Constellation & Star Patterns

Good Job Cmdr Macros. i am sure this will lead to something. Dark wheel made some intresting reading last night and certainly fits with the mission descriptions. Which leads to the legend the myth of Raxxala. Somehow all the pieces of a bigger puzzle will fit together when we work it out i think, the Sap 8 containers, the location of the door to a place thats not a place. possibly the UA may be needed there. The trinkets of fortune i am unfamiliar with. Raxxala was a planet not the system i gather from the fiction.finding it wont be easy ( hardly likely to still be called raxxala ) and only the Elite would find it. If you havnt read the dark wheel , certainly worth a look. some other supporting evidence i found Raxxala is real. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=50320&...

Spatial References This entry lists spatial references related directly or indirectly to Raxxla. All maps are stolen from the Galactic Mapping Community Project. Name: moon of Lave Description: Ancient history believed the moon of Lave to be Raxxla;however Lave has no visible moon. References: Name: Outer Rim Description: Upper left corner of the GalMap. Covered by map 6 & 7?. References: The mission name "Obfuscated In The Outer Rim" is supposedly a direct reference to this region of space. Name: Soontill Description: Known Thargoid location?. Visited, all bodies explored, including all 9 belt clusters, nothing found. References: Grid reference: 250 : -46 : 121

I like to try my dry brain cells on this topic aswell, as i did theorize on the UA thread here are my thoughts. Maybe you can helP? Still working on my "Quest for Raxxla", i'm a bit lost... I counted every letter in the fabled "Raxxla" and substituted the name with the number of position: R A X X L A 18 1 24 24 12 1 Now astrologers do not use an X/Y/Z coordinate-system, and i highly doubt, that a three or four digit relative position in each axis is enough to navigate the galaxymap of E: D. But they use another system consiting of three values per variable to locate an object, the "Right ascension", short RA and the declination, short dec. In this system the name Raxxla and the allocated numbers indicate a position at: RA 18h 1min 24sec dec +/-24° 12' 1" My google skills h...

Here is what i found at my conjecture: I'm not sure how i shall find that destination... Oh and on hiding info in the name: The best hidey spot is the most obvious!^^ They said they have the coords... just can't find it. That might refer to a missing object in space, or maybe simple problems of keeping information intact over ages. On conjecture: The constellation i am in is named "hercules" who did pass "cerberus" to venture into the underworld... Is this coincidence? Is my mind playing tricks? 96 herculis is a system with 3 suns. 3 heads? http://server7.sky-map.org/starview?object_type=1&object_id=476393 Click to expand... Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding, I've only got conjecture on my own part, you are following the leads as you see them You can find the mentioned loca...

Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding, I've only got conjecture on my own part, you are following the leads as you see them You can find the mentioned location in the GalMap;open it and find the coordinates, it'll be a box with potentially more than one system, and if you are lucky;just one. Click to expand... How can i tell which grid is which? Can you give me an idea how to use your method? I am not that firