goal of locating Raxxla. All commanders willing to join are most welcome. If no new entries are made by me for a period of 2 weeks, you must assume that I have been eliminated by the Dark Wheel, swallowed by the abyss, or found Raxxla and have gone there. I hope for the latter (but will probably send pretty postcards). Raxxla A planet in another galaxy? with an alien construct that's a gateway to other Universes. The Dark Wheel found it (and lost it?), and will keep it's location secret at all costs. Assumptions Raxxla exists and can be found. Supporting indications: The existence of the Dark Wheel faction which is strongly connected to Raxxla. Missions[2][3][4][6]...
Theory that tailing Dark Wheel ships with wake scanners may reveal their jumps to Raxxla, or that members of Dark Wheel are making intergalactic jumps using spheres onboard.
This ship log will be used to document the assumptions, facts, theories and efforts surrounding Raxxla, with the ultimate goal of locating Raxxla. All commanders willing to join are most welcome. If no new entries are made by me for a period of 2 weeks, you must assume that I have been eliminated by the Dark Wheel, swallowed by the abyss, or found Raxxla and have gone there. I hope for the latter (but will probably send pretty postcards). Raxxla A planet in another galaxy? with an alien construct that's a gateway to other Universes. The Dark Wheel found it (and lost it?), and will keep it's location secret at all costs. Assumptions Raxxla exists and can be found. Supporting indications: The existence of the Dark Wheel faction which is strongly connected to Raxxla. Missions[2][3][4][6]...
Pilots Federation faction moved out of Jameson Memorial in Shinrarta Dezhra two days prior to this post. Theory that this planned move could allow Dark Wheel to take control of the station.
Any one noticed in Shinrarta Dezhra, Jameson Memorial, Pilots Federation faction has moved out two days ago. I sent a bug report in to see if it is a bug, or a planned move after the main patch and after the last fix patch nothing changed. If it was planned, it opens the door for The Dark wheel to take control, may be what FD are pushing for. Have to wait to see after the next fix if anything changes to confirm this is a planned move.
Alex Ryder discovered evidence of Raxxla but died before passing on details. Dark Wheel split over the quest; Neptune Ryder formed Circle of Independent Elite Pilots to search for Soontill instead. Current occupants of Raxxla (if it exists) are 'twisted men' elite NOT affiliated with Dark Wheel.
I was reading through the op and was thinking about the assumptions about Raxxla. Do we assume anything about how we will know if we have found it? It will be named Raxxla? We will or will not be able to land on it? One would imagine it to have structures on it, perhaps even visible from space. If The Dark Wheel is there now, we should be attacked upon entering the system. Click to expand... 1. We've been told that Raxxla has been in-game since release. This means that it pre-dates Horizons. It very possible that it will NOT be a planet that we can currently land on. If there is anything near Raxxla that we can interact with then I (personally) expect it to be some sort of starport. 2. There is no reason to believe that The Dark Wheel have found Raxxla. Alex Ryder apparently discovere...
Tracking Elena Markow (Dark Wheel pilot) leaving Shinrarta Dezhra through multiple systems. Notable stop at Crucis Sector DB-X b1-6 B 4 (ice body, 317k LY travel). Commander investigated but found nothing of significance.
Tracking Dark Wheel ships leaving Shinrarta Dezhra, and updating this post, not expecting much to come of it. For the most part only wake scanning the one jump out (would be cool if one day the wake said Raxxla), but on occasion I follow along. Tonight I tracked Elena Markow flying in a Python through 5 systems. Almost lost her at LHS 2313 at an outpost, was lucky to follow an anonymous wake and found her again. One stop was curious, she travelled 317KLs to Crucis Sector DB-X b1-6 B 4, a landable Ice body, and immediately jumped out again. Quite possibly just a random stop in a random system... Currently she's in supercruise in Crucis Sector HH-V b2-7, and I think that's the end of the road for her, because she's been here for 30 mins just hanging in sc. Anyway I'll spend some time loo...
Reports that Pilots Federation faction departed Shinrarta Dezhra two days before patch. Speculates this opens opportunity for Dark Wheel control, potentially part of Frontier's plan related to Raxxla.
Any one noticed in Shinrarta Dezhra, Jameson Memorial, Pilots Federation faction has moved out two days ago. I sent a bug report in to see if it is a bug, or a planned move after the main patch and after the last fix patch nothing changed. If it was planned, it opens the door for The Dark wheel to take control, may be what FD are pushing for. Have to wait to see after the next fix if anything changes to confirm this is a planned move. Click to expand... I just picked up a delivery mission at Merope5C (cant see any differences from2.3, other than the barney is surrounded by bright green goo) to meet aguy in Maia, get some data from him and deliver to Darnielles Progress... in Maia. Odd I thought, then found the Pilots Federation there.
Notes disappearance of Raxxla-related missions from Shinrarta Dezhra (e.g., 'Obfuscated in the Outer Rim'). Questions if missions are still available elsewhere and why Formidine Rift thread was locked without explanation.
So, is this thread now the home-away-from-home for locked-out independent Rifters? Anyone know why the Formidine Rift thread was locked down (without any apparent warning or explanation)? Also, was just in Shinrarta where I am allied with the Dark Wheel, and no sign of any of the old potentially Raxxla-related missions there at all anymore (Obfuscated in the Outer Rim, etc.). Anyone know if these missions are actually still available anywhere? Last known sighting?
Speculation that 'Founder or Elite' rank-requirement missions were removed during mission system overhaul. Questions whether their absence prevents finding Raxxla and if they will return.
It seems there is a recent (7 September) no-answer answer from one of the live streams, number 6 here. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...swers-Thread?p=5898193&viewfull=1#post5898193 Current speculation on the thread linked off of AndyJ's post above seems to be that all "Founder or Elite" missions were removed when they removed rank requirements from the mission system. It would be nice to have that confirmed, and know whether they will come back. And if their absence might be inhibiting or preventing finding Raxxla (or anything else) in any way.
Evidence that all Founder or Elite missions were removed when rank requirements were dropped from the mission system. Speculation that this removal may be inhibiting discovery of Raxxla-related content.
It seems there is a recent (7 September) no-answer answer from one of the live streams, number 6 here. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...swers-Thread?p=5898193&viewfull=1#post5898193 Current speculation on the thread linked off of AndyJ's post above seems to be that all "Founder or Elite" missions were removed when they removed rank requirements from the mission system. It would be nice to have that confirmed, and know whether they will come back. And if their absence might be inhibiting or preventing finding Raxxla (or anything else) in any way. Click to expand... I bet they have the entire storyline idle because of this bug. Just like when the EAFOTS bases were unlandable. History repeats and now FD keep silent to avoid salt. Seriously, ' We have nothing to announce at this po...
Analysis of Pilots Federation faction movement in Shinrarta Dezhra and theoretical Dark Wheel takeover scenarios. Suggests checking BGS warfare mechanics and reputation manipulation as potential Raxxla access triggers.
Any one noticed in Shinrarta Dezhra, Jameson Memorial, Pilots Federation faction has moved out two days ago. I sent a bug report in to see if it is a bug, or a planned move after the main patch and after the last fix patch nothing changed. If it was planned, it opens the door for The Dark wheel to take control, may be what FD are pushing for. Have to wait to see after the next fix if anything changes to confirm this is a planned move. Click to expand... I just picked up a delivery mission at Merope5C (cant see any differences from2.3, other than the barney is surrounded by bright green goo) to meet aguy in Maia, get some data from him and deliver to Darnielles Progress... in Maia. Odd I thought, then found the Pilots Federation there. Click to expand... Has anyone tried to get extr...
Speculation that Dark Wheel faction control of stations could gate Raxxla access, and that extreme negative reputation with Pilots Federation might trigger scripted Dark Wheel missions.
Any one noticed in Shinrarta Dezhra, Jameson Memorial, Pilots Federation faction has moved out two days ago. I sent a bug report in to see if it is a bug, or a planned move after the main patch and after the last fix patch nothing changed. If it was planned, it opens the door for The Dark wheel to take control, may be what FD are pushing for. Have to wait to see after the next fix if anything changes to confirm this is a planned move. Click to expand... I just picked up a delivery mission at Merope5C (cant see any differences from2.3, other than the barney is surrounded by bright green goo) to meet aguy in Maia, get some data from him and deliver to Darnielles Progress... in Maia. Odd I thought, then found the Pilots Federation there. Click to expand... Has anyone tried to get extr...
Author analyzes the removal of mysterious Elite/Founders Dark Wheel missions that had descriptions implying they led somewhere. Theories include missions were bugged, led nowhere, or were removed when missions system was reworked to eliminate Founder prerequisites.
I can neither confirm nor deny the amount of tinfoil required to figure out why FDevs have canceled the mysterious Elite/Founders Dark Wheel missions Click to expand... <cough/>bug. Or the missions never worked or led anywhere so they removed them (as their descriptions implied they did go somewhere..getting everyone's hopes up and leading us by the nose like the sheeple we are and only getting us upset when nothing happened). The fact they have not responded to several requests and bug reports about them would seem to indicate this. I think one of the threads upstream also suggested they were likely removed when the missions system was reworked to get rid of all the missions that had a prereq of Founder also. Of course these were Elite or Founder, so more indication of a possible err...
Dark Wheel missions were prerequisites requiring Elite rank in Exploration or other careers, suggesting a structured progression system that may have pointed toward hidden content.
I can neither confirm nor deny the amount of tinfoil required to figure out why FDevs have canceled the mysterious Elite/Founders Dark Wheel missions Click to expand... <cough/>bug. Or the missions never worked or led anywhere so they removed them (as their descriptions implied they did go somewhere..getting everyone's hopes up and leading us by the nose like the sheeple we are and only getting us upset when nothing happened). The fact they have not responded to several requests and bug reports about them would seem to indicate this. I think one of the threads upstream also suggested they were likely removed when the missions system was reworked to get rid of all the missions that had a prereq of Founder also. Of course these were Elite or Founder, so more indication of a possible err...
Author references potential Dark Wheel insignia sightings and alien structures as clues to Raxxla's location, linking the Dark Wheel faction to the mystery.
Is Raxxla permit-locked, e.g. in one of the five overlapping spheres of Praeia or somewhere similar where entire sectors have been locked off so we can't enter them? That way it could have been "in the game" since the start but completely cut off to players. I did my first ever SRV drive on Lave 2. Would like to go back there one day! Click to expand... Did you see any alien structures? Or encounter hostile humans wearing the Dark Wheel insignia?
Analysis that Dark Wheel organization never successfully located Raxxla in lore, important constraint for any location theory.
It doesn't fit the myths though. The myths say it's in another galaxy for starters. (That's got to be taken in conjunction with the likely retcon of the other galaxies from previous games to actually be distant parts of the milky way of course.) TDW never found Raxxla. Elite pilots being assassinated just for finding evidence that Raxxla existed - that's a complete mismatch with it being somewhere that all Elite pilots get access to. 64 ly from Sol isn't very far. Achenar is more than twice further away. The name Shinrarta Dezhra came from one of the kickstarter supporters, not from FD. There's also no need whatsoever for treasure from other universes in order to explain the PF's power. Also, the state of commercial FTL tech =/= the state of human FTL tech. Click to expand... I'...
Missions 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 related to Dark Wheel. Mission 2 mentions cryptic rumour: 'A Certain celestial body. Place that isn't a place, door that is also the key. The myth.' Response includes map and coordinate context.
This ship log will be used to document the assumptions, facts, theories and efforts surrounding Raxxla, with the ultimate goal of locating Raxxla. All commanders willing to join are most welcome. If no new entries are made by me for a period of 2 weeks, you must assume that I have been eliminated by the Dark Wheel, swallowed by the abyss, or found Raxxla and have gone there. I hope for the latter (but will probably send pretty postcards). Raxxla A planet in another galaxy? with an alien construct that's a gateway to other Universes. The Dark Wheel found it (and lost it?), and will keep it's location secret at all costs. Assumptions Raxxla exists and can be found. Supporting indications: The existence of the Dark Wheel faction which is strongly connected to Raxxla. Missions[2][3][4][6]...
Elite-only missions involve intercepting Dark Wheel ships. Theory suggests tailing these ships with wake scanners could reveal if they make inexplicable disappearances near Raxxla.
This ship log will be used to document the assumptions, facts, theories and efforts surrounding Raxxla, with the ultimate goal of locating Raxxla. All commanders willing to join are most welcome. If no new entries are made by me for a period of 2 weeks, you must assume that I have been eliminated by the Dark Wheel, swallowed by the abyss, or found Raxxla and have gone there. I hope for the latter (but will probably send pretty postcards). Raxxla A planet in another galaxy? with an alien construct that's a gateway to other Universes. The Dark Wheel found it (and lost it?), and will keep it's location secret at all costs. Assumptions Raxxla exists and can be found. Supporting indications: The existence of the Dark Wheel faction which is strongly connected to Raxxla. Missions[2][3][4][6]...
Dark Wheel 'Raxxla' missions listed in thread opening are the most obvious clues available to players pursuing Raxxla location.
Thing is, if there will be no clues, as MB said, then that means the mission that started this thread are meaningless? Click to expand... The mission that started this thread was the quest to find Raxxla. The 'raxxla' missions listed in the OP was the most obvious clue(s) to follow at the time.
The Dark Wheel narrative (Alex Ryder, Elyssia Fields stealing Cobra from Tionisla Graveyard) occurs after 3200 AD, given Cobra Mk III release ~3100. Confirms temporal framework for Raxxla references in that novella.
It’s in-game/Galnet so is ED canon. I would love to have a good of the FD internal lore book! What was the date setting for the Dark Wheel, does that fit this date? Click to expand... I think the original Cobra Mk III was released around 3100AD. Since Alex Ryder and Elyssia Fields stole an old one from the Tionisla Graveyard the events of The Dark Wheel would have to have happened after 3200.
Proposes visiting all permit-locked systems as requirement, allying with Dark Wheel faction, triggering missions. Suggests following Dark Wheel ships via wake scanners leads to Raxxla via Beagle Point. Claims Cobra with 7ly drive used originally, rewards 10% discount on old world ships.
To unlock raxxla, you need to visit every permit locked system (not region), as these are all connected with elite history. some are inaccessible at the moment, so there must be a trick to unlocking. When there Ally with relevant factions such as the dark wheel, elite division. Etc Then I imagine missions will appear as part of a hunt for raxxla, also I think people have followed dark wheel ships using wake scanners. That also leads you to Raxxla, via beagle point. As Raxxla was found using a cobra with 7ly drive. Yoi need to match this ship and call yourself Jameson. Once you get there, its pretty cool, 10% discount off all old world ships. Enjoy
Jaiotu clarifies that Jason Ryder's death before reporting means we cannot distinguish whether he found Raxxla itself or merely evidence of its existence, both serving as springboards for the current quest.
Where's the stuff about The Dark Wheel actually knowing the location of Raxxla coming from? In TDW, Jason never actually found it, and according to And Here The Wheel, The Dark Wheel never found Raxxla. Click to expand... We don't know for a fact that Jason didn't find Raxxla. He died before he was able to deliver all of the information he had to the rest of The Dark Wheel. Rafe knew, through Jason's last words to Alex, that Jason had found evidence that Raxxla was real. We don't know with any degree of certainty just what evidence he'd managed to uncover. He could have found Raxxla itself ... or maybe he just found archival evidence proving that Raxxla was real. This is typically what we mean when we say that Jason found Raxxla. Whatever he found had got him pretty excited ... maybe e...
Han_Zen confirms Jason Ryder was killed in Leesti, suggesting he found evidence rather than the location itself, or was assassinated en route.
I suspect if he’d found Raxxla they would have killed him there, whereas if he had merely found evidence if its existence they would have sent an assassin after him. mmmmm unless he was killed at Raxxla, except it must be off the beaten track to require an expedition to find it, so he wouldn’t have taken his son there..... Click to expand... Jason Ryder was killed i Leesti.
Theorizes that early missions with 'obfuscated in the outer rim' subtitle represented initial Dark Wheel contact, with progression to 'elucidated in the inner circle' missions planned but scrubbed by Frontier to prevent early discovery.
But again, so : The mission-giver was not in Shinrarta. So if he means "outer rim" of a system he would mean of HIS system, otherwise he would have precised what system outer rim... IMHO Click to expand... Right. Honestly the biggest hurdle is the fact that these missions apparently got scrubbed. My personal belief (held without much evidence) is that the subtext of "obfuscated in the outer rim" was intended to convey a sense of being brought into initial contact with The Dark Wheel. I think later missions, once you were tuned into what was going on, would probably have read "elucidated in the inner circle". Alas, I think there was some backpedaling on Frontier's part with the realization that too many clues delivered so early in the game's history would result in us finding Raxxla to ...
Clarifies that the Dark Wheel medallion first appeared in fan-fiction by Children of Raxxla player group and Drew Wagar, later integrated into official Elite: Dangerous storyline through Reclamation content, establishing Dark Wheel pursued multiple myths beyond just Raxxla.
Not necessarily. Wasn't Lady Kahinas ship found with a medallion with the Dark Wheel insignia on one side? Doesn't she warn of an elite conspiracy? Click to expand... The "Dark Wheel" medallion first makes an appearance in the fan-fiction short story written as the Children of Raxxla's origin story. The Children of Raxxla are a player group that reached out to Drew Wagar and asked if they could use his character, Salomé, as a figurehead for their organization. Later, when Drew was asked to come back to the Elite: Dangerous universe to write Reclamation elements of that fan-fiction narrative found their way into the official storyline. It's important to remember that The Dark Wheel, as an organization, were never limited to the search for Raxxla. Raxxla was just one of the many myths th...
Notes that Lady Kahina's ship was found with a medallion bearing Dark Wheel insignia and that she warns of an elite conspiracy, suggesting connection between Dark Wheel and Elite involvement in Raxxla.
Me thinks you are getting things confused. The line from Reorte to Riedquat is about the Formidine Rift not Raxxla. The Rift is solved, finished, done and reheated until it has become shoe leather. Raxxla is a totally different mystery altogether with roots that go back to the original Elite video game released in 1984. Click to expand... Not necessarily. Wasn't Lady Kahinas ship found with a medallion with the Dark Wheel insignia on one side? Doesn't she warn of an elite conspiracy?
The Elite rank requirement is specifically tied to The Dark Wheel faction rather than Raxxla itself. Players seeking Dark Wheel assistance in finding Raxxla must be Elite; independent searches may not have this requirement.
One system that we are currently aware of. Who's to say there isn't another system somewhere that's permit locked until you're Elite? Click to expand... The Elite requirement is linked to organisation 'The Dark Wheel', not Raxxla it self. It's basically(lore wise) a requirement if you want to find Raxxla with the help of The Dark Wheel. If you think you can do it on your own, you probably don't have to worry about ranks.
Rafe's insistence that Alex become Elite to find Raxxla may indicate that Elite rank is a gatekeeping requirement set by The Dark Wheel organization, not necessarily a permit lock on a system. The requirement could mean either accessing Raxxla itself is contingent on Elite status, or that The Dark Wheel will only assist those who have achieved Elite rank.
There might well be, but I don't want to go round and round again having the discussion about why I don't think Raxxla is outside the bubble any more It's interesting to note though that the Elite ranking it means in TDW related solely to kills - essentially Rafe was telling Ryder to learn to be a killer - not just a killer, but a really good killer in order to find Raxxla. Quite an odd requirement to find a lost planet don't you think? EDIT: Sorry meant to add - Maybe finding Raxxla isn't hard, it's getting there that's hard - as in, you need to be Elite, which is pretty hard to do - but actually finding Raxxla (or knowing where it is) isn't hard.
A mysterious patch at Jameson Memorial introduced Dark Wheel killing missions, which may correlate with the requirement to 'learn to be a killer' as stated in The Dark Wheel novel regarding Raxxla discovery.
Learn to be a killer!!! are you aware of the amount of Dark Wheel killing missions after the last mysterious patch @ Jameson memorial
Close reading of Rafe's statement 'Unless you get there, unless you become élite, you'll never get to Raxxla' suggests 'there' refers to achieving Elite rank itself, making the combat/piloting rank a prerequisite for Raxxla discovery rather than access to a specific location.
The Elite requirement is linked to organisation 'The Dark Wheel', not Raxxla it self. It's basically(lore wise) a requirement if you want to find Raxxla with the help of The Dark Wheel. If you think you can do it on your own, you probably don't have to worry about ranks. Click to expand... 'One thing's for sure,' Rafe went on dryly. 'Unless you get there, unless you become élite, you'll never get to Raxxla. And you'll never know exactly what your father was searching for.' The natural reading of Rafe's statement is that the "there" that Alex needs to get to is the rank of élite. The entire conversation leading up to this revelation is Rafe telling Alex that his father, Jason, believed that he had what it takes to reach the highest combat rank. This of course leads up to our introducti...
The Dark Wheel may function as a shadowy arm of the Pilots Federation, gathering pseudo-elites to resolve inconsistencies. It's an affiliation of organizations sharing common goals rather than a single entity.
Perhaps the Dark Wheel really simply wishes to gather these pseudo-elites in one place and resolve the inconsistency? Shadowy arm of Pilots Federation... Click to expand... '... It's more akin of affiliation of organisations that share common goals. ...' Alessia Verdi, in 'The founding of the Children of Raxxla' But in the end I am compiling what I know and writing it down to see if maybe there was something so insanely obvious in there. But the bottom line is I would put money on the fact that it is staring us right in the face. Click to expand... Imho, it seems clear the "not-insanely-but-tiny-bit-obvious-thing " is the presence of TDW faction in the game and it's former Soontil Relics missions, eventually bugged and actually removed. I bet everything we need is in the FP. Macro...
David Braben stated 'follow the missions.' Pursuing missions from Shinrarta through Dark Wheel-connected organizations and factions may reveal a grind-based path to Raxxla, following established work from the game's start.
I remember Braben saying follow the missions. Now i dont know what exactly he was refereeing too, but if we follow the missions from Shinrata via organisations connected to the Dark Wheel etc but it might lead some were. It will be a massive grind getting rep with each faction, but have we not all done that before. i see a lot of work has gone into this from the start. did the trail end.
Achieving allied status with all Elite lore factions including The Dark Wheel triggers 'mysterious stranger missions.' These may be the missions Braben referenced for finding Raxxla.
I am near to be allied with every single faction (as far as I know ..) involved in these Elite missions. Some weird things already happened but nothing conclusive. Keeping on just to not let loose ends. Click to expand... I became allied with all of them (including TDW of course) and then noticed I was getting mysterious stranger missions. Not sure if coincidence or not. Must get round to doing the missions..
The Dark Wheel operates from Shinrarta Dhezra but questions whether the current faction represents the true organization or a usurper. Even before the Oberon-Neptune Ryder schism creating the Circle of Independent Elite Pilots, multiple independent Dark Wheel sects likely existed. Suggests investigating the Barnard's Loop region as a potential Raxxla search area.
The case for Barnard's Loop. The hunt for Raxxla takes explorers on many routes through the galaxy. We search among the stars and planets for that one Great Anomaly to point us to this final destination. Yet Raxxla remains hidden and shrouded from view. We must therefore focus on the one link to Raxxla that appears to be transparent: The Dark Wheel. Operating out of the Founder's World system of Shinrarta Dhezra much has been made about whether or not this group even represents the actual Dark Wheel at all or if it is something entirely different which has subjugated the name for some perceived benefit of reputation. Even before the Great Schism between Oberon and Neptune Ryder led to the the formation of the Circle of Independent Elite Pilots there must already have been many independe...
The Dark Wheel has existed for hundreds or thousands of years across vast space. Similar to religious schisms, multiple groups likely claim to be the true Dark Wheel lineage, including The Circle of Independent Elite Pilots as a known breakaway sect. This fragmentation complicates identifying the genuine organization.
I'm more of a mind to think that the "Dark Wheel" from Premonition think that they are the real Dark Wheel. The organization has been around for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. Spread out across countless light-years. We know that at least one other sect broke away from The Dark Wheel ... The Circle of Independent Elite Pilots. I can imagine that there are numerous groups that claim to be the true descendants of The Dark Wheel. Look at Christianity as an example. At the macro level you have the Catholics, Orthodox and the Protestants. Among the Protestants you have Lutherans, Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Baptists. Throw the Restorationist movements into the mix (Church of Christ, Mormons, Seventh-Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.) All of whom claim that their tradition r...
The Dark Wheel quote from Robert Holdstock directly compares the faction to King Arthur mythology. This establishes a literary connection between the Raxxla narrative and Arthurian legend that may inform system naming or quest structure.
"The Dark Wheel was as mysterious and as mythical to the traders of the Galaxy as King Arthur might have been to the first spacemen." - The Dark Wheel by Robert Holdstock I wonder if it would be worth investigating systems with names connected to Arthurian legend? Click to expand... Sir Robin seem to be a popular role model for many ED players(me included).
Robert Holdstock's Dark Wheel novel compares the Dark Wheel faction to King Arthur legend. Suggests investigating systems with Arthurian legend names as potential Raxxla clues, drawing parallels between Raxxla as the Grail and the Arthurian quest narrative.
"The Dark Wheel was as mysterious and as mythical to the traders of the Galaxy as King Arthur might have been to the first spacemen." - The Dark Wheel by Robert Holdstock I wonder if it would be worth investigating systems with names connected to Arthurian legend?
Kickstarter Founders were granted immediate access to special Elite missions without needing to grind Elite rank. These missions disappeared before most Founders could attempt them, suggesting they contained significant content now inaccessible.
Err... this is why they were "Founder or Elite" missions. We (the Founders) were granted immediate access to these special missions without the need to gain Elite rank first. This was a KS perk. Of course it's a bit of a bad joke that they disappeared before many of us even tried them and I for one are well past Elite ranking now anyway. Click to expand... Yes. What I meant was that they weren't strictly a KS reward as you could also earn access to them via rank.
Founder missions disappeared over 2 years prior to this post in patch 1.5 and remained missing. Frontier developers have refused to discuss these missions or acknowledge their disappearance, suggesting deliberate removal or undisclosed status related to Raxxla content.
Is it still possible to get the Obfuscated In The Outer Rim mission? If so, where? Click to expand... They were handing them out at Jameson Memorial but have since gone away...I think just shortly after 2.3 dropped. Click to expand... No, they went missing over 2 YEARS ago in 1.5. FD refuse to even talk about the Founder missions. God knows I've tried getting this addressed! (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Find-Raxxla?p=5869706&viewfull=1#post5869706) Recent efforts to ask in the Q&A livestreams got a "Nothing to talk about on this right now" in September and were flat out ignored last week. Someone else needs to have a go at getting a response because I think that they just ignore me now. Or maybe waving pitchforks and shouting loudly on the main forum, as that seems to...
Withdrawn/retracted missions may serve as clues to Raxxla's location or nature, though uncertain.
I originally took Fyrd for granted as meaning when you find Raxxla you'll know it so was chiding you who knows their stuff to the front page for the Brooks and Braden quote though it would be interesting to know where exactly Fyrd heard just entering the system and you'll know comes from. The only certainties we have are the Mbrooks and Dbraben quotes but they do mean its been there from the beginning so Horizons not required even if its been enhanced since then even the 32 bit version can find it, the rest is tinfoil. The withdrawn missions may be a clue or not. I know all the rifteres in their heart thought of the rift as a warm-up for Raxxla and considering it wasn't found until spoon fed says what it does. The odds are literally unimaginable. "I found Raxxla and all I got was this...
Dark Wheel was previously issuing missions that appeared to relate to Raxxla, but these missions have now stopped being distributed. This suggests either a mission cycle change or intentional withdrawal of the quest line.
There were missions being given out by the Dark Wheel that seemed to relate to Raxxla (see beginning of this thread) but they have stopped being given out now. Click to expand... I am so disappointed by this - these missions have been driving me to hit Elite. Is anyone here triple/quadruple Elite? Perhaps this matters now?
Dark Wheel traditionally only deals with Elite-ranked players. Despite this gatekeeping, Dark Wheel itself has not found Raxxla, raising questions about their usefulness in the search.
I know DJTruthSayer has theorized that Raxxla can only be found by a Triple Elite but, like almost everything surrounding Raxxla, nothing confirmed regarding that. Click to expand... What we know is that The Dark Wheel traditionally don't deal with non Elites. If you are to get help from them, you beter have that badge. On the other hand we know that DW hasn't found Raxxla them self, so I don't know how much they are of use at all. By the way Spoiler SAP 8 Core is available in the Beta. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ens-Spoilers?p=6381373&viewfull=1#post6381373
Dark Wheel split approximately 50 years prior: one faction continued searching for Raxxla (fate unknown), while the other searched for and found Soontil, eventually forming the CIEP. Possibility that the Raxxla-seeking group found it within the last 50 years.
What we know is that The Dark Wheel traditionally don't deal with non Elites. If you are to get help from them, you beter have that badge. On the other hand we know that DW hasn't found Raxxla them self, so I don't know how much they are of use at all. By the way Spoiler SAP 8 Core is available in the Beta. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ens-Spoilers?p=6381373&viewfull=1#post6381373 Click to expand... Well... more specifically we know that they split in half around 50 years ago and one bunch went off to continue the search for Raxxla (fate unknown) and the other half went to search for (and found) Soontil and formed the CIEP. It's possible that in the last 50 years the DW found it...
Three TDW missions for Elite status (Obfuscated in the Outer Rim, etc.) were designed one for each Elite category: Explorer, Trader, and Combat. This deliberate structure may hint at required progression or unlocked content for accessing deeper Raxxla-related information.
TDW is the canon which is not canon. This is exactly how I view it; a legend based on real events in which it has become impossible to differentiate fact from fiction. Click to expand... +1 Rep. Love the idea of old lore living on as legend!
The Dark Wheel has been subject to retcon/reboot after original Elite, but elements like Oresrians have been confirmed by canonical sources in Elite Dangerous despite incongruities in the original context.
Sure but TDW also describes smuggling Tharglets, Thargoids and Oresrians being different (but virtually visually identical species), and loads of crazy Mos Eisley Cantina aliens all over the place. It's entirely possible that those old crazy drunk-on-lavian-brandy inspired tales might have got a few details corrupted in the retellings... Click to expand... Well ... we have to remember that everything that came after the original Elite and The Dark Wheel has been a retcon or, more correctly, a complete reboot of the Elite universe. The original Elite had a universe populated by all kinds of strange lifeforms. Our task, when reading The Dark Wheel now, is to read it in light of everything that has come after it ... which means ignoring every reference to Aliens (including the reference ...
The Dark Wheel describes Elite pilots as 'powerful, twisted men,' but Thargoids are all female while Guardians come in both types, suggesting the text may conflate different species or the description may refer to something other than Thargoids.
Well all the Thargoids seem to be elite, & nowhere does it say (I think) that those elite pilots have to be human [alien] Click to expand... TDW describes them: 'They're powerful, twisted men'. Thargoids are not men. They are all female. Guardians on the other hand, comes in both types.
The Dark Wheel shifted from exploring the galaxy for myths/legends to focusing narrowly on Raxxla after Alex took leadership. The faction's presence in a single system (Shinrarta Dhezra area) contradicts their lore description, suggesting their efforts may have concentrated on Raxxla access.
TDW faction, Doc ? Click to expand... Well ... it is odd, based on their description in The Dark Wheel novella, to find The Dark Wheel existing as a Minor Faction based around a single system instead of out exploring the depths of the galaxy in search of legends and myths. It seems that, after Alex took on the mantle of leadership, The Dark Wheel narrowed its focus to just searching for Raxxla. At least until the CIEPers split off to find Soontil. Maybe the split was so devastating that The Dark Wheel finally gave up on the quest? Or maybe we should be probing the area around Shinrarta Dhezra more thoroughly?
The Dark Wheel/Club's influence appears more extensively woven into game narrative than previously understood. This suggests The Club is not merely book fiction but an integrated game element with planned storyline expansion.
Same, that changes things quite a bit. Nick work Makahi! I read somewhere, can't remember where, I think it was the Authors Notes in And Here The Wheel (maybe) that the writers were told specifically that the one topic they couldn't write about was Raxxla, which is why AHTW goes after Soonil but still wraps in a lot of old Raxxla lore. I took this to basically mean "we've got plans for Raxxla", basically. So good to hear someone with access to the writers pack say that. That's something I've been speculating about for ages. That is incredibly interesting. It means that essentially the Club's influence is potentially far more wrapped in the games narrative than we previously thought. I wonder if Drew means that the part of Makahi's question regarding the discovery scanner is 'a good q...
Lore connections exist between Dark Wheel faction and Shinatra Dezra that may relate to Raxxla discovery or concealment.
Lave2 is a permit locked planet, you cant get close, also one in sol system (titan?) I still think its something to do with dark wheel and Shinatra Dezra as it's lore related still not sure why FR thread was closed, similar musings were going one there
Evidence indicates The Dark Wheel actively searched for Raxxla but never located it. If Raxxla is cloaked or hidden, it was not by Dark Wheel—suggesting external or natural concealment mechanisms.
As I read the above post, I thought of a perfect hiding spot for Raxxla. It would make it possible to be in game, while being impossible to find. Inside a gas giant. Could the dark wheel have created the grandest cloaking scheme ever? Click to expand... Everything we know about The Dark Wheel indicates that they went looking for Raxxla. We have no evidence that they ever found it. If Raxxla has been cloaked it isn't The Dark Wheel's doing.
Dark Wheel operates as decentralized organization with multiple levels and hubs, not a single entity. Shinrarta Dezhra serves as a front to gather information from explorers rather than genuine discovery mechanism.
‘I’ve seen you run missions out of Shinrarta Dezhra,’ Thorn replied. ‘Shinrarta Dezhra?’ The woman laughed, her scorn plain to hear. ‘You think the Dark Wheel advertises on a station board in plain sight? That we need rookie pilots to drag a couple of tonnes of thrumpberry flavouring across to Hutton orbital? A trivial ploy to keep the founders amused.‘It keeps the treasure seekers and wishful thinkers occupied,(AKA the Rifters, Note to the Editor) the woman said.‘They believe they are on to something. They have their uses for occasional menial activities. The truth is far more subtle than they will ever suspect.Shinrarta is nothing.’You should not consider the Dark Wheel a single organisation, gentlemen. How could it survive for so long if it were so? The Wheel has many levels, many hubs...
The Dark Wheel may operate a decoy faction in Shinrarta Dezhra issuing meaningless Raxxla-related missions to increase obfuscation and misdirect explorers while gathering intelligence on searchers.
That is not a fact. That is a speculation. Yes ... I know what Drew wrote in Premonition but when I asked him directly about this his answer was: Click to expand... The obvious answer is they would create a dummy DW faction in SD that would issue meaningless Raxxla quest-related missions in order to increase the obfuscation. there goes the last of the clues!
Dark Wheel likely uses Shinrarta Dezhra front as passive intelligence collection, incentivizing explorers to voluntarily report discoveries in hopes of gaining allied status, eliminating need for active galaxy-wide search.
The obvious answer is they would create a dummy DW faction in SD that would issue meaningless Raxxla quest-related missions in order to increase the obfuscation. there goes the last of the clues! Click to expand... More obvious would be operating The Dark Wheel in Shinrata Dhezra as a "front" and using it to garnish information without having to do the legwork. You don't have to search the galaxy for Raxxla if you can convince all the would-be explorers to drop their data on your doorstep in hopes that gaining allied status with the front organization might yield some significant clue regarding the galaxy's biggest mystery. We have to remember that the conversation in which Rebecca hints that The Dark Wheel minor faction isn't actually The Dark Wheel first appeared in a work of fan-fi...
Developer Drew confirmed Dark Wheel operates through obfuscation and misdirection. The Shinrarta Dezhra faction may or may not be the true Dark Wheel; questioning its authenticity aligns with their operational philosophy of confusion.
Facts: The TDW faction is not TDW Click to expand... That is not a fact. That is a speculation. Yes ... I know what Drew wrote in Premonition but when I asked him directly about this his answer was: You have to remember that the Dark Wheel are the masters of obfuscation. Misdirection and confusion are definitely their modus operandi. Having people question whether they even exist suits their purposes extremely well. The Dark Wheel faction at Shinrarta Dezhra may be official, or it may not be. You need to ask yourselves whether or not it would suit the purposes of the Dark Wheel to have such an outlet and if they did, to what use would they put it? Cheers, Drew. Click to expand...
The Children of Raxxla, originating from fan-fiction 'The Children of Raxxla' short story, represents a splinter group that considers itself a spiritual successor to Holdstock's original Dark Wheel. The distinction between the official minor faction and these ideological successors suggests multiple competing claims to TDW heritage.
More obvious would be operating The Dark Wheel in Shinrata Dhezra as a "front" and using it to garnish information without having to do the legwork. You don't have to search the galaxy for Raxxla if you can convince all the would-be explorers to drop their data on your doorstep in hopes that gaining allied status with the front organization might yield some significant clue regarding the galaxy's biggest mystery. We have to remember that the conversation in which Rebecca hints that The Dark Wheel minor faction isn't actually The Dark Wheel first appeared in a work of fan-fiction. It was part of Allessia Verdi's The Children of Raxxla short story. I think that The Children have always considered themselves spiritual successors to Holdstock's Dark Wheel. The existence of this super mysterio...
The Dark Wheel, being hundreds of years old, has undergone multiple schisms, splits, recombinations and mergers similar to religious evolution. The Circle of Independent Elite Pilots and The Children of Raxxla are documented splinter groups or merged factions. A central hub may exist managing these various player groups across the wheel's history.
Yep. I remain of the same view as at the time of that discussion. TDW faction in SD think that they’re TDW. Click to expand... Totally agree (and also out of Rep). I kind of look at the evolution of The Dark Wheel as a group as following similar lines as the evolution of many religions. They splinter, split, recombine, merge and go to war against each other and create a constant web of change. The Circle of Independent Elite Pilots was one of these splinters and The Children of Raxxla are one of those groups that merged (though on one of the outer rungs) with TDW. The Dark Wheel is hundreds of years old. Schisms were bound to occur throughout its history as various member's egos clashed while others felt that the group either had the wrong focus or needed to change focus. It is quite...
The Dark Wheel minor faction operating in Shinrata Dhezra may be using the TDW name as a front organization to gather exploration data without conducting independent searches, potentially funneling researcher findings to a central hub. This distinction between the authentic Dark Wheel and splinter groups or imposters is significant for understanding the faction's true nature.
That is not a fact. That is a speculation. Yes ... I know what Drew wrote in Premonition but when I asked him directly about this his answer was: Click to expand... Yep. I remain of the same view as at the time of that discussion. TDW faction in SD think that they’re TDW.
Proposes that The Dark Wheel (TDW) may not be a single unified organization but rather a collection of various different groups, drawing parallels to The Club's structure and suggesting they could be one and the same entity.
With all this talk about TDW being not a single group but rather a collection of various different groups, doesn't that have some close resemblance to The Club? Could they be one and the same?
In-game Dark Wheel faction may be directing players toward Soontill based on recent narrative turnabout in the game's storyline.
Given the turnabout to Soontill in-fiction, I'd assume the in-game Dark Wheel is leading there, if it's leading anywhere at all.
Soontill was base of Circle of Independent Elite Pilots (CIEP), an offshoot of Dark Wheel, not TDW itself. Robert Garry destroyed Soontill, eliminating that base of operations.
Given the turnabout to Soontill in-fiction, I'd assume the in-game Dark Wheel is leading there, if it's leading anywhere at all. Click to expand... Soontil was the base of The Circle of Independent Elite Pilots, an offshoot of TDW not TDW itself. Nothing left on Soontil after Robert Garry blew it up.
The Dark Wheel novel describes characters dropping out of hyperspace before reaching a planet. South City is identified as a section of a Coriolis station in HURUKUNTAK system, the only one of its kind in Elite: Dangerous.
Anyone know the type of Hyperdrive during the events of The Dark Wheel book? From what I understand, it was the quirium drive? I may be wrong, it's a bit early for me to dive down into this rabbit hole before my coffee so I'm sure I'm gonna miss a thing or two. As we all are, I'm trying to find Cirag. In the dark wheel novel, they're in one place and suddenly they drop out of hyperspace before the planet. Although sometime before, they're in ''South City''. It states that it's a section of a Coriolis station. So there's no exact way of locating their previous destination except that there is only one South City in Elite: Dangerous and it's in the system HURUKUNTAK as an outpost, there is only one Coriolis station in that system. (I'm sure that trail has been picked up sometime in the past...
Theory connects Shinrarta Dezhra's secret location with Dark Wheel activity and Founders World 'retirement' as cover story; suggests troublesome commanders are eliminated via forced surface assignment rather than actually retiring.
Here's the thing ... Shinrarta Dezhra is almost a perfect place to hide Raxxla in plain sight. Already inhabited by evil men? Got it. The Pilots Federation are no girl scouts. They're the ones that insist on tagging our combat rank to our ships ... thus insuring that helpless newbs will always be easy targets. According to Lore Shinrarta Dezhra's location is secret. The Dark Wheel faction are loitering around the system for some unknown reason. If The Founders World IS Raxxla then it is the perfect man trap: Once someone gets too close to the truth they are simply "retired" to the surface and never heard from again. "Hey, what happened to CMDR Ryder?" "I heard he retired to the Founders World." It could be that nobody actually retires to The Founders World. It could be that the w...
Dark Wheel ships no longer carry Trinkets of Hidden Fortune but primarily transport Low Temp Diamonds. Their jump patterns between systems show circular/backtracking behavior that eventually breaks pattern, with no obvious endpoint. Solo tracking is unreliable; wing recommended.
https://Please use another image host/a/5GSB599 This is probably common knowledge, but Trinkets of Hidden Fortune are still in the game, but do not appear to be carried by Dark Wheel ships anymore. Dark Wheel ships they seem to carry primarily Low Temp Diamonds, and occasionally other high value things things. The DW ships jump between a few systems, often backtracking, or going in a circle. Eventually they seem to break the pattern eventually and jump to different systems. Does not appear to have any obvious pattern or end point. If you try to hunt/track DW ships using a wing is highly recommended. It is too easy to lose the ship flying solo.
Thargoid interactions 50 years ago were unrelated to Raxxla specifically but vaguely related to Soontil discovery by one element of Raxxla hunters. Main Raxxla hunting group had not discovered Raxxla 50 years ago.
Yes, I refer to what happened 50 years ago. Btt: what Raxxla concerns, we even do not know exactly what Raxxla is, that it is a planet or system is just one possibility of many. EDIT: today I just printed out "The Dark Wheel" and I'm looking forward reading it at the weekend . Click to expand... I'm 99% certain that the Thargoid interactions that occurred around then were entirely unrelated to Raxxla specifically. They were however vaguely related to the subsequent discovery of Soontil by one element of what were Raxxla hunters. So, we know that Raxxla had not been discovered by the main group searching for it 50ish years ago. It's possible that it was discovered since then, but we have no additional data.
The Children of Isaac El-Pelere (CIEPers) separated from the Dark Wheel because they located Soontill and established it as a base of operations, viewing it as an easier target than Raxxla.
The only thing they found out is Soontill. No more mention on Raxxla?...Only people with full knowledge of the lore can be more specific. Click to expand... The understanding that I get from reading And Here the Wheel is that the CIEPers broke away from TDW because Soontill seamed like an easier target and apparently it was because they did locate Soontill and setup a base of operations from there. You are right ... there is no indication that The Dark Wheel ever found Raxxla though it is interesting that The Dark Wheel minor faction seems to have settled down in Shinrarta Dhezra and we don't really see there vessels out scouring the galaxy as one would expect if they were truly still off on the quest. The only mentions in the "new lore" that I'm aware of are in And Here the Wheel wher...
The Dark Wheel minor faction appears to have settled in Shinrarta Dhezra rather than continuing to scour the galaxy for Raxxla, suggesting either they abandoned the quest or found what they sought.
The only thing they found out is Soontill. No more mention on Raxxla?...Only people with full knowledge of the lore can be more specific. Click to expand... The understanding that I get from reading And Here the Wheel is that the CIEPers broke away from TDW because Soontill seamed like an easier target and apparently it was because they did locate Soontill and setup a base of operations from there. You are right ... there is no indication that The Dark Wheel ever found Raxxla though it is interesting that The Dark Wheel minor faction seems to have settled down in Shinrarta Dhezra and we don't really see there vessels out scouring the galaxy as one would expect if they were truly still off on the quest. The only mentions in the "new lore" that I'm aware of are in And Here the Wheel wher...
Hypothesis that the Dark Wheel faction at Founders World is a front operation, with core members departing to establish a new faction called 'Children Of Raxxla' while maintaining the original as cover. Salome storyline and HR 6421 region cited as potential evidence.
Founders Worlds is not connected to Raxxla hunt. I tried anything i could think of for a week there with no result. My Theory: The Dark Wheel faction in founders world is just a front...Simply The dark Wheel started to gather unwanted attention and wanted to make a new start. The Core members of the group left the faction and recruit some noobs in their place just to run The Dark Wheel and then they start building the new faction (The Children Of Raxxla) with new elite members while they stay in the dark. The Salome storyline fits perfectly into that and its even mentioned on their website. Maybe in HR 6421 there might be some clues.
Dark Wheel missions may relate to undiscovered celestial bodies or myths in the outer rim rather than Raxxla itself, as game mechanics and background have evolved significantly since Holdstock's novels.
That's the point imho, Doc. MB is no longer here to get the sequel running in this game. Since DW and MB left, there has been only Thargoid and Guardians stuff here. And of course Raxxla is here because of Holdstock's novels. What I mean is I doubt they can help us to find R because the MW and our jump capabilities have evolved since. The game background has changed. Now, if you are right and the E/F missions are not related to R, then it may be very interesting to find what they are related to. A new Myth ? A new celestial body obfuscated in the outer rim ? wow.... Click to expand... I'm not suggesting that the E/F missions aren't related to Raxxla. All I'm suggesting is that there isn't anything in-game that would suggest a connection. It's the Holdstock novella that gives those mis...
Theoretical connection proposed between the Elite Federation of Pilots player organization and The Dark Wheel faction, with skepticism raised about whether players would know their own identity if this were true.
Just had a realization. The Elite Federation of Pilots = The Dark Wheel. Click to expand... I honestly don't believe that this is the case. If it were then why don't we, members of the Elite Federation of Pilots, know our own identity as members of The Dark Wheel?
Analysis that 'outer rim' reference in Dark Wheel missions could refer to multiple interpretations: outer rim of galaxy, Solar System outer rim, or bubble frontier. Suggests exploration pattern along 190Ly from Ticushpakhi distance-based hints rather than literal rim.
Not quite. We've just always assumed that those missions were a reference to Raxxla. Click to expand... Oh yes, Doc. I meant The Myth. Sorry. The Myth is obfuscated in the outer rim. I just hope we are not chasing Cirag, Soontill (the true one) or Shangri La, but just chymeras as most of us are fond of ... Aren't we, Doc ? But first we need to know: outer rim of what and when? Click to expand... A Cmdr is telling to another Cmdr about the outer rim. What could he possibly be speaking about ? He is located out of the Solar System when speaking. So imho we can reject the 'SS outer rim', besides we never heard of such thing... Could be the outer rim of the Bubble which is what I am exploring due to the '190 Ly from Ticushpakhi pattern' of the E/F missions. But again, I seriously d...
Empirical test result: achieving allied status with The Dark Wheel across multiple accounts produces no unlockable content or special effects.
Has someone tried to become allied with the dark wheel (Shinrarta Dezhra), to see if it has any effect? EDIT: or with any other faction even remotely linked to Raxxla, for what it's worth. Click to expand... Yes. I've been allied with The Dark Wheel across at least two accounts. Doesn't appear to unlock anything special.
Suggests testing whether becoming allied with The Dark Wheel faction at Shinrarta Dezhra unlocks special effects or access to Raxxla, similar to other in-game unlock mechanics.
Has someone tried to become allied with the dark wheel (Shinrarta Dezhra), to see if it has any effect? EDIT: or with any other faction even remotely linked to Raxxla, for what it's worth.
Raxxla is not a chance discovery but a gated quest requiring reputation, rank, permits, and lore knowledge, with The Dark Wheel faction serving as the pointer to the solution. It's an easter egg for original Elite fans.
Imho and I really hope it is so, we will not find Raxxla by chance, eventually jumping in a system et voilà... Nor will it be identified by this name (or does the PF know AND want us to know too???). It's a personal journey, a Quest. It requieres a parcour, things like ingame clues, rep, rank, permits and some knowledge of the lore. A young noob who never has heard of The Myth wouldl not be able to even recognize it, and possibly doesn't care. And meeting a faction called The Dark Wheel (the obvious tiny part, the "Look there" pointing arrow) neither would ring him a bell. It's an easter egg for fans of the first days of Elite. Who else knows about a certain celestial body, The Myth. You know what I am telling about. ?? Proof: FDevs never have advertised Raxxla. They never even explained ...
Literary evidence suggests Dark Wheel uses public-facing trivial missions (thrumpberry runs to Hutton Orbital) as deliberate misdirection to keep 'treasure seekers and wishful thinkers occupied' while actual operations remain hidden. Shinrarta Dezhra missions are decoy activity.
Sirius Corp isn't a shadowy, secret organization, unlike the REAL Dark Wheel. If I wanted to run a secret organization, I'd definitely set up a public one with the same name. Perfect obfuscation. Click to expand... You mean something like this ? Spoiler ‘Shinrarta Dezhra?’ The woman laughed, her scorn plain to hear. ‘You think the Dark Wheel advertises on a station board in plain sight? That we need rookie (Elite/Founders ?)pilots to drag a couple of tonnes of thrumpberry flavouring across to Hutton orbital? A trivial ploy to keep the founders amused.’ ‘I’m gratified to hear it,’ Thorn replied. ‘You had me worried for a moment.’ ‘It was a little too obvious,’ the second man agreed. ‘It keeps the treasure seekers and wishful thinkers occupied (Rifters ?),’ the woman said. ‘Th...
Reaching Elite rank and maximum reputation with Dark Wheel faction at Ticushhpaki (Peral) and Maryacoch (Chamitoff) may trigger dialogue or reputation changes indicating progression toward Raxxla access.
Ok, there you go.. Click to expand... Wow ! I have been looking for them since the last beta ! Thx ! Lots of speculations but no science going on lately from what I can tell! Please prove me wrong though. Click to expand... Well, if you are interested in the ancient E/F missions and want to look into them... what about some elementary geometry ? Plot the clusters where they appeared first, then the other three, look at the distances between them and draw your own conclusions [yesnod] And if you want make me a favour, as soon as you reach Elite, get allied with TDW at max rep, then fly to Ticushhpaki (Peral) and Maryacoch (Chamitoff), note the rep you have with the commanding faction and the first speech of welcome before doing any mission for them. Nothing special ? I would like ...
Raxxla discovery may require a personal journey: achieving Elite rank, becoming allied with Dark Wheel faction, then completing undisclosed quest steps. Access would be individualized and permit-like.
I hope Raxxla is not findable through simple eyeballing, but after a succession of deeds and achievements which grant its 'deobfuscation', and only for the one who completed the 'personal journey'. Like earning a permit to some locked system. A Quest. I hope the starting point is TDW faction (getting Elite the first step, then allied with TDW, then ...), even when I suspect the storyline being on standby, working as intended... That would add some so much in need depth to the game. And the Oolite version of Raxxla, being not a simple planet but a 'witchspace', a network of 8 (did I say eight ? ) portals in the MW (did I say in the MW ?) fits... a lttle. Because we know that The Myth is a celestial body. So, 8 bodies ('Raxxla-1' to 'R8') homing a portal which interconnects them. N/S/E/W/U...
SAP 8 Cores and associated prohibited military research materials may be raw components for constructing a specialized FSD or metadrive. The Dark Wheel faction and systems like Sirius and Alioth may be connected to processing these materials into functional technology.
Tried selling trinkets, sap 8, and the prohibited research stuff to The dark wheel, and a few other factions with no results. Note: have not yet tried selling a whole set ( all the items the mil couriers carry). Flew to a ton of stations, and did not see any missions related to the cargo. Bevan's Hope seemed to have a much higher spawn rate of mil couriers than altair. Next I am going to chase down a possible link to the "metadrive" mentioned in galnet a while ago. ( sirius & alioth) Perhaps the cargo is the raw materials to build something ( possibly new fsd), and only a specific faction can build it for us? Edit: There were a few stange npc names. One har the name of the writer of " the dark wheel" ( in altair). Probably just random chance, but still strange. The other was like 3 group...
Theory suggests scanning Dryu Bra XX-L a9-0 specifically after getting Dark Wheel allied status and returning with unexplained cargo (UC) data to sell back to faction. The 'RA XX-L A' naming pattern in system names may be a deliberate clue embedded in galactic map.
Man are you seriously asking me to go back 1.370 ly to Dryu Bra XX-L a9-0? Click to expand... Not at all! I'm asking you to: 1. Clear your save 2. Buy a Cobra III 3. Get allied with the Dark Wheel 4. Fly 35kLY to Dryu Bra XX-L a9-0 5. Scan it 6. Fly 35kLY back to Shin 7. Sell the UC data to the Dark Wheel Off you go, there's a good chap So we keep assuming the 'ED Raxxla'-thing, whatever it is, may be in a RA XX-L A named system ? And they said there would be no clues... Must be the "a tiny bit obvious"-thing Anyway, it seems the PF and Catographics know very well the location, then. So kind, they even put it in our GalMaps ! Click to expand... They know the system is there, but they don't know that Raxxla is in the system - which is why you'll never see a planet name...
Dark Wheel mission givers formed a pattern moving from the center of the Bubble to its rim across 4 clusters, correlating with Robert Holdstock's 'The Dark Wheel' book where Raxxla first appears in canon.
I think the ‘tiny bit obvious’ thing referes to the texts in the mission descriptions. «A certain celestial body. Place that isn't a place, door that is also the key. The myth.» That’s a tiny bit obvious, isn’t it? The problem is that these texts may not have any other function than being an ingame confirmation of the existance of Raxxla. We can’t be sure that they give any hints to the whereabouts or nature of it. Click to expand... These missions disappeared with 2.1. and MB leaving ED, afaik. They were clearly related to TDW faction. RH's book TDW is where Raxxla appears first (right, Doc ?). Quite obvious indeed. But past glories, imho... Pointless, currently. The thing is, the mission givers (4 clusters) moved in a pattern, from the center of the Bubble (1)to the rim (3, and ...
The Dark Wheel symbol analysis reveals connections to Jörmungandr (World Serpent) and Ragnarok mythology, with possible symbolic meanings related to cyclical destruction and temporal loops relevant to Raxxla's nature.
Symbology of the Dark Wheel Hi, if this has already been mentioned then sorry. It's just there's 201 pages of this. Though I did do a search and nothing showed up. I also don't know how useful this is, but it's stuff I noticed about The Dark Wheel's symbol and their supposed abduction of Kahina Tijani Loren. Symbols are important to humanity, and can influence someones perceptions of reality greatly. First, I'll s https://i.Please use another image host/yrfrNB0.png Right away there are three very striking symbols to me. The first, is a snake eating it's own tail. That is a symbol that is from the Norse/Germanic religion, the World Serpent Jörmungandr. Once he bites his tail, Ragnarok begins. When he does battle with Thor, Thor defeats him and the blow was so powerful that Jörmungandr we...
The Dark Wheel faction is believed to possess knowledge of Raxxla's whereabouts, suggesting they may be gatekeepers to the discovery.
You realize the Dark Wheel exists right? Click to expand... The Dark Wheel is rumored to already know where Raxxla is.
Original obfuscated missions may still exist in the game but have been limited to Jameson Memorial in Shinrarta Dhur, with no confirmed method to unlock them since their restriction.
Someone mentioned that the original 'obfiscated' missions had not been removed, that FDev had limited them to Jameson memorial in SD but no one has been able to unlock them since. Can anyone cite a reference to a Dev stating this? Raxxla may have always been in the game but have FDev moved the goal posts.
SAP 8 missions appear to be connected to Dark Wheel activities and Shinrarta Dhur, with an unsolved mystery component that may relate to Raxxla's quest line.
Do we think this is relevant? https://canonn.science/codex/colonia-crash-site/ Click to expand... I suspect not relevant to the Quest for Raxxla, more likely to the Thargoid/Pleiades storyline; but there is apparently something relevant to SAP8 that has never been solved, and I think SAP8 missions are Dark Wheel/Shinrarta-related, so ..........
Game patch fixed mission objectives not spawning for Dark Wheel Wetwork missions, indicating active development of Dark Wheel content.
"Fixed mission objectives not spawning for Dark Wheel Wetwork mission". (Me doing my best seacaptian voice) *The tinfoil! SHE RATTLES"!*
Game patch notes reference 'Fixed mission objectives not spawning for Dark Wheel Wetwork mission', suggesting Dark Wheel missions have specific triggerable objectives that may be related to finding Raxxla.
"Fixed mission objectives not spawning for Dark Wheel Wetwork mission". (Me doing my best seacaptian voice) *The tinfoil! SHE RATTLES"!* Click to expand... I just did 9 Wetwork missions in a row - nothing of note so far. Of course the fix could have been to de-customise them...
Suggestion to map all Dark Wheel mission locations in galaxy map to identify potential triangulation patterns or spatial relationships pointing to a specific location or system.
Another tin foil theory - excuse if already investigated but has anyone taken all of the locations associated with the Dark Wheel missions and tagged them in the galaxy map to see if they point anywhere or triangulate?
Dark Wheel faction disappeared from game after Elite/Federation missions concluded. No appearances in events, GalMap, or tip missions since. Suggests faction either dormant or completely removed from active narrative.
DW clearly told (link somewhere in the previous pages, too lazy to search...) that when he asked FD about the story lines for his writings, he was answered like " No Thargs, no Raxxla ". (Among other things). Reserved to FD. Which makes me think we must consider Raxxla Quest as being independant of anything related to the Rift, the Club, Palin, etc.... I find quite interesting that TDW faction didn't appear anywhere in all the events, GalMap, tip missions, etc...since E/F missions disappeared... Just like it had disappeared from the game too, leaving just an empty name. I must buy that Jurassic-thing game and look for a Raxxlasaurus on a Darkwheel island... Click to expand... I agree that the Reclamation version of the Rift had nothing to do with Thargoids or Raxxla. However, the Pr...
Dark Wheel missions progressed through four location clusters all ~190 ly apart, forming sphere geometry or tetrahedral pattern. Final/stopped location at Varati (Canonn base). Suggests geometric solution to finding missing vertex or center point.
Another tin foil theory - excuse if already investigated but has anyone taken all of the locations associated with the Dark Wheel missions and tagged them in the galaxy map to see if they point anywhere or triangulate? Click to expand... Started around Mariyacoch, then moved successively to three other "clusters" in the Bubble rim, all three at ~190 Ly from where they started, drawing a sphere and his center and/or a regular tethraedron and his center minus one vertex. Find the missing one ? Ended/were stopped in Varati... yes, the very Canonn Varati. All this is in the FP. So, given that MB himself said "Three will be no clues", isn't all this navel gazing pointless? Click to expand... https://player.twitch.tv/?volume=0.8&video=v66487974&time=1h40m30s Although, I bet nobody here...
E/F missions associated with The Dark Wheel faction contained references to a celestial body called 'The Myth.' The cessation of these missions suggests they were the primary in-game reference to Raxxla's location or nature.
Raxxla is a mythical planet which only appeared in The Dark Wheel novel of Elite. The Dark Wheel is a faction in Elite: Dangerous, where it is confirmed by DB there is a planet called Raxxla. The E/F missions, related to The Dark Wheel faction, are the only known reference to a certain celestial body, The Myth. The E/F missions stopped or are on standby. For me: period. Someone might have given DJ a tip, that lead him to inform FD. Click to expand... This fits with his evasive answers and the fact that he has only reached the Dangerous rank in combat in all these years (Inara) while he constantly says he will set up his expedition as soon as he reaches 3E. And following his Twitch, he doesn't seem to feel like being in a hurry...
Proposes that Dark Wheel missions may have been intentional misdirection rather than genuine clues to Raxxla's location. Suggests the real clue lies in what is 'obviously' present in the game that has been overlooked.
Of course there is an opposite interpretation- that the DW missions might have been set dressing and nothing to do with the real location of Raxxla, and were pulled because FD realised the amount of salt that would be generated if that came to light. So the only clue we have is MB’s “you have to make it a little bit obvious”. That cannot have changed, so what is obvious, cos we’re missing it. Click to expand... I don't think there is anything obvious about Raxxla's location. The only thing that is a little bit obvious, is that Raxxla is in the game. The obvious parts are the not so sutle references in the mission texts. I anyone has located Raxxla and kept quiet about it, it's probably because it was found illegitimately. There was quite a bit of file snooping going on in the early da...
A fixed 'Vault' signal near a conflict point moves when approached and leads to a small base with a scanning sensor. Player questions whether this is a recent game addition from latest update.
I have a question. I carried out a mission to destroy ships for the Elite Space Rangers faction, it is in the system 12.13 L from Shinrarta Dezhra. Near the conflict point on the planet appeared a fixed signal - "Vault" when landing it moved. As a result, I found a small base with a sensor for scanning. Q: did they enter the game after the last update?
Triple Elite player confirmed that Dark Wheel missions have completely disappeared from the game; extensive BGS work and ship tracking yielded no current missions.
I'm triple Elite, and have extensively worked for the Dark Wheel; tried BGSing their other bases; tried following their ships etc etc. No missions nowadays.
Request to establish when Sirius Dickensian/Dark Wheel missions stopped being offered. Hypothesis: missions disappeared around Elite Dangerous 2.0 Horizons release (Sept 2015) when ranked missions were redesigned, with no developer clarification since.
Do we know when the SD DW missions stopped? Has anyone kept a log to confirm the date when the missions were last offered?
User completed approximately 10 consecutive wetwork missions for Dark Wheel faction after bug fix with no additional results or progression towards further content.
Dr Who is from Huddersfield, or thereabouts. So true Scytale, so true! Click to expand... All very nice, but why has no-one told Scytale the rose in his post should be white! Sorry, I'm born and bred in Yorkshire and live in Holmfirth. 59 years in the county does things to you[smile]
Two DW missions confirmed still available at Shinrarta Dezhra JM: 'sensitive supply run' and assassination missions. Questions whether all missions are still in-game but spread out and sequenced to build personal journey, fitting with Frontier's silence.
Dr Who is from Huddersfield, or thereabouts. So true Scytale, so true! Click to expand... All very nice, but why has no-one told Scytale the rose in his post should be white! Sorry, I'm born and bred in Yorkshire and live in Holmfirth. 59 years in the county does things to you[smile]
Missions disappeared between v1.5/2.0 update (November 2015), before Horizons release. Change notes mentioned JM (Jameson Memorial) with unclear references to planetary bases not yet in-game at that time.
LOL. There's a link to a one of my previous summaries about half way down the 1st post, just before the "Tourist Spot's in Shinrarta Dezhra" title! And yeah, it's a salt-free reason that they vanished: Bug and/or subsequently Forgotten. Click to expand... doh. I was just reading the first page again last night. Think I need new spectacles, to replace the new specs I got two weeks ago. Or maybe a new brain. Actually could do with a new body too! edit: unlikely to be a bug I think, or rather just a bug; their silence speaks volumes. I think there’s something else going on, perhaps it got mixed up with another storyline so something needs to happen with that before these missions can be reinstated? Just inference and guesswork though.
Developer Adam confirmed in December 2016 'missions feedback' thread that missions should be available in-game, but never clarified if they were simply bugged or intentionally removed.
LOL. There's a link to a one of my previous summaries about half way down the 1st post, just before the "Tourist Spot's in Shinrarta Dezhra" title! And yeah, it's a salt-free reason that they vanished: Bug and/or subsequently Forgotten. Click to expand... doh. I was just reading the first page again last night. Think I need new spectacles, to replace the new specs I got two weeks ago. Or maybe a new brain. Actually could do with a new body too! edit: unlikely to be a bug I think, or rather just a bug; their silence speaks volumes. I think there’s something else going on, perhaps it got mixed up with another storyline so something needs to happen with that before these missions can be reinstated? Just inference and guesswork though.
Two distinct Dark Wheel mission types exist: standard procedural BGS faction missions and hand-crafted special missions. After the wetwork mission bug fix, standard missions yielded no Raxxla progression. Hand-crafted DW missions may be prerequisite for Raxxla discovery.
Following the wetwork mission bug fix a few weeks ago I did about 10 of them in a row for the DW, with no results (was fully-allied with them before starting). I did notice that there are two types of mission: one type labelled wetwork, another type labelled something else that sometimes mentions wetwork in the mission description. I'm not sure any of the missions I did were the special ones though, as I wasn't aware of them existing at the time. Click to expand... I don't think so. I think those are regular procedural BGS faction missions. The DW missions in the OP were hand crafted.
Dark Wheel home system not confirmed as Shinrarta Dezhra; database sources like EDDiscovery would detect and prioritize faction home system information if known. Questions whether ingame methods exist to determine home system through faction mechanics.
eddb.io is run by players. I wouldn't spend too much energy trying to figure out why eddb lists TDW's home system as "?". I've always been kind of interested to see what would happen if they were to expand from Shinrarta though ... Click to expand... Shinrarta isn't their home is what I'm saying, or it would say so. It's run by software like EDDiscovery mostly, not players. Had EDD or another plug detected TDW homeworld, the information would get priority. I could still be wrong, but I'm confident that I'm not. A question remains unanswered: Are there other means to determine a home system (preferably ingame)? I'm a 2 month old player that's only been doing exploration and engineer unlocks, so I don't know about factions.
Questions whether Dark Wheel can expand from Shinrarta Dezhra, speculating BGS mechanics may be intentionally restricting faction expansion as narrative element.
... I've always been kind of interested to see what would happen if they were to expand from Shinrarta though ... Click to expand... Do you think they can? I always found it odd that they haven't and assumed the BGS had a spanner jammed in it somewhere to prevent it.
Pilots Federation established in 2805, 9 years before alleged Raxxla mention in Federal archives. Elite Federation of Pilots (EFP) is a PF sub-group rumored to have secret bases, connecting to Shinrarta Dezhra's role as a Raxxla candidate system.
Lets take a look at Shinrarta Dezhra and what the lore says about it. Most of the lore for the system is linked to the Pilots Federation and can be found in various tourist spots. All of them can be found in these two posts: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Commanders!?p=4752902&viewfull=1#post4752902 https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Commanders!?p=4778787&viewfull=1#post4778787 I recommend reading them in order from 0244 to 0251. Some aspects in these texts are relevant to the validity of Shinrarta Dezhra as a Raxxla candidate system. - Spot 0244 says that PF was established in 2805. 9 years prior to the alleged mention of Raxxla, in the Federal archives. - Spot 0246 says that The Elite Federation of Pilots(EFP)is a sub group of PF. EFP is rumored to have secret bases a...
EDDB.io lists Dark Wheel's home system as '?' rather than Shinrarta Dezhra, suggesting Dark Wheel may not have home system publicly identified or that Shinrarta is not their actual headquarters.
There's also a system called Rattla, btw, never saw it mentioned in this thread. another thing I just saw is that on eddb.io, The Dark Wheel's home system is "?", not ShinraDezh. Is there a way to find the home system through other means?
Pilots Federation established in 2805, 9 years before alleged Raxxla mention in Federal archives. Elite Federation of Pilots (EFP) is a PF sub-group rumored to have secret bases, connecting to Shinrarta Dezhra's role as a Raxxla candidate system.
Lets take a look at Shinrarta Dezhra and what the lore says about it. Most of the lore for the system is linked to the Pilots Federation and can be found in various tourist spots. All of them can be found in these two posts: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Commanders!?p=4752902&viewfull=1#post4752902 https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Commanders!?p=4778787&viewfull=1#post4778787 I recommend reading them in order from 0244 to 0251. Some aspects in these texts are relevant to the validity of Shinrarta Dezhra as a Raxxla candidate system. - Spot 0244 says that PF was established in 2805. 9 years prior to the alleged mention of Raxxla, in the Federal archives. - Spot 0246 says that The Elite Federation of Pilots(EFP)is a sub group of PF. EFP is rumored to have secret bases a...
Shinrarta Dhur has restrictions preventing faction expansions into it and blocking conflicts for station ownership changes, but BGS states apply normally. Dark Wheel currently in Boom state and expansion is theoretically possible with coordinated commander effort.
I only say it is immune to BGS because I was talking with someone one night in Diaguandri. I was bemoaning the fact that I had just returned to the bubble after being out for a few months, only to return and I was locked out of outfitting at Ray gateway because of a lockdown. The other CMDR said that this was precisely the reason he was based out of Jameson in SD because it was impossible to send it into a lockdown, that it was immune to the BGS. I never verified or researched the claim. It made sense to me. Click to expand... Jameson Memorial as a station is immune to Lockdown and other effects because its controlling faction (Pilots Fed Local Branch) is a non-influence faction and so can't have BGS states. Same applies to detention centres and engineer bases. The SD system as a whole...
The Dark Wheel now has an official emblem in-game that may relate to the Elite rank symbol, suggesting a confirmed connection between Elite rank achievement, The Dark Wheel organization, and Raxxla discovery.
TDW seems also to be confirmed being that tiny little bit obvious thing. And now it has an official emblem. It is NOT a mere minor faction, in ED !! Is that the Elite rank symbol ? Seems to confirm the relation: Elite Rank/TDW/Raxxla ? Click to expand... "You should not consider the Dark Wheel a single organisation, gentlemen. How could it survive for so long if it were? The Wheel has many levels, many hubs, cogs, gears and spokes. It is more akin to an affiliation of organisations that share certain common goals. Interlocking in purpose. Consider yourselves now spinning on the outermost rim.' - Page 213. Premonition. the Dark Wheel was never a singular faction, nor THE faction advertising in Shinrarta. "Shinrarta Dezhar?" The Women laughed, her scorn plain to hear. "You think the ...
The Dark Wheel is described as many interlocking organizations sharing common goals rather than a single entity, with multiple levels, hubs, and spokes. This organizational structure may be key to understanding how it relates to Raxxla and why it's difficult to locate.
TDW seems also to be confirmed being that tiny little bit obvious thing. And now it has an official emblem. It is NOT a mere minor faction, in ED !! Is that the Elite rank symbol ? Seems to confirm the relation: Elite Rank/TDW/Raxxla ? Click to expand... "You should not consider the Dark Wheel a single organisation, gentlemen. How could it survive for so long if it were? The Wheel has many levels, many hubs, cogs, gears and spokes. It is more akin to an affiliation of organisations that share certain common goals. Interlocking in purpose. Consider yourselves now spinning on the outermost rim.' - Page 213. Premonition. the Dark Wheel was never a singular faction, nor THE faction advertising in Shinrarta. "Shinrarta Dezhar?" The Women laughed, her scorn plain to hear. "You think the ...
17 Draconis contains a planet named Limbo with Dark Wheel emblem connection. As a frontier system with historical significance, it may be relevant to Raxxla and Dark Wheel investigations.
17 draconis has been like that for quite a while. It's a great spot for bounty hunting. Frontier systems like that are not exactly secrets. Limbo is fascinating name for a planet though. Not really sure what to think about that Dark Wheel emblem.
Dark Wheel official emblem appears identical to Elite Rank symbol and Ship Pilot Preferences tab icon, suggesting connection between personal progression, Elite status, and Dark Wheel/Raxxla.
Or you could say DB just Opened The Door TDW seems also to be confirmed being that tiny little bit obvious thing. And now it has an official emblem. It is NOT a mere minor faction, in ED !! https://i.Please use another image host/LOH8w6c.png Is that the Elite rank symbol ? Seems to confirm the relation: Elite Rank/TDW/Raxxla ? Click to expand... Looks exactly the same (well when not highlighted, this is obviously inversed colours) as the new right panel -> Ship -> Pilot Preferences tab-option: https://i.Please use another image host/dxnvHiB.jpg So either TDW refers to "your personal journey", linking back to your ship and pilot, or maybe it's just re-used assets
Dark Wheel mission quotes may reference Soontill instead of Raxxla, or be unreliable in-universe rumors. Removed missions make verification impossible; investigators may be searching wrong locations based on potentially incorrect quotes.
That's the other problem with the DW missions; we don't know how accurate those quotes are. 1) they're in-universe rumors, so even if we aren't being lied to, they could still be wrong 2) there's the possibility that they're not referring to Raxxla at all, but to Soontill. We could be looking in entirely the wrong places. And 3) the missions were taken down, so we can't be sure if they still even count.
Raxxla permit may require allied status with multiple related factions rather than single Dark Wheel faction, suggesting The Dark Wheel is not monolithic but coalition of groups requiring cumulative reputation.
Already done thousands of missions of all kinds for TDW and their allies since I started playing. Never saw (almost) any kind of consequences.. Click to expand... What level of influence did you get up to at SD? Another possibility could be that to get the offer of a permit for Raxxla you might need to get allied with several related factions- hence the comment that TDW is not just a single faction..just trying to think along FD metagaming lines.
Analysis proposes The Club represents the actual Dark Wheel organizational structure with five individuals controlling distinct power domains: technology, finance, exploration, personnel management, and society. Identifies potential real-world character matches for each Club member role.
Found my notes from my Premonition analysis. I have: Patreus playacts a warmonger but is highly intelligent, frequently wore gloves (ceremonially destroyed at end of book-washing his hands of responsibility?); the Imperial leader behind Salomé's prisoner convoy interception enroute to incarceration at Koontz Asylum wore gloves & he then retained Besieger's services for an assassination (Besieger later killed Salomé). The phrase "my dear" frequently used by Patron Gerrun, Infrastructure, & infrequently by Alessia Verdi, President Zachary Hudson, Ambassador Cuthrick Delaney & Emperor Arissa. Tentative conclusion-Infrastructure is Denton Patreus. also: The Club (appears to be the true Dark Wheel?)- five individuals making money from traders, exploration, Bounty Hunting, CQC Arena, taxes, t...
Theory that the Real Dark Wheel faction once knew the location of Raxxla but somehow lost that information, though the mechanism of loss is unclear.
I thought the Real Dark Wheel knew where Raxxla was, but lost it. How they lost it is beyond me, but that was my impression.
The low-emission Dark Wheel station is separate from Raxxla's location. While Dark Wheel may be a thread to pull for personal journey, it's unlikely they have actually located Raxxla themselves.
The codex says it's kind of "low emissive" station. Possibly unscannable. And not Orbis. Of a new type. Click to expand... That's The Dark Wheel station. Not Raxxla. I doubt they are in the same system. It's fully possible that it's practically impossible to find Raxxla without hints or help from TDW, but I don't think even they have actually located it.
The Real Dark Wheel (not Sothis location) is hypothesized as the thread to pull, serving as the starting point for a personal journey to Raxxla. Both entities are related and present in the Codex.
Right, Herr Professor-Doktor, as usually. [yesnod] It's me. I am so convinced The Real Dark Wheel (not the one in SD) is the thread which is supposed to be pulled on. The starting point to the personal journey... That's why, imho, both TRDW and Raxxla are present and related one another in the Codex. Anyway I doubt Raxxla would be more "scannable" than TRDW base.
Codex describes Dark Wheel station as low-emission and possibly unscanned, non-Orbis type; hypothesis that Dark Wheel and Raxxla are separate systems but Dark Wheel may be necessary to locate Raxxla.
The codex says it's kind of "low emissive" station. Possibly unscannable. And not Orbis. Of a new type. Click to expand... That's The Dark Wheel station. Not Raxxla. I doubt they are in the same system. It's fully possible that it's practically impossible to find Raxxla without hints or help from TDW, but I don't think even they have actually located it. Click to expand... Been considering it since that rumour came out of the beta, and... ever noticed that there’s not much in the way of lights on the Orbis on the Horizons menu? Click to expand... I’ve posted before on my suspicions about the Horizons & non-Horizons menu screens. Wouldn’t be at all suprised to find one is named Raxxla, & the other might be TDW-related; a stealth station would make sense for either (“obfuscated...
The Codex contains a section on The Dark Wheel that references a rumor about a gas giant with 8 moons associated with TDW, presented as lore rather than datamined content.
Where did this tale about TRDW and a gas giant with 8 moons come from, and how reliable is it (not file dipping I hope)? Click to expand... There's a section on TDW in the Codex. It's one of the rumours talked about in there. (Wouldn't be touching it with a barge pole if it was from file dipping )
Analysis of Dark Wheel novella indicates Jason Ryder may have found Raxxla or proof of its existence before being killed; Dark Wheel never possessed this knowledge, explaining the Neptune/Oberon schism referenced in Harper's works.
I thought the Real Dark Wheel knew where Raxxla was, but lost it. How they lost it is beyond me, but that was my impression. Click to expand... According to the original Dark Wheel novella Jason Ryder either found Raxxla or certain evidence proving it's existence. He was killed before he could pass on his knowledge. I don't think there is evidence that the Dark Wheel ever found it and, based on Harper's "And Here the Wheel" I believe the evidence suggests they didn't (hence giving rise to the schism between Neptune and Oberon.
The Dark Wheel was not solely focused on finding Raxxla, but on investigating multiple legendary stories across the universe including fabulous cities, parallel worlds, time travellers, and mythical planets. Soontil and the Formidine Rift are explicitly mentioned as other mysteries pursued by The Dark Wheel alongside Raxxla.
Squadron suggestion Would suggest that, rather than setup a separate FRifter's squad ... we setup a squad that actually fulfills the original intentions of The Dark Wheel, which is NOT just the quest for Raxxla. From Holdstock: "The Dark Wheel was a semi-legendary space unit, star-riders who made it their business to seek the truth behind the plethora of myths and romantic stories that filtered back from all corners of the Universe: fabulous cities, parallel worlds, time travellers, even planets that appeared to be the old 'heaven' of Earth legend. The Dark Wheel was as mysterious and as mythical to the traders of the Galaxy as King Arthur might have been to the first spacemen." Raxxla is just one story out of many. Soontil was another and the Formidine Rift was yet one more. Click t...
Speculation that an opposite faction to Dark Wheel might not be wheel-shaped, potentially called 'The Bright Wing' or similar inverted concept. Explores thematic opposition to Dark Wheel philosophy.
I saw Jorki mention opposites of Dark Wheel at one point, but it needn't be a wheel in that case. Could be The Bright Wing.... Or perhaps just the Illuminati Click to expand... We’re no quite The Dark Wheel, but we are a dim little circle.
Proposes several named opposites to Dark Wheel including 'Bright Ovals', 'White Riddlers', 'Grey Fryers', and 'Sombre Searchers'. Suggests counter-faction with inverted nomenclature.
I saw Jorki mention opposites of Dark Wheel at one point, but it needn't be a wheel in that case. Could be The Bright Wing.... Or perhaps just the Illuminati Click to expand... Hey, welcome back, long time no see compadre! I think the Illuminati already know all the answers, perhaps: Bright Ovals? White Riddlers? Grey Fryers? (yorkies like a fishnchip supper after a hard day’s exploration ) Edit: Sombre Searchers? edit2: still prefer Questers!
Players report receiving messages about Dark Wheel secondary contracts but cannot locate them on mission boards. Secondary contracts appear at the station where the initial mission was accepted, marked with a chain symbol at the top of the faction's mission list.
i've been doing missions for the Dark Wheel and have been bombarded with messages stating "...The Dark Wheel has a secondary contract available for you..." but i don't see anything on the mission board that appears to be a secondary contract, honestly not sure what i'm supposed to be looking for here but wondering if this aspect is restricted on Mac (no horizons)? can anyone shed light on this?
Dark Wheel secondary missions should appear at the top of the mission board immediately upon docking at Jameson Memorial. If no follow-on mission appears after receiving a Dark Wheel message, this may indicate a bug requiring support escalation and evidence collection.
yea, i'm being told (with each message) "Please check the mission board at Jameson Memorial" and this chained icon has not been seen there since (or prior to) receiving this message, only been a week so far so will wait... would board flipping up the odds here? Click to expand... These secondary missions are always shown at the top of the list of missions offered by the faction and are separated from the normal missions. They should show up immediately you dock there. If that’s the message you’re getting & when you dock at Jameson Memorial and open up the mission page there’s no follow-on mission offered by the sender of the message (Dark Wheel in this instance) then you need to take screenshots of the message and mission board and raise a support request as you’ve found a bug. You cou...
Prototype Codex may reveal new Dark Wheel/Raxxla missions soon. Suggests Dark Wheel faction will recruit Elite-ranked explorers, possibly referencing a commander who passed Raxxla without recognizing it.
So wild conjecture time. It maybe the Lavian brandy I found floating out here or the fumes from a split reclamation duct but the imagination tends to wander when you're out in the black this long. Tales of the prototype Codex have me wondering that we may begin uncovering more Dark Wheel/Raxxla missions very soon. Its probably about time then this here sailor began taking their Elite ranking seriously and hand in his data, as I'm expectant a certain faction will be looking for explorers. Taking that is for granted the unfounded rumour that a cmdr walzt right past it in some hurry. All things supposedly being 'Obvious' as someone once said; the Dark Wheel will begin to turn again.
Dark Wheel missions may have been removed not because of Raxxla proximity but due to Guardians/Thargoid narrative shifts. Hypothesis that they could reactivate through Codex mechanics as Frontier seeds clues.
yes, he needs to speak to Jaiotu about Cass A, but since the Dark Wheel “lost” Raxxla & don’t know where it is then I think their toast is unlikely to reveal its location Click to expand... Indeed but I got to thinking, FD seed clues within the game in this fashion - maybe its a red herring maybe not. Dark Wheel missions could have disappeared because they related to the Guardians / Thargoids and not Raxxla and someone jumped foward in the narrative with the Unknown Thargoid probes - who knows twis probably just bugged. Or maybe we were getting too close too soon so they pulled them (most likely). My hunch (and it is just that) is Dark Wheel missions may well pop back to life in regards to the Codex. FD seed Galnet with clues simular to the toast. The Codex to me is FDs attempt to ...
Hypothesis that becoming allied with The Dark Wheel at Founders World may unlock the permit-locked system Polaris (Stella Maris), referenced in Astrophel and Stella poem connections.
1. Mission Report a)Prism: Found nothing special / passed all plnetary bodies in approx. 45 ls distance, no findings / iirc the Nameplate on Hiram's Anchorage wasn't lighte, guess this doesn't count as a darkened station. Guess I'll scrape prims off my list. b) Shibboleth: Went there nothing special / discontinued search will return. 2. Some thoughts on Jorkis idea concerning the start screen: As ist seems the possible target system does never move. Concerning Astrophel and Stella I thought about another unmoving star - Stella Maris, a.ka. the Virgin Star, a.k.a. Polaris our little permit locked system. Did anyone ever try out whether becoming allied with TDW at Founders World unlocks this system? On second thought the poem Verse 22 speaks of "In highest way of heav’n the Sun did ...
Hypothesis that becoming allied with The Dark Wheel at Founders World might unlock Polaris (Stella Maris), a permit-locked system. Polaris identified as a fixed star reference similar to discussion of Astrophel and Stella from verse analysis.
1. Mission Report a)Prism: Found nothing special / passed all plnetary bodies in approx. 45 ls distance, no findings / iirc the Nameplate on Hiram's Anchorage wasn't lighte, guess this doesn't count as a darkened station. Guess I'll scrape prims off my list. b) Shibboleth: Went there nothing special / discontinued search will return. 2. Some thoughts on Jorkis idea concerning the start screen: As ist seems the possible target system does never move. Concerning Astrophel and Stella I thought about another unmoving star - Stella Maris, a.ka. the Virgin Star, a.k.a. Polaris our little permit locked system. Did anyone ever try out whether becoming allied with TDW at Founders World unlocks this system? On second thought the poem Verse 22 speaks of "In highest way of heav’n the Sun did ...
Dark Wheel E/F missions started in one cluster at the center of the Bubble, then moved to three successive rim clusters before disappearing. This spatial pattern may indicate a deliberate progression.
if we took all the known data we do have on the activity surrounding the old Dark Wheel missions and join the dots in a spacial ERD what will we get? Honestly I think it would just be chaos as probably random, which is why I won't tackle it... Click to expand... Old E/F missions started in one "cluster" in the center of the Bubble and then moved to three others in the rim successively. And disappeared. Easy to see this kind of pattern with the data in the FP. Macros did a great work. (I spent months following this track. Found (almost) nothing. If anyone interested in performing an experiment, just ask me. By definition, can only be done once per Cmdr. I don't know if it still works, as much more than a year passed since. Shame on me I didn't take a screenshot at that time... But ...
Codex states TDW recruits through 'discreet test of courage and skill' administered personally. This may indicate recruitment is reputation-based with chained tip-off missions across fringe systems, not just Shinrarta Dezhra.
Codex, TDW: "... only when a suitable test of courage and skill has been discreetly administred and passed." An entire paragraph telling how TRDW is supposed to recruit. Sort of personal journey. Might not be written for nothing. Makes me think of some kind of reputation related thing. Tip off, chained missions... But not only wit the Shinrarta TDW.
TDW codex describes giving tasks to exceptional pilots without revealing themselves; Raxxla missions may still exist in-game but are hidden as chained tip-off missions rather than overt Dark Wheel faction missions.
Codex, TDW: "... only when a suitable test of courage and skill has been discreetly administred and passed." An entire paragraph telling how TRDW is supposed to recruit. Sort of personal journey. Might not be written for nothing. Makes me think of some kind of reputation related thing. Tip off, chained missions... But not only wit the Shinrarta TDW. Click to expand... I was thinking the same. It also says something about that TDW gives tasks to exceptional pilots without revealing themself. Maybe the Raxxla missions are still in game, they are now just hidden as a chain of tip-off missions.
Two current tip-off missions point to fringe systems; first was planetary base (not crashed ship) requiring scan for wetwork missions. Earlier mission text pre-3.3 pointed to Pleiades but text changed post-patch, suggesting dynamic mission content tied to Raxxla search.
Codex, TDW: "... only when a suitable test of courage and skill has been discreetly administred and passed." An entire paragraph telling how TRDW is supposed to recruit. Sort of personal journey. Might not be written for nothing. Makes me think of some kind of reputation related thing. Tip off, chained missions... But not only wit the Shinrarta TDW. Click to expand... I have two current tip off missions. Both systems are on the very fringes of the human bubble. I have images from the first site. It was not a crashed ship, but a planetary base those you have to scan for some wetwork/assisination missions etc. https://Please use another image host/a/PKR9CrC Strangely one of the missions was from before 3.3 and pointed at a location in the Pleiades, but now the text has changed and i...
Dark Wheel missions were removed following 1.5/2.0 update with intent to restrict to Founders World, never migrated to 2.1 mission system. Codex entry confirmation suggests missions may be back in-game. Possible requirements: quadruple Elite rank, alliance with specific factions, and waiting for tip-off missions.
Ironically thinking along those same lines... Its extremely likely the older DW missions were just this, those got dropped for an undisclosed reason / possible bugged following an update. FD never confirmed directly what happened only something was in game... I feel people were getting too close; FD underestimated peoples skill levels and they moved the goal posts. The codex entry is for me confirmation those missions are back in the game. Where/when/how is the big question. Maybe you need to be quadruple Elite and allied with certain factions and wait for tip-off missions.... Find the DW station and obtain some interesting new info....possibly around Raxxla? Who knows...except finally it now gives me the objective for attainment of Elite rank. I've held off grinding this since day ...
Codex entry for The Dark Wheel describes recruitment process: 'only when a suitable test of courage and skill has been discreetly administered and passed.' This suggests reputation-based mechanics, chained missions, and personal journey requirements beyond just Shinrarta Dheriksee.
Codex, TDW: "... only when a suitable test of courage and skill has been discreetly administred and passed." An entire paragraph telling how TRDW is supposed to recruit. Sort of personal journey. Might not be written for nothing. Makes me think of some kind of reputation related thing. Tip off, chained missions... But not only wit the Shinrarta TDW. Click to expand... My operating theory is this: We know where the DW watches. CQC Arena (for finding potential unique pilots), Shinrarta (because of their front), Pilots Federation (to keep tabs on all pilots data and Elite ranks), etc. My thoughts goes like this: The DW's base is in Polaris, orbiting the 8th moon of that systems gas giant. Polaris is far enough from the bubble to remain undetected to the casual traveler, yet close e...
Finding Dark Wheel station and obtaining new information could lead to Raxxla discovery. Players underestimated skill levels caused Frontier to 'move the goal posts' on difficulty.
Ironically thinking along those same lines... Its extremely likely the older DW missions were just this, those got dropped for an undisclosed reason / possible bugged following an update. FD never confirmed directly what happened only something was in game... I feel people were getting too close; FD underestimated peoples skill levels and they moved the goal posts. The codex entry is for me confirmation those missions are back in the game. Where/when/how is the big question. Maybe you need to be quadruple Elite and allied with certain factions and wait for tip-off missions.... Find the DW station and obtain some interesting new info....possibly around Raxxla? Who knows...except finally it now gives me the objective for attainment of Elite rank. I've held off grinding this since day ...
Dark Wheel operates a dark toroid station orbiting the eighth moon of a gas giant. Location may be discoverable via FSS scanning or by achieving Allied status and Elite rank with the faction to reveal hidden navigation data.
Don't follow me, I'm lost. Click to expand... You came up with some really good leads. I'm here, at the moment: > Find any connection to the Dark Wheel. It's likely that we'll need their help in order to unravel the mystery. The only clue we have is that their dark, toroid station orbits the eighth moon of a gas giant. It might be able to be located via FSS, or else we'll need to really get in bed with their faction, get to Allied status, maybe be Elite, and see if their decoy can be of any use to us. > Investigate sonnet 9. IRL, it's a description of Stella's wonderful face, but when Stella is a (group of?) spiralling star(s), it is likely a description of our destination. "Hath his front built of Alabaster pure;" The front of the system/nebula/location is a bright white, very like...
Codex entry reveals Dark Wheel initiates contact themselves after testing courage and skill. Suggests achieving specific reputation and/or rank is necessary before Dark Wheel makes contact, implying a personal progression requirement.
Thx Si, you are so kind. [yesnod] Now, the wiki: http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/The_Dark_Wheel "The Codex provides a clue on how to join: "It is futile to attempt to contact the Dark Wheel of one's own initiative. However - it is they who always initiate contact, initially in disguise, revealing their true identity once a suitable test of courage and skill has been discreetly administered, and passed. Seems clear that you have to achieve some kind of rep and/or rank. [I]Personal journey ? [/I]Now this: The Codex tells our Anglo-Saxon friends to search for Raxxla [I]on the front of the...etc, [/I]Our German friends[I] in der Stirn. [/I]Portughese[I]: na fronte. [/I]French[I]: sur le front. [/I]All meaning the same, very poetic but definitly not very usefull. But our Spaniards fr...
Main menu video appears to show Dark Wheel station with F-class star in relatively close proximity; station design and stellar characteristics provide limited triangulation data for location inference.
Ok, here comes CODEX screenshots of what is important in my opinion: At first, it's the DW article about joining DW: https://i.Please use another image host/HcmhaZN.jpg So, you "unknowingly" follow some path, and afterwards you are contacted by DW. Next one is that spacestation part: In CODEX: https://i.Please use another image host/z9qdDxu.jpg In main menu video: https://i.Please use another image host/zp1vu9L.jpg We safely can assume that in this video we see that darkwheel station (if we forget about lower part of the video, with SRV) Not much data for triangulating the exact location, but the star seems to be at least F-class, and it's rather close. Can't decide on the type of a planet, someone with better experience in exloration could give a hand here. Now that toast/pledg...
Codex states fake Dark Wheel operations get 'shut down'; questions whether Dark Wheel faction in Shinrarta Dezhra is genuine organization or imposter that has escaped detection mechanisms.
Hi all, have been reading the thread with interest for a while now, anyway just something In noticed in the Codex today and thought I'd see what you lot make of it. So in the Codex regarding the Dark Wheel, Felicity Farseer says, "Now think about how easy it would be for some two-bit band of hucksters to pass themselves off as the Dark Wheel and start trading on their reputation. Doesn't happen, does it? Not for long, anyway. Whenever someone tries to usurp the Dark Wheel name, sooner or later they quietly get shut down, And thats how I know." So does this mean that the Dark Wheel in Shinrarta Dezhra are in fact the genuine Dark Wheel? and if not then why have they not yet been "shut down"?
Dark Wheel station operates in silent running mode, making it undetectable by normal scans and FSS. System may not be honked/reported to EDDB, and unreliable developer claims suggest station location research faces fundamental discovery barriers.
Too much gas giants with 8 moons. Like, literally, thousands of them, even close to the bubble. I've seen a databse dump, for wich you can querry all bodies, ending with "H", so that kind of list is compilable, but still, i'd guess we need to at decide on a region of search. (Database dump can be found here https://eddb.io/api) Also, there's no guarantee that system was honked and reported to EDDB/ADSM. There was rumor about either system with DW station being honked, or ssytem, containg raxxla, being honked (if those are really diffrent systems), but that rumor never got any solid proof, the best i heared is that some dev said that on some of offline meeting, so no records of that exist. The station on the intro screen does look like it could be the DW one, but that shot is almost 10...
Meta alloys may break light and render a station invisible. The Dark Wheel station could be equipped with meta alloys and operating in silent running mode to avoid detection by standard scans, requiring manual search.
The station is rumored to be in 'silent running' mode, letting little heat escape. Therefore it will not show on any scans. You'll have to manually search for it. Click to expand... I've heard that meta alloys can break the light and make a station invisible. Maybe the station Dark Wheel is equipped with meta alloys.
The Dark Wheel station may have remained undiscovered by utilizing Raxxla's alleged power to move indefinitely, possibly by learning how the technology works or integrating it aboard their station.
I'm assuming it would have been reachable with much earlier and shorter-ranged hyperdrive systems than a modern engineered FSD) to try and find The Dark Wheel station. Click to expand... I see this idea a lot, but I honestly speculate that with how long they've been undiscovered, The Dark Wheel may have utilized Raxxla's fabled power to move their station indefinitely. Perhaps they learned how the technology worked, or moved the tech on-board. The most likely explanation is that they've remained hidden for so many years because we're chasing shadows.
After ferrying passengers to nearby systems, a lucrative assassination mission was offered by the Dark Wheel faction, possibly indicating a multi-step recruitment test designed to identify worthy candidates for inner circle access.
It is generally assumed that the Dark Wheel in Shinrata is a faction using the Dark Wheel's name for their own gain instead of being the real deal. Click to expand... No it’s not! Felicia Farseer said in a recent galnet article that Dark Wheel imitators only lasted a short time before they “disappeared”. DW faction in SD has been there quite a long time, therefore they are the real DW! (Or at least part of the real DW concentric circles). As for the missions, the original missions disappeared a year or so ago, but I was recently offered a secondary lucrative assassination mission by them after just ferrying 10 passengers about 16ly (to a nearby tourist system), which was also very lucrative; it may be that was part of the recruitment test (I declined on RP grounds, so can’t confirm), m...
Felicia Farseer confirmed that Dark Wheel imitators disappeared quickly, meaning the long-standing Dark Wheel faction in Shinrarta is genuinely part of the real Dark Wheel organization operating in concentric circles. Secondary recruitment missions have recently been observed.
It is generally assumed that the Dark Wheel in Shinrata is a faction using the Dark Wheel's name for their own gain instead of being the real deal. Click to expand... No it’s not! Felicia Farseer said in a recent galnet article that Dark Wheel imitators only lasted a short time before they “disappeared”. DW faction in SD has been there quite a long time, therefore they are the real DW! (Or at least part of the real DW concentric circles). As for the missions, the original missions disappeared a year or so ago, but I was recently offered a secondary lucrative assassination mission by them after just ferrying 10 passengers about 16ly (to a nearby tourist system), which was also very lucrative; it may be that was part of the recruitment test (I declined on RP grounds, so can’t confirm), m...
Historical Dark Wheel quest chains may be locatable using modern game tools (FSS and recent hints). If Raxxla is accessible, Dark Wheel breadcrumbs should be discoverable through similar methods, suggesting a systematic approach to finding hidden Dark Wheel content.
I would think you should meet any requirement to be reached out to by the Dark Wheel in any case. The only thing I could think of other than the pilots federation ranks would be your reputation with the navies. I haven't played regularly in two or so years; wasn't there a small quest chain you could find by getting close with the Dark Wheel back in the day? I want to find those and see if there are any leads to follow up on with the FSS and the new hints we have now. Assuming the Dark Wheel and Raxxla are related, and if Raxxla has been accessible all along, I don't see why the Dark Wheel content should be any different. It may be possible to locate the breadcrumbs there with our new tools. Click to expand... It is generally assumed that the Dark Wheel in Shinrata is a faction using t...
The Codex indicates that real Dark Wheel membership and access to their inner circle information (potentially including Raxxla location) requires completion of undiscovered secret quests separate from the public faction reputation system.
No it’s not! Felicia Farseer said in a recent galnet article that Dark Wheel imitators only lasted a short time before they “disappeared”. DW faction in SD has been there quite a long time, therefore they are the real DW! (Or at least part of the real DW concentric circles). As for the missions, the original missions disappeared a year or so ago, but I was recently offered a secondary lucrative assassination mission by them after just ferrying 10 passengers about 16ly (to a nearby tourist system), which was also very lucrative; it may be that was part of the recruitment test (I declined on RP grounds, so can’t confirm), maybe several such are required. Click to expand... Well, if we do believe that CODEX articles can't give us wrong information, tha it's indeed some part of a real DW, ...
Investigation of Shinrarta Dezhra AB 2's moons found nothing on scan. Theory suggests Dark Wheel station may require player invitation or manual visual detection rather than scanner discovery.
I have a theory about the location of the Dark Wheel station. The codex entry for TDW mentions that the station is orbiting the eighth moon of an unknown gas giant. I am also fairly certain, given Felicity Farseer's quote about imitators of TDW being silently removed, that the DW minor faction in Shinrarta is the real deal. This leads me to believe that TDW station orbits Shinrarta Dezhra AB 2 H. I don't know whether this is the right place to post this theory, but the way I see it, if we find TDW, we might get more information on how to find Raxxla. Click to expand... I thought the same, although you could say that's the 9th moon. Anyways I had a scan of them a couple of weeks ago and couldn't find anything. Maybe you have to be invited by the DW first.
Codex states TDW orbits eighth moon of unknown gas giant. Felicity Farseer's reference to silently removed TDW imitators suggests Shinrarta DW minor faction is legitimate, placing station at Shinrarta Dezhra AB 2 H (eighth/ninth moon).
I have a theory about the location of the Dark Wheel station. The codex entry for TDW mentions that the station is orbiting the eighth moon of an unknown gas giant. I am also fairly certain, given Felicity Farseer's quote about imitators of TDW being silently removed, that the DW minor faction in Shinrarta is the real deal. This leads me to believe that TDW station orbits Shinrarta Dezhra AB 2 H. I don't know whether this is the right place to post this theory, but the way I see it, if we find TDW, we might get more information on how to find Raxxla.
Player with triple Elite rank completing Dark Wheel missions reports no special discoveries. Theory proposed that if Elite ranking is required for Raxxla access, single Elite should suffice due to Shinrarta Dhezra connection. Alternatively, multiple Elite rankings including CQC/Arena rank may be needed.
I’m triple Elite, allied with TDW and have been doing missions for them for 2 weeks now. Nothing usually has turned up. Click to expand... Let us know if you get any results after making quadruple Elite. I honestly believe that if Elite ranking is a requirement to unlocking Raxxla then it has something to do with Shinrarta Dhezra and therefore only requires a single Elite ranking. If multiple Elite rankings are required then there is no reason to assume that such a requirement would exclude CQC/Arena rank so ... time to get cracking!
Theory that Dark Wheel has recently scattered hints throughout galaxy (pre-codex entry) and correct interpretation key will lead to their core base. Formidine Rift connections may contain overlooked hints separate from Drew Wagar's original narrative.
The Formadine will have nothing to to with Raxxla. It was Drew Wagars own story that FDev allowed him to have fun with. Even he said he doesn't know where Raxxla is. Click to expand... The Formidine story as it is - agreed, won't be connected, in a way as Raxxla is not a part of it. But it might have some hints that were not a crucial part of original story and because of that got overlooked. Or might be just added. That siren link is just too tempting not to follow it. My take is: we are looking at a series of hints scattered by DW recently (before sanctioning an article about them being added to CODEX) throughout the galaxy, and it's just a matter of finding a correct key as to where to start and how to follow those hints. In the end we find their core base (might need to be alread...
Strategy using galmap bright star filters around Formidine Rift combined with preference for M/T-Tauri and O/B type stars, based on Dark Wheel codex illustration hints. Assumes Dark Wheel station may orbit non-primary star of system.
I saw two ships over the FR sites, an Orca over Alpha and a Krait (not sure?) over Gamma when i was there yesterday. Hung around for a moment but didn't know exactly what to look for, so i decided to be on my way. I've altered my route a bit after re-reading the codex and won't go straight to the Zurara. The "jewel burning on the brow of the mother of galaxies" piqued my interest, so i've bookmarked a few very bright stars in the galaxy map around the Formidine Rift (the ones that can leave a distinct glow even when you filter out all star types). I've also set my route to include mostly M and T-Tauri stars (in case the illustration for the Dark Wheel codex entry is any clue, although in all fairness the DW station might not be orbiting the primary star of its system), and blue ones (O, B,...
Dark Wheel likely scattered hints throughout galaxy before Codex articles, requiring correct key to locate their core base. Alliance status may be needed to access base, which then provides hints to Raxxla's location and The Club connection.
The Formidine story as it is - agreed, won't be connected, in a way as Raxxla is not a part of it. But it might have some hints that were not a crucial part of original story and because of that got overlooked. Or might be just added. That siren link is just too tempting not to follow it. My take is: we are looking at a series of hints scattered by DW recently (before sanctioning an article about them being added to CODEX) throughout the galaxy, and it's just a matter of finding a correct key as to where to start and how to follow those hints. In the end we find their core base (might need to be already allied to their faction too) on which there are hints as to where Raxxla itslef is (and it's connection to The Club?). Click to expand... Oh I GARUNTEE The Club know where Raxxla is, ...
Dark Wheel faction has expanded to LFT 926 and appears on mission boards there, but ground bases are controlled by Pilots Federation Local Branch rather than Dark Wheel. Suggests potential bug related to previous Jameson Memorial changes, but proposes testing whether becoming hostile to Dark Wheel triggers new discoveries.
For those of you who haven't already noticed - The Dark Wheel faction indeed expanded to LFT 926. They now appear on the mission boards there. The ground bases however show The Pilots Federation Local Branch as the controlling faction (2 of the 3 bases). I guess this might be a bug and due to the changes FDEV once made to Jameson Memorial in Shinrarta D, which was controlled by TDW for a long time, but now has TPFLB as controlling faction. While TDW is currently in war, for the first time ever (as far as I remember) this is a really good oportunity to test, if getting hostile to them (for at least some weeks) leads to something. In my opinion, getting hostile to them has always been much more difficult than getting allied. And I think most, if not all of CMDRs have never tried it?
The Dark Wheel toast contains hints about how to find or join Dark Wheel in their hunt for Raxxla, not just what they know. Interpreting the toast could be a recruitment mechanism.
I think the toast contains hints to what The Dark Wheel knows. They obviously don't know everything, as they haven't found Raxxla them self. Interpreting the toast could help us part of the way, but not all the way. I also think the whisper in witchspace and the siren of the deepest void is the same thing. It's the hyperspace sound we hear in every jump. The Raxxla portal probably makes the same sound. We might be able to hear it, farther away than we can see it? Click to expand... Personally i think it's not the hints to what DW knows about Raxxla, but hints to how find/join DW in their hunt for Raxxla. As for the Siren part, there might be a message, coded inside that sound. Had no luck finding it using spectrum analisys in audacity, but someone might come up with a better idea. ...
The Dark Wheel Codex title image contains a star, planet in close orbit, and Orbis-class station with two rings. Analysis of star class, planet type, orbital distances, and proportions could identify the system's location or star type.
May I ask a my noobish question? It is good mystery, so I started to read this topic. Was there some investigation of the picture from DW Codex title? I mean that star, planet and part of station. May be someone checked sizes and proportions for star and planet? Star class? Distances? If it is old picture, sorry. I think people still looking for the true DW station as a trail to Raxxla. Click to expand... So... I want to share my own minds about it. In that picture... Station. Definitely Orbis type with two rings. Common construction. I viewed same in some systems. No any original details. Planet. Unfortunately I haven't minds about it. It may be moon or planet itself. Gas giant? Ice body? Stone? I don't know. Very close orbit to star. It is one detail. But which star is? Arrival or n...
Achieving Elite status in any discipline may trigger invitation missions or clues at POIs/tourist beacons leading to Dark Wheel contact and subsequent mission chain to Raxxla.
Would be disappointing if the personal journey turned out to start by "just jump into the right system, even by chance, et voilà". But with FD, who knows ? Click to expand... I've been musing about this too the last few days. What is the most personal journey of all in ED? Becoming Elite. Everyone does it in a different fashion, and in a different order. Exploration first for me, then trading, then combat - and I know of plenty of others who detest(ed) exploration so left it til last, or hated the grind of raw trading back and forth so left that one too. So yeah, my money is on getting Elite, and then getting a tip-off mission invite somewhere, or a clue off some POI or tourist beacon somewhere that eventually leads to the Dark Wheel station, which leads to a mission chain which ends...
CIEP lore indicates combat Elite status may be a basic requirement for station access, suggesting similar prerequisites apply to Dark Wheel faction membership.
At the start of chapter 13 of 'And Here the Wheel' the location of a CIEP space station. Without spoiling to much the CIEP and The Dark Wheel are somewhat similar organizations. It is supposed to be vaguely near human space, and in a system which contain a red dwarf, asteroid belt, and a blue-green gas giant (which the base supposedly orbits). The book also mentions that the station is spinning such as to generate Imperial standard gravity which suggest it is likely near imperial space. This may present, in the short term, a more tractable target than the potential Dark Wheel station. (Assuming Fdev put this base/station into the game.) If the requirements for invitation to the CIEP and TDW are similar it would suggest being combat Elite is a basic requirement. The CEIP favor small ship...
Achieving Elite rank may trigger tip-off missions or clues at POIs and tourist beacons leading to Dark Wheel station and ultimately Raxxla. The journey to Elite mirrors the personal path to Raxxla discovery.
I've been musing about this too the last few days. What is the most personal journey of all in ED? Becoming Elite. Everyone does it in a different fashion, and in a different order. Exploration first for me, then trading, then combat - and I know of plenty of others who detest(ed) exploration so left it til last, or hated the grind of raw trading back and forth so left that one too. So yeah, my money is on getting Elite, and then getting a tip-off mission invite somewhere, or a clue off some POI or tourist beacon somewhere that eventually leads to the Dark Wheel station, which leads to a mission chain which ends at Raxxla. Click to expand... I'm going in the same direction. Also from the book Elite: The Dark Wheel - Robert Holdstock, a little bit obvious tinfoil CHAPTER THREE The b...
Dark Wheel leadership descended from Ryder family selecting elite pilots each generation suggests origin from generation ship lineage. Dark Wheel station may be a darkened generation ship with habitation rings.
Also, the head of the Dark Wheel is a decendent of other heads of TDW, namely the Ryder family. They select the best and brightest of each generation of pilots to become members. It would make sense that the emphasis on generational selection would come from a group that possibly came from a generation ship, no? It would also explain the 'Dark Wheel' station as it would be a darkened gen-ship with a set of habitation rings. Click to expand... Should we try getting Allied with the Ryder Revolutionary Party in Maia?
The visible Dark Wheel in Shinrata may be a decoy. The actual Dark Wheel selects rare exceptional commanders across generations and approaches them covertly through disguised job offers. Triple elite commanders might dismiss these random missions without realizing their significance.
Ok, I'm new here, but I have a theory which I cant see many people discussing..... I think there is a good chance that The Dark Wheel in Shinrata are fake. Not least because they operate in the open, but also because lots of people have allied with them and found nothing. If this is true, then the lore and rumours imply that you need the "real" dark wheel's help to find Raxxla. The real dark wheel only accept a few exceptional commanders from each generation and it is pointless trying to find them.... they have to approach you.... Initially in disguise. I believe there are only a few hundred triple elite commanders. Perhaps when 3xelite cmdrs get a random 50k credit job pop up, whilst in-flight, from a random fraction they have never heard of, they dismiss it out of hand, when in fact it'...
Both Luko and Rebecca appear to have been Dark Wheel assets or agents. Salome was only 'spinning on the outermost rim' of the Dark Wheel, suggesting multiple layers of membership and involvement.
Btw, anyone here thinks Luko was a TDW agent/asset ? Click to expand... Both Luko and Rebeca, I think. Salome was just 'spinning on the outermost rim' of the Dark Wheel.
Egyptian goddess Neith analyzed as fitting Dark Wheel cosmology: primordial creator, war/hunting goddess, associated with solar mythology and the inscription 'No one has laid open the garment by which I am concealed.'
Mother goddesses tinfoil The virgin mother goddess that gives birth to the universe, seem to be an important aspect of the Dark Wheel toast. One goddess that seem to fit nicely into the story, is Neith. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neith https://shirleytwofeathers.com/The_Blog/powers-that-be/neith-the-first-one/ Neith is a primordial creator, war goddess, goddess of hunting and weaving. She is the mother of Ra, Apep, Sobek and Heka. She is said to have always excised and to have created everything. Her tempel in Sais had the inscription: "I am the things that are, that will be, and that have been. No one has ever laid open the garment by which I am concealed. The fruit which I brought forth was the sun" Other interesting descriptions: - “Opener of the Sun’s Paths in all her stat...
Persephone (2G ice world in Sol system, 400k LS from Sun) contains Primary Transport Authority installation. Scanning triggers attack scenario with ships named 'Dark Aspirant'. Suggests Dark Wheel connection in Sol system.
Persephone is the last planet (system map, not orrery) in the Sol system, a landable 2G ice world, 400k LS from the Sun. Has a government installation in orbit named Primary Transport Authority. T7 named WayFinder piloted by Neil Horsburgh flew around for a while. Scanning the installation starts a scenario where it gets attacked by ships with names like Dark Aspirant or similar. The installation asks for help defending, but I had to run away as I wasn't in a combat ship. Click to expand... Thanks for the hint. I'll bring a combat ship and will report if anything peculiar happens after/when shooting Dark whatsoevers.
Crashed Thargoid ships were historically found via unregistered comms beacon in Sol orbiting the moon, demonstrating Frontier's complex hidden object placement methods.
Ayn Otori Look up how the crashed ships were found - It involves the unregistered comms beacon in Sol the orbits our moon (check the Cannon website) It's a good example of how complicated Frontier can make things (and I believe slightly bugged) I've found a couple of things that fall under the "slightly weird" category. Tau Ceti has a station (Avogardo Enterprise) that is always undefined with the FSS when I enter the system. Is this relevant or a bug? It's impossible to tell. You just have to fit that tin foil hat and try not to loose all sanity
Station visible in non-Horizons start menu may be TDW (The Dark Wheel) stealth station, referenced in TDW Codex entry, suggesting Raxxla connection to Dark Wheel faction.
I’ve been saying for months in this thread that it’s probably the station shown in non-Horizons start menu screen, with TDW stealth station (subject of TDW Codex entry toast) shown in the Horizons start menu screen. Click to expand... Credit to Cmdr Lachann, Canonn Discord Spoiler https://i.Please use another image host/fhN1HzC.png ... part of it a tiny bit obvious. I think these are the exact words, yes ? TDW faction, same name as The Dark Wheel by RH, where Raxla appears, seems to me quite a tiny bit obvious. Besides, so people know what they are doing. Seems to imply there IS something to DO. The personal journey. But, again, my teribble Anglich might very well fool myself.
The Dark Wheel station is theorized to be an undockable hidden station similar to Zurara, located on the 8th moon of a gas giant. Within 500 ly of Sol, there are approximately 2334 systems still requiring investigation.
Has anyone figured out where that station is yet? Click to expand... Still searching, people still look for the 8th moon of a gaz giant; the problem is in 500 ly around sol (what EDSM and EDDB was able to give us) there still 2334 systems (my own research in progress) that need to be check. I was under the impression the DW station was a different type completely, though I could very well be wrong. Click to expand... Pretty sure myself is will be an hidden undockable station with some audio logs (like the zurara) and once discover maybe Fdev will change it. Only way to know at the moment would be to find something by datamining.
Dark Wheel station design features a hinged hydraulic arm structure with a circular ring mechanism. Internal components of unknown function discovered within station structure, suggesting hidden or interactive elements.
So i'm revisiting this station laser / logo similarity and have gone back to a couple of their stations. https://i.Please use another image host/ywv57DDl.jpg https://i.Please use another image host/07WAtD1l.png That's a hinge, that thing opens, its a hydraulic arm on the end of a hinge. What does that circular ring do, do we think when they open it? Oh and it has some of these inside it; https://i.Please use another image host/KGVNBHzl.png /tinfoil
Raxxla discovery may involve series of complex quests triggered by specific conditions (station discovery, ship naming, combat rank, credits). Mission generation could vary per player, creating personalized quest paths to Raxxla similar to 1984-style missions.
From what CMDRGuru951 has posted thus far, it sounds like there's basically a (long) series of quests missions given by various NPCs, triggered by various factors (mostly finding the right stations, possibly having specific names for your ship, etc.), that we can decode and follow to find Raxxla. All very confusing and convoluted, Braben-style. Click to expand... Maybe it's like the 1984 missions, but more advanced, with set conditions to trigger. Which could allow a personal journey, as the generation of the missions could be different per player. eg: on triggering condition A, have X combat rank and Y credits, it generates TDW mission 1 on your next system jump. Which could clearly be a different system for another player. 5. Exactly where, when, and how are the missions triggered?...
SD (Solar Dynamics?) missions disappeared and have not reappeared, suggesting deliberate removal by Frontier Development. This indicates they were not the route to Raxxla, though something else related to Dark Wheel may be relevant.
^^^ My bad. Thought you were asking about the other 99% of my post ... forget it. Happy to see you keep a good memory, despite all what you are used to say about ! You got me worried, Pa ! As I wrote: Canonn Discord. Click to expand... Ah, as always that MB “unclue” was highly ambiguous. Clearly we don’t know what we are doing! TDW is a feasible interpretation,and I would have agreed with it if the SD missions hadn’t disappeared. They still don’t seem to have reappeared so my interpretation is that they were deliberately pulled for a reason, & that reason is not generally understood within FD, hence some confused FD responses about their disappearance. This suggests to me they were not the route to Raxxla though something else related to TDW may be. But at present I prefer my video...
Some Dark Wheel stations display different backing designs than others, with variations in geometric patterns (4 partial circumferences and a line vs. 3 elements and a dot). Pattern may correlate to station identification numbers or codex entries.
I was looking at something similar. Note this does not have the same backing as the other stations. Not the same as the raxxla image but closer. It has 4 partial circumferences and a line instead of 3 and a dot... Do we have to find the image matching the Raxxla picture in the codex? And which station had all of those plants in the shapes of stuff? And what number is assigned to this station. I had to leave before the timer. It might be on the legs. Maybe the station number helps find it. Like translating raxxla into numbers or something and some of the numbers are the station number... Raxxla = 1812424121. Maybe it's coordinates: 181242(AHA BDB, AH-1 BD-2?) station: 4121 Spoiler https://i.Please use another image host/TM9mNWY.jpghttps://i.Please use another image host/zvTZUOI.jpg An...
Finding and identifying the Dark Wheel station location is critical before other analysis can proceed.
We should at least find the station and planets so we know what it is.
The Dark Wheel station won't appear in EDSM or EDDB databases until officially discovered, explaining why it cannot be found through standard database queries despite menu background clues.
The Horizon main menu background shows an Orbis Starport in a system with an A class star (or O class, it is very bright) and 2 or more bodies, 2 of which are very close. Eddb.io lists 3,964 systems with an Orbis Starport. However, doing this SELECT COUNT(DISTINCT(SystemName)) from [dbo].[tblEDStations]WHERE [Type] = 'Orbis Starport' on my local copy I get 1,991 systems. Better than 3,964, but still too many systems to search. I've found no easy way using edsm or eddb to narrow it further down using this guess for a matching system. Other than importing the edsm nightly dumps for Celestial Bodies and doing a local custom search. Click to expand... I suspect this is TDW stealth station & it can’t be found this way because it won’t be in EDSM etc until it’s been found. I’m no prog...
TDW station unlikely in EDSM; may appear as USS near specific moon with correct conditions or trigger mission chains from unidentified message sources when player is in right location.
I suspect this is TDW stealth station & it can’t be found this way because it won’t be in EDSM etc until it’s been found. I’m no programmer, is that an Excel command line? Click to expand... I think you are right. The TDW station will not be in EDSM. I also doubt the Coriolis station in the standard start up video is significant. That one has blinking nav. lights and seem fully powered.
Dark Wheel missions may be generated dynamically based on specific conditions (combat rank, credits, elite rank, Pilots Federation standing) triggered upon jumping to different systems for each player.
Maybe it's like the 1984 missions, but more advanced, with set conditions to trigger. Which could allow a personal journey, as the generation of the missions could be different per player. eg: on triggering condition A, have X combat rank and Y credits, it generates TDW mission 1 on your next system jump. Which could clearly be a different system for another player. http://www.elitehomepage.org/faq.htm#A5 Click to expand... yeah, that's also what I think. Additionally we probably need an elite rank in combat or triple elite + allied with the Pilots Federation
Codex image shows red star while horizon menu shows white/bright blue star. Star color discrepancy may intentionally indicate Dark Wheel station location.
I assume the image in the codex shows the dark wheel station, because otherwise it would be silly to include it there. The image shows a red star, the horizon menu shows a white or bright blue star. I don't believe that FD would manually change the colour of the star in one of the images to "just" make it less obvious and harder to find. That would be totally stupid. Spoiler { "lightbox_close": "Close", "lightbox_next": "Next", "lightbox_previous": "Previous", "lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.", "lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow", "lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow", "lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen", "lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails", "lightbox_download": "Download", "lightbox_share": "Share", "lightb...
Confirmed: Dark Wheel base is a surface base located on the 8th moon of a gas giant. This matches Codex description of abandoned starport orbiting 8th moon.
An ancient Go-Pro... I didn't realise (as am not Elite yet) that there's a Gas Giant in the Dark Wheel home system with a port around its 8th Moon (pretty sure someone mentioned this is the case). For me, this has to be the reference from the Codex. Figuring out what to do there is the next step to finding Raxxla imo. Click to expand... It's on the 8th moon. It's a surface base.
Crashed Cobra of Jameson (character from original Elite game) may be located within proximity to Raxxla. Family connection to main characters could provide narrative breadcrumb.
I forgot. What about the crashed cobra of the jameson that was the character from the old game. Maybe it's in range of his ship. I think the wiki had info on it. Not new info. But their family as the main characters would be alittle bit obvious. What about the games might lead into the raxxla hunt and other things?
German Codex text analysis suggests potential mistranslation: reference may be to 8+ planets around unnamed sun rather than 8th moon of gas giant. Linguistic nuance critical for system identification.
tinfoil+ Its an trap with that Gas Giant 8+ Moons In my language (its german) we will read in the codex "Planets" but no Moon or Moons. litle question from me: - what is reading in your language (Moon or Planet) ? and so im wondred me about that Codex text because an Planet like Jupiter (Gas Gigant) have only Moons and no Planets. And an Gas Gigant like Jupiter is not the only one that we can calling Gas Gigant. Any Sun is an Gas Gigant too. but this Gigant lit (eLITe = e lit e) It is an unnamed Sun with 8+ Planets. So the codex text is correct and true.
Hypothesis that aging star conditions may have forced Dark Wheel station relocation, potentially triggered by Thargoid interference causing emergency broadcast events discoverable by elite pilots.
Im not too sure if this station is more reasonable. Dont you think this station is too close to the sun because we know it orbits the 8. moon of a gas giant.It should be further away from the sun, not? Click to expand... Stars near the end of their lifes may become enormous. I think that would make a great story if TDW want to relocate their station and miss-jump due to Thargoid interference. If we pull the right strings and trigger some events, maybe. Then they broadcast an emergency call to the elite pilots, etc.
Station location/form likely evolved with game updates (Horizons added planetary surface assets). Current form may differ from original implementation, requiring search methodology adjustment.
I also want to remind you that its being in the game since day 1 does not mean it's still in the same shape. It's probably a station in the beginning, now it's on a non-atmospheric planet and it will be on an atmospheric planet prior to the update. If it's not found by then obviously. I remember DW's post in this thread about the FR myth evolved with the game updates. (they put some assets on the planet surfaces after the horizons update) Too lazy to find it now at 4 am.
EDSM database analysis of gas giants with 8+ moons sorted by estimated angular star diameter. Station proximity to star in Codex image constrains possible system locations to limited candidate set.
Im not too sure if this station is more reasonable. Dont you think this station is too close to the sun because we know it orbits the 8. moon of a gas giant.It should be further away from the sun, not? Click to expand... We've done some research based on that Codex picture. The biggest problem is we don't know the parameters of the "camera" the picture was taken with. It could be cropped from a much wider angle picture, taken from different distances etc. If we assume the FOV is anything close to the default in-game FOV, that station would have to be either very close to the star or the star would have to be very big. I've queried the EDSM database for gas giants with 8+ moons and sorted them by estimated angular diameter of the star as seen from the gas giant's location*. Within 1200...
Main menu video shows Dark Wheel space station with F-class star nearby. Codex entry on joining Dark Wheel describes unknowing recruitment path. Toast pledge mentions 'jewel that burns on brow of mother of galaxies' referring to Cassiopeia.
The Lovers WoW Ok, here comes CODEX screenshots of what is important in my opinion: At first, it's the DW article about joining DW: So, you "unknowingly" follow some path, and afterwards you are contacted by DW. Next one is that spacestation part: In CODEX: In main menu video: We safely can assume that in this video we see that darkwheel station (if we forget about lower part of the video, with SRV) Not much data for triangulating the exact location, but the star seems to be at least F-class, and it's rather close. Can't decide on the type of a planet, someone with better experience in exloration could give a hand here. Now that toast/pledge part: That one looks exactly like a path somewhere: 1. To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies! = Cass Z 2. To the ...
Achieving Dark Wheel recognition (like historical 'The Witch' summoning) may require extensive exclusive faction missions with TDW, never working for their opponents. Elite/King/Admiral rank achievements may signal readiness for summons.
About being "summoned" by TDW (like The Witch was in past times, but for others reasons), just look at how many missions, explo, etc.. you have (had ?) to do to become Elite or King, Admiral, etc... I myself, did dozens for TDW faction. But I am quite sure not enough to get noticed and many less than I did to get full rep/ranked. You want to be called up by TDW ? Work for TDW ! Exclusively. Never for their "opponents". Imho. About the Raxxla logo. Look at it in a "perspective point of view". You are not entering a station, you are coming through The Portal and you can see a Sol-type (symbol) star in front of you, far away. G. A star that... "sings"... a silent song. A whisper. Like the Sirens do. Sound is (was ?) important and just great in ED. Imho.
Elite Dangerous manual contains recruitment text describing an organization that identifies talented individuals and tests them, instructing recruits not to ask questions. Language mirrors Dark Wheel operational philosophy and recruitment methodology.
Just noticed an interesting bit of text in the Elite Dangerous manual, Spoiler You may be puzzled right now as to why you’ve just received this little windfall. Nothing wrong with that – I’d be worried if you weren’t. But now get ready for lesson number one. When a golden opportunity comes your way – and trust me, they’re few and far between, my friend – reach out and grab it with both hands. Sometimes it’s clever to ask questions, and sometimes it’s not. This time it’s not. All you need to know is that my organisation has a very specific remit: to seek out those who have the potential to become real movers and shakers, those precious few with the talent to mould and shape the galaxy around them, to create change on a grand scale. We find them, and then we test them. Consider this y...
The Dark Wheel may summon players based on accumulated faction reputation and missions completed exclusively for them, similar to how elite ranks are achieved. Exclusive loyalty to TDW and avoiding their opponents may be a prerequisite for contact.
About being "summoned" by TDW (like The Witch was in past times, but for others reasons), just look at how many missions, explo, etc.. you have (had ?) to do to become Elite or King, Admiral, etc... I myself, did dozens for TDW faction. But I am quite sure not enough to get noticed and many less than I did to get full rep/ranked. You want to be called up by TDW ? Work for TDW ! Exclusively. Never for their "opponents". Imho. About the Raxxla logo. Look at it in a "perspective point of view". You are not entering a station, you are coming through The Portal and you can see a Sol-type (symbol) star in front of you, far away. G. A star that... "sings"... a silent song. A whisper. Like the Sirens do. Sound is (was ?) important and just great in ED. Imho. Click to expand... It do...
First trade training mission contains a request from a redacted location according to the codex, potentially representing an initial test or clue from The Dark Wheel organization.
In an effort to find any clues as to TDW, I reset my double elite account to start again! Not a mistake as it seems. In doing the first training mission on trade this message popped up. Normally wouldn't think anything if it, but the request comes from a redacted location according to the codex. The first clue and possibly test of TDW? Side note, your first sidewinder does now not come from an anon benefactor but the local power in your system where you begin. Any other cmdr's able/willing to confirm my findings? { "lightbox_close": "Close", "lightbox_next": "Next", "lightbox_previous": "Previous", "lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.", "lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow", "lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow", "...
The Dark Wheel Codex entry's first paragraph describes how the real Dark Wheel shuts down imposters, suggesting the Dark Wheel faction in Shinrarta Dezhra system is the actual Dark Wheel organization. This self-policing mechanism is presented as evidence of authenticity.
I know it's really the only true source we have about Raxxla now, but how is it that we know the Codex entry is a clue at all and not just a red herring? It's kind of like TDW faction in Shin, would this deeply secretive group really advertise their map to their station? Or Raxxla, if that were the case? Unless they needed independent, loose cannon CMDRs to find something, and maybe the riddle is the crucible for the worthy. Click to expand... I've come to believe that the Dark Wheel group in the Shinrarta Dezhra system is indeed the actual Dark Wheel, and I believe the first paragraph of the Dark Wheel Codex entry lends evidence to this assertion. "Oh, they're out there alright. I've never met them, but I know they're out there. Think about how well known the stories are. Now think...
Based on Felicity Farseer's Codex statement about the Dark Wheel eliminating imposters, the Dark Wheel faction operating in Shinrarta Dezhra for years and expanding to LFT 926 represents the genuine Dark Wheel organization, not an imposter group.
I've come to believe that the Dark Wheel group in the Shinrarta Dezhra system is indeed the actual Dark Wheel, and I believe the first paragraph of the Dark Wheel Codex entry lends evidence to this assertion. "Oh, they're out there alright. I've never met them, but I know they're out there. Think about how well known the stories are. Now think about how easy it would be for some two-bit band of hucksters to pass themselves off as the Dark Wheel and start trading on their reputation. Doesn't happen, does it? Not for long, anyway. Whenever someone tries to usurp the Dark Wheel name, sooner or later they get quietly shut down. And that's how I know" - Felicy Farseer, explorer Simply put, if the Dark Wheel organization present in the Shinrarta Dezhra system was not the actual Dark Whee...
The Dark Wheel group present in Shinrarta Dezhra system is likely the actual Dark Wheel organization, evidenced by Felicity Farseer's codex statement that imposters attempting to use the Dark Wheel name are 'quietly shut down.' This enforcement mechanism proves only the real Dark Wheel has sufficient power and reach.
I've come to believe that the Dark Wheel group in the Shinrarta Dezhra system is indeed the actual Dark Wheel, and I believe the first paragraph of the Dark Wheel Codex entry lends evidence to this assertion. "Oh, they're out there alright. I've never met them, but I know they're out there. Think about how well known the stories are. Now think about how easy it would be for some two-bit band of hucksters to pass themselves off as the Dark Wheel and start trading on their reputation. Doesn't happen, does it? Not for long, anyway. Whenever someone tries to usurp the Dark Wheel name, sooner or later they get quietly shut down. And that's how I know" - Felicy Farseer, explorer Simply put, if the Dark Wheel organization present in the Shinrarta Dezhra system was not the actual Dark Whee...
Theory that every system's pirate group is part of or used by the Dark Wheel, too convenient to operate without being eliminated. Nysa pirates connected to Child ship missions.
My theory is that all the pirate groups are part of (or used by) the Dark Wheel. It's just a little too convenient that every single system has a pirate group, and they just operate without being stamped out. The only semi-start that we've had so far, the Nysa pirates were the group that gave that mission that followed the whole Child ship business. EDIT: And Dark Wheel is a democracy. At allied rep, the missions contact is Aide Charlotte Reynolds. The passengers contact is Travel Agent Sylvester Harutyunyan. So we're not talking to their president, heh. Click to expand... Exactly. Does nobody else find it strange that DW in SD is a democracy? Doesn’t seem to fit with their alleged goals. p.s. For old FRifters: Searched about 70 systems in the Conflux but didn’t find anything out of ...
Dark Wheel in Sothis/Duamta is structured as a democracy, with Aide Charlotte Reynolds and Travel Agent Sylvester Harutyunyan as contacts, which seems inconsistent with its alleged covert goals.
My theory is that all the pirate groups are part of (or used by) the Dark Wheel. It's just a little too convenient that every single system has a pirate group, and they just operate without being stamped out. The only semi-start that we've had so far, the Nysa pirates were the group that gave that mission that followed the whole Child ship business. EDIT: And Dark Wheel is a democracy. At allied rep, the missions contact is Aide Charlotte Reynolds. The passengers contact is Travel Agent Sylvester Harutyunyan. So we're not talking to their president, heh. Click to expand... Exactly. Does nobody else find it strange that DW in SD is a democracy? Doesn’t seem to fit with their alleged goals. p.s. For old FRifters: Searched about 70 systems in the Conflux but didn’t find anything out of ...
Hypothesis that The Dark Wheel operates as a conglomerate requiring allegiance with multiple affiliates (possibly six to twelve) to join. Background flag imagery in SD mission-givers' photos appears repeated across the game, suggesting faction structure.
I had an hypothesis which I mentioned a while ago but didn’t get taken up. If TRDW is a conglomerate then it should be possible to join it by getting allied with various (half a dozen? a dozen??...) of its affiliates. What type of faction is DW in SD? The background flag in the mission-givers’ photo is repeated across the game, looks like there are four flags or so-is this another clue? Click to expand... My theory is that all the pirate groups are part of (or used by) the Dark Wheel. It's just a little too convenient that every single system has a pirate group, and they just operate without being stamped out. The only semi-start that we've had so far, the Nysa pirates were the group that gave that mission that followed the whole Child ship business. EDIT: And Dark Wheel is a democracy...
Dark Wheel in SD stopped distributing missions. Felicity Farseer's Codex states Dark Wheel impersonators are quietly shut down, suggesting the SD faction is not the genuine Dark Wheel.
DW in SD have stopped handing out missions, and Felicity Farseer states in the DW codex that DW impersonators get quietly closed down, which seems like a fairly fat hint that the DW in SD is not the true DW. The Raxxla Codex implies that DW don't know where raxxla is as its 'their principle aim' to find it. Of course, if the DW don't know where it is then chasing the toast may not help. That leaves even less to go on though, so at least following the DW might lead to some extra information so that there _is_ something to go on. So in summary, chasing the DW might be the only path available - anyone ever come across Lyta Crane? Only stuff on the oracle (web) is some anime character which seems unlikely - apparently she's a DW expert and could be handy to tap up.. Yelboc.
The center of the Dark Wheel symbol matches the new core overlay on the galmap. The three spheres on the symbol appear to correspond to 'The Void' region. Dragon head points to Erant Marches with tail toward Formidine Rift.
This could quickly be proven or debunked if someone is in the area, I am nowhere near unfortunately Click to expand... Back from work now and am gonna have a look. Other thing I’m sure other have noticed tho, is the center of the dark wheel symbol is the same as the new core overlay on the galmap. The three spheres on the symbol seem to correspond to the region called ‘The Void’. And it would appear to me the head of the dragon is the Erant Marches, and the tail it’s eating is the FR
Commander received identical tip-off mission for same system twice. Previous commander posted list of 3 systems and experienced in-game trouble forcing post deletion, suggesting targeted suppression of mission-system connections.
Cheers. o7 Click to expand... O7 & welcome back CMDR. Back to topic: It might be there actually is something about the Tip Off missions. A while back another CMDR posted a list of 3 system and later told us about some ingame trouble that ended after deleting said post. At that time I had one of those systems as a Tip Off mission but did not follow up on it. Now I have gotten the selfsame mission once again. Coincidence?
Scripted tip-off missions in Pleiades region with black box recovery (4-5M credits) may be connected to Raxxla search mechanisms. Similar mission structure could indicate a search methodology.
The journey continues? Probably a good idea to check on those tip off missions. There was this mission to pick up a black box somewhere in Pleiades region, 4-5 million credits reward, similar mechanism, this was a scripted mission. I have been bothered lately by the artificial nature of our cockpit interferences creating visuals and sounds in space. Maybe those people jumping with their canopy breached, and synthesizing oxygen, really are up to something. A bit extreme perhaps. You know, there could be something strange out there you'd have to see with your own eyes. The topic of sound in space appears every now and then, and it would seem Frontier did seriously consider how these things work in a simulation. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8236 Spoiler https://www....
The Dark Wheel symbol's center matches the shape of the galactic Core region, with other parts corresponding to galactic regions. A 1:1 overlay may point to locations of three orbs marked on the symbol, potentially indicating The Void.
As far as TDW goes, the center of their symbol is the same as the shape of the Core region of the galaxy, and other parts seem to match up to the symbol/galactic regions as well. I wonder if a 1/1 overlay would point us to where the three orbs on the symbol might be. Just by eyeballing it (not precise I know) it appears to be The Void.
Commander Salomé's story began at 46 Eridani with numerous landable planets. Location may hold clues to her Dark Wheel connections or the data she recovered before her death.
Yeah but that was the message we got she sent after she knew she would die. It was something we were supposed to do in the event she didn’t make it. Really it’s the only message we have directly from a DW member. Click to expand... IIrc Salome was a Storyevent bei DW to decide the outcome of his novel. If I were to focus on CMDR Salome I would start, where she started: 46 Eridani. Lots of landable planets. Haven‘t been there, but plan on going there after finishing a certain Tip Off.
46 Eridani is proposed as a location of interest for investigating The Club's operations and potential Dark Wheel presence. Suggests it may contain evidence of Club activity or be a headquarters/base location.
Find out where the Club Partners take most of their Profit. What are their centers of power. Me and my FdL will fly aside ypu on PS4. Hit em where it hurts. But before that we should find out whether there is a left behind in 46 Eridani. Click to expand... 46 Eridani could very well be important I agree. I’ll prolly check it out too. Seems that The Club operates mostly through the profits of the three major powers, but is also known to be highly influential in Sirius Corp, and the Engineer Bill Turner. So perhaps economically disrupting their Headquarter Station in Sirius might also be a good target. Would be a big undertaking requiring a lot of cooperation from many people. But putting Sirius and the Three capital systems into lockdown simultaneously would be something
Codex confirms Dark Wheel's principal aim is finding Raxxla, implying they don't know its location. Suggests TDW can be contacted through establishing a scam organization impersonating them, potentially extracting clues.
As I mentioned before TDW dont know where it is as finding Raxxla "is their principle aim" -says so in the codex... but they might have a few clues to raxxla if you can prise them out of them.. Want to get their attention? Felicity farseer told us how.. set up a scam organisation claiming to be the DW, and they should come looking for you... can you still create player minor factions? if not, whats the next best thing.. YB
Spiky-haired woman in Premonition was Dark Wheel member aboard Rebecca's ship Cor Meum Et Animam at Tionisla graveyard. Suggests Alessia Verdi connection and possible Luko involvement in Dark Wheel.
Ah thanks J, I’d forgotten Premonition, and don’t remember that revelation at all. Must read the books again. Want my young clone Tyko to revisit these mysteries, after he’s got his ships engineered. Mmm, being pedantic how do we know that woman talking about TDW was Rebecca? I always thought she was Alessia Verdi, especially since it was hinted somewhere she was Luko’s daughter and Luko may have been TDW. If Salomé was involved in TDW then he probably inducted her. [edit: just checked in Premonition. The spiky-haired woman was aboard Rebecca’s ship, the old cobra “Cor Meum Et Animam” at Tionisla graveyard but so was Rebecca-the old lady Salomé had met in the hospital. So the spiky-haired woman is in TDW, not (necessarily) Rebecca. Since she was clearly associated with Rebecca I assumed ...
Spiky-haired woman in Premonition identified as Elyssia Fields from original Dark Wheel novella. Dark Wheel medallion is canon per Galnet mention and Premonition description matches fan graphic, suggesting graphic is near-canon.
The spiky-haired woman is almost certainly intended to be Elyssia Fields from the original Dark Wheel novella. The Dark Wheel medallion is canon. It was mentioned in Galnet and appears in Premonition. The description of the medallion in Premonition matches the fan-fiction image that has been circulating about for years. I assume that Drew had that graphic in front of him while he was writing the description so it is safe to assume that the graphic itself is, for all intents and purposes, nearly canon itself. As for whether the woman talking is Alessia Verdi or Rebecca ... I've always assumed Rebecca. The description seems to match. It can't have been Alessia Verdi though. The opening lines from the Children of Raxxla short story preclude that possibility. Alessia introduces herself and g...
In the Premonition holofac video at Salomé's trial, a spiky-haired woman (not Rebecca) represented The Dark Wheel and spoke with Thorn & Lestenio. This character may be Elyssia Fields or a subsequent clone of her, suggesting multiple clones of the same model exist within TDW.
In Premonition in the holofac vid played at Salomé’s trial it is the spiky-haired woman, not Rebecca, who represented TDW and was talking to Thorn & Lestenio. Click to expand... You know what? I hadn't noticed that. I guess when I read Premonition I must have skimmed over that since I was so familiar with the short-story version. Thanks! Might be Elyssia Fields but thought she would have been dead by this time since she was in the original novella. Click to expand... Elyssia was a clone. I think the best explanation is that the spikey-haired woman is a subsequent clone. Doesn’t preclude Rebecca being a member of TDW but is not evidence of that. Need to find a description of Elyssia’s hairstyle. Any other named character with spiky hair? Click to expand... Given that Rebecca wa...
Drew Wagar indicated Club and Dark Wheel are often antagonistic but occasionally work together. The spiky-haired woman representing TDW in Premonition may reflect a period of cooperation between these factions, suggesting Rebecca's Club membership doesn't preclude TDW involvement.
In Premonition in the holofac vid played at Salomé’s trial it is the spiky-haired woman, not Rebecca, who represented TDW and was talking to Thorn & Lestenio. Might be Elyssia Fields but thought she would have been dead by this time since she was in the original novella. Doesn’t preclude Rebecca being a member of TDW but is not evidence of that. Need to find a description of Elyssia’s hairstyle. Any other named character with spiky hair? I interpreted the books as Rebecca was a part of the Club. It could have been that the Club and TDW were associated in the Dynasty plot since I think DW said they were often antagonistic to each other, which implies occasionally they are not and may work together at times. Don’t know, rambling, awakened too early by restless pets, need more coffee..... ...
References Dark Wheel operations still active in distant regions per Elite Premonition, suggesting DW presence 'spinning on the outer rim' rather than inner circle, implying distributed faction structure away from bubble.
Ah gotcha. The DW missions that went missing a while back. Thanks if they do come back that would be interesting. If not I wonder if that’s what Farseer was talking about. Click to expand... ah, but DW in SD are still in business therefore, according to Felicity, they must be the real deal; but not necessarily anywhere near the inner circle -they’re just “spinning on the outer rim”! (Elite Premonition) actually maybe they want thrumpberry juice deliveries!
The Dark Wheel in Sothis/Maia may be sanctioned but deliberately distant operations—a distraction to keep unworthy seekers away from the real Dark Wheel inner circle and their actual plans.
ah, but DW in SD are still in business therefore, according to Felicity, they must be the real deal; but not necessarily anywhere near the inner circle -they’re just “spinning on the outer rim”! (Elite Premonition) actually maybe they want thrumpberry juice deliveries! Click to expand... Whatever the exact relation to TDW the SD faction has they must be sanctioned by the real dark wheel. My money is on a deliberate distraction (another separate faction allowed to use the name with no real connection to TRDW) to keep the keep the unworthy away from the real Dark Wheel and their plans.
Hypothesis that achieving first place in a Community Goal might trigger real Dark Wheel recruitment or Raxxla discovery.
I will laugh very hard if it turns out that you have to place first in a Community Goal to be recruited by the "real" Dark Wheel.
Lore analysis showing that in the original novels, Dark Wheel observed and approached pilots with extraordinary skills, not specifically those with Elite ranks. Questions whether game mechanics can measure this.
In the books, Dark Wheel was observing and approaching pilots with extraordinary skills. Elite status was NOT primary requirement. Click to expand... From a lore perspective they can of course choose who they want to contact. In the game, it's difficult to measure extraordinary skill. Either way, it has to be a concrete measurable gate. Unless it's triggered manually by the devs, that is. I still don't think Raxxla is gated, unless it's in Shinrarta Dezhra.
Dark Wheel Raxxla missions were offered outside Shinrarta Dhezra, similar to Obsidian meta-alloy missions, not exclusively at controlled stations like Neumann.
Checked this morning and Col 70 was on the other side of the moon. The antenna seemed to be pointing in exactly the opposite direction. I suppose it has to do something if it's looking at the wrong half of the sky. Merely single Elite here, closing in on double (trade), but a long way off triple so I hope it doesn't matter! Edit: I wish I'd thought to look for stations controlled by TDW (like Neumann) when I was getting allied! Carto data would have been a lot quicker than data missions and donations from Jamesons. Nothing special on the mission board at Neumann Camp, btw. Is that how the TDW "Raxxla" missions were offered or were they direct like the Obsidian meta-alloy ones? Click to expand... They were offered also outside SD, I did get two offered when I was in Apurui on the mi...
Hypothesis that Dark Wheel found Raxxla but used cryptic 'Alleged Toast' to obfuscate exact location. Suggests two potential POIs: one near Bubble, one extremely remote. Indicates journey may be dangerous or risky.
I've been taking a break from ED for the last two weeks or so but haven't stopped reading this thread or thinking about Raxxla. My thinking has been changing a little, mostly due to alternative interpretations of the Alleged Toast of The Dark Wheel. Apologies for the long explanations but here's the TL; DR: 1: I believe there is potentially another POI related to Raxxla, maybe even two (one close to the Bubble, the other very remote). 2: I believe that at least one past member of The Dark Wheel found Raxxla but used the Alleged Toast to promote the mystery, rather than give an exact location. Whether The Dark Wheel knows, or is able to reach, Raxxla's location themselves is uncertain but it may be a dangerous, risky journey. I'm assuming that the essence of what was in The Dark Wheel no...
At least one past Dark Wheel member may have found Raxxla and used the Alleged Toast to promote the mystery rather than reveal exact location. There may be multiple Raxxla-related POIs—one near the Bubble and another in remote space—with the journey potentially dangerous or risky.
I've been taking a break from ED for the last two weeks or so but haven't stopped reading this thread or thinking about Raxxla. My thinking has been changing a little, mostly due to alternative interpretations of the Alleged Toast of The Dark Wheel. Apologies for the long explanations but here's the TL; DR: 1: I believe there is potentially another POI related to Raxxla, maybe even two (one close to the Bubble, the other very remote). 2: I believe that at least one past member of The Dark Wheel found Raxxla but used the Alleged Toast to promote the mystery, rather than give an exact location. Whether The Dark Wheel knows, or is able to reach, Raxxla's location themselves is uncertain but it may be a dangerous, risky journey. I'm assuming that the essence of what was in The Dark Wheel no...
Commander received 20 courier missions to Colonia; subsequently discovered 7 crashed ship sites and 2 unknown wreckage sites with non-human contact indicators. Crash sites discovered through mythological trackstyle references tied to Alexander the Great travels.
I may not have been initiated into The Dark Wheel but ... ...and the only reason no one has discussed the subject the TDW initiation rites is because we've been waiting for you to get that ball rolling Click to expand... Oh good. Well, I was recently given 20 courier missions from the bubble to Colonia, not boom data delivery, if that's a matter. Since then, 1 week ago today, I have discovered 7 crashed ships sites (not rng wreckage) and 2 Unknown Wreckage sites. The UW sites appear to be something large like pieces of a station, however the logs appear to indicate it is a ship of sorts. 1 crash site has 4 ships and the log for that site appears to suggest non-human contact, as does one of the UW sites. 5 of the crashed ships were discovered through tip offs, all the rest were found t...
Dark Wheel may control access to Raxxla through permit systems, with the Dark Wheel station serving as verification point for worthy inductees. Finding the Dark Wheel station may be prerequisite to accessing Raxxla.
Dark Wheel station could be the key to finding Raxxla The way I see it Raxxla is confirmed to be in the game We are having trouble to find Raxxla directly because Dark Wheel finally found it and hid it from everyone 'not worthy' (speculation) If Raxxla is inside permit locked system, could Dark Wheel be the ones that can issue the permit? So, finding Dark Wheel station may be the first and most important step in fulfilling necessary attunement to enter/use Raxxla (whatever that turns out to be). Some important observations Frontier clearly wants us to find this station. Quote from Codex: "...this starport is still in use, and is the only means whereby the genuine Dark Wheel can verify its identity; new inductees can examine the record and artefacts preserved there, and thus satisfy ...
Lacaille 8760 suspected as Dark Wheel base location based on 'earliest days of interstellar flight' and stations named after astronauts and flight visionaries. Early interstellar flight may have involved pre-FTL technology like solar sails.
Since Raxxla was not in Elite 1984 I suspect that the systems in the old elite only denote the general location, and may not contain Raxxla themselves. Since there are only a few systems from galaxyies other than 1 (that contained lave) and Raxxla was rumored to be in another galaxy in the Elite 1984 sense. So we should be searching the areas around the non-galaxy 1 systems. Isinor being the only permit locked system is also interesting. Totaly baseless ideas ahead: I suspect the dark wheel base is not in these regions, and is much closer to Sol. Specifically Lacaille 8760. Based on the 'earliest days of interstellar flight' would not necessarily mean FTL flight.(solar sails etc) The stations in the system are named after astronauts, and a interstellar flight visionary. Various bodie...
Reference includes ED release date (16/12/3300), identifies which partner handled communication (Sneer), and references answer to life, universe, and everything (42). Suggests TDW monitoring is more specific than passive observation.
I hadn't noticed before that the source of the communication is: 'Sue,Cripple & Sneer Solicitors'[haha] I wonder if the reference number is of any use for anything... 'JAS 161200/42' Click to expand... That reference number includes the date of ED's release: 16th December 3300. Not sure if that helps, though. If TDW invites were given purely by 'watching what we do' then I'm sure some people would have been invited by now. I think we have to do something more specific, if it is possible at all to be invited as a result of in-game activity.
21 Zeta Cephei ruled out as candidate for Dark Wheel station based on stellar classification. Station location likely requires M9 class red supergiant with temperature ≤2100K and gas giant with 8+ moons within 20LS. Narrowed candidate list needed.
Xaintly's Systems 21 Zeta Cephei 4 H: No station located & not quite the right colour. Blast it! Just realized NGC 2682 FBC 3456 is a one-way trip to the Cancri cluster. I was framed! Ah well, anything for the quest. Click to expand... Crap! 21 Zeta Cephei was my favourite of the bunch since it was the only Super giant (the rest are just 'Giant'). Unless the station is at nav-beacon range to the star, I think the star has to be a Red Supergiant. I don't think a gas giant with 8 moons can spawn within 20 ls of a star. On top of that, it needs to be class M9 with a temperature under <= 2100 (<2000 more likely) None of the stars on my list were M9s though...
Dark Wheel codex station image shows deep red, large star consistent with red giant or red supergiant. Brute-force EDSM search identified 41 candidate systems with red giant/supergiant + gas giant with 8+ moons. Zaurak tested and ruled out. Systematic verification ongoing.
The picture of the Dark Wheel station in the codex is interesting to me. The star is a very deep red It looks quite big for something presumably far away Most 'M' stars are too small to have anything but snowballs I visited a bunch of K, M, L, T, Y, C stars to check the color. The K, M (Red Dwarf), Tauri and C stars I checked were much more yellow. L and Y were too purple. The closest match to color that I could find were M (Red Giant) and M (Red Super Giant). They are also quite big. Based on that, I ran a search on the EDSM data for Red Giant/Red Super Giant WITH a Gas Giant that has at least 8 moons. I found 41 results. Does anyone want to help check these? I want to try flying around the 8th moon at close range and seeing if anything pops up. Zaurak - checked: zaurak c 2 h, no...
Ongoing brute-force search using Codex screenshot as primary clue to identify Dark Wheel station location. Systematic approach reducing candidate systems through stellar color, class, and companion object verification.
Maybe not all know there is already thread focused to searching for the Dark Wheel station using Codex picture as main clue. We already did some work. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/477422-The-codex-screenshot-for-the-The-Dark-Wheel-Which-system-is-it I like this thread about Raxxla for wonderful theories based on history, literature, old games. Often clever/studied theories I really enjoy to read all time But it is not how we do searching for the station using that Codex picture. It is just about brute force searching and routine. Of course if you can see something more from the Codex picture you are welcome. We need decrease number of candidate systems.
Proposal to search systems where gas giant with 8+ moons orbits non-primary star, especially those with red dwarf companions, as such configurations are less immediately visible to explorers.
I'll check HR 6001 next time I log on. As for narrowing down the list, I would suggest the following criteria: This being said, a red dwarf system would need the gas giant to be so close to the star that the station would be more easily found by passers-by (unless it was a very distant secondary star). Red giants would also attract the attention of explorers. From that perspective, it might be fruitful to search for systems where the gas giant with 8+ moons is close to a star other than the primary, especially in those thousands of systems with a red dwarf primary star. The catch here is that if the gas giant does orbit a star other than the primary, then the initial search needs to cover star types other than type M in order to find which have red dwarf companions! Click to expand... ...
Recommendation to use Orrery tool to identify systems with unusual orbital configurations such as main sequence star orbiting primary star (example: red dwarf in Maia system).
The mapping is important - if it already reveal structures as science centers then there is chance it can reveal the Dark Wheel station too. Visual checking is good. And I think it is useful to check Orrery for uncommon orbits. For example some more complex systems have main sequence star orbiting as child primary/parent star. I always recollect this red dwarf in Maia. Orrery is very useful in such case.
Visual reconnaissance of HD 14284 3H and 4H showed no Dark Wheel station; star coloration did not match Codex image expectations.
HD 14284 3 H & 4 H No station found at HD 14284 3 H. Colour not quite right. Spoiler https://i.Please use another image host/20AfeEi.jpg No station either at 4 H Spoiler https://i.Please use another image host/beN90fQ.jpg
HR 6001: M2III red giant (51+ solar radii) with gas giant ~1 Kls away showed size match to Codex image but lacked required station; star more orange than Codex depiction.
No station or other POI at HR 6001. From near the 8th moon, the gas giant and the star are both a decent match in terms of size to the image in the Codex, although the image in the Codex shows more detail on the star and the star appears more red than here. (The star is M2III and is over 51 solar radii and the gas giant is about 1 Kls away).
Investigation findings indicate most tested moons are too distant from parent star to produce station appearance matching Codex image; orbital geometry constraints are filtering most candidates.
Just to be clear, for the people who are going down the list of 8ths... ysll are looking for stations with your eyes, not your scanners, right? The way i understand it, we are looking physically for points of light. Like we'll have to drop close and fly the rest of the way if we find it. Click to expand... Yes, going to every potential moon and doing full circle around it trying to see faintest station light. So far, no luck. Moons are too far away from star to be able to produce anything similar to Codex image.
Systems identified for investigation: 21 Zeta Cephei, NGC 2682 FBC 3456, HD 14284, HR 6001. Proposed filtering criteria based on stellar radius thresholds and gas giant moon counts to narrow candidate list.
Sign me up initially for: 21 Zeta Cephei NGC 2682 FBC 3456 HD 14284 Can you update your list with CMDR names as to minimize overlap. If I encounter more from the list on the way southbound, I'll check those too. Click to expand... I'll check HR 6001 next time I log on. As for narrowing down the list, I would suggest the following criteria: if stellar_radius less than or equal to 1.0, then distance to gas giant with 8+ moons must be 100ls or less if stellar_radius greater than 1.0, then distance to gas giant with 8+ moons must be 1500ls or less This is because there are some stars labelled as red giants in the Stellar Forge even though they have stats resembling red dwarfs (e.g. the system in Bleia Eohn in the list) and the others are much larger than Sol, so the above should sepa...
Dedicated systematic search using Codex screenshot as primary clue to locate Dark Wheel station through brute force candidate system elimination rather than theoretical interpretation.
Maybe not all know there is already thread focused to searching for the Dark Wheel station using Codex picture as main clue. We already did some work. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/477422-The-codex-screenshot-for-the-The-Dark-Wheel-Which-system-is-it I like this thread about Raxxla for wonderful theories based on history, literature, old games. Often clever/studied theories I really enjoy to read all time But it is not how we do searching for the station using that Codex picture. It is just about brute force searching and routine. Of course if you can see something more from the Codex picture you are welcome. We need decrease number of candidate systems. Click to expand... I like the work in the thread, CMDR. Link to the thread is now added to the OP.
Clarification that Dark Wheel station search requires visual identification of station lights rather than scanner detection; requires close approach and orbital reconnaissance of candidate moons.
Just to be clear, for the people who are going down the list of 8ths... ysll are looking for stations with your eyes, not your scanners, right? The way i understand it, we are looking physically for points of light. Like we'll have to drop close and fly the rest of the way if we find it.
Speculation that Dark Wheel faction may have a recently-added station (possibly The Oracle in Delphi) with associated quest line. Original Dark Wheel story involved selling specific goods; The Oracle station post-dates 2004 original story.
Just to rule this out, I flew an Eagle from ShinDez to Delphi and docked at The Oracle. Nothing happened. 2A fuel scoop sucks. In the original 'Dark Wheel' story, selling a specific good at a station was what attracted attention. Can't hurt to bring some random stuff and sell it at The Oracle. Maybe waters of Shintara, Lavian brandy, grain, other goods. I'm pretty sure The Oracle is a station that was added since 2004, so it can't have been part of the original Raxxla plan. I'm wondering if the Dark Wheel station was recently added to the galaxy along with a quest line. Nobody has mentioned them having a station before now, right? The original story had Alex Ryder selling "Shanaskilk fur" (doesn't exist in ED) from the planet Xezoar (also doesn't exist in ED). The only planet i...
The Codex suggests finding Raxxla requires a personal journey and invitation from The Dark Wheel faction, not brute force exploration. The key challenge is determining how to attract TDW's attention.
I think the personal journey thing is still valid. The Codex points us to get personal in the way of being invited by TDW. No brute force will do it. Now, the question is how to actually attract their attention ?
Testing trade of rare commodities (Lavian brandy, Waters of Shintara, HIP 7442 Wheat, etc.) at The Oracle in Delphi system may trigger TDW contact or hidden events. Multiple sets of rare goods remain untested.
I'm currently importing the latest dump of stellar body info since my database is a year out of date. I'm hoping that there's more good candidates of red stars w/ gas giants w/ 8 moons within appropriate distance to create the screenshot. While that's going, I took 1 each of 8 goods (Lavian brandy, Waters of Shintara, HIP 7442 Wheat, terra mater blood bores, basic beer, wine, grain and 1 more thing I forget right now) and sold them at The Oracle @ Delphi in an Eagle. Nothing happened, but I have 2-3 sets of more rare goods to try.
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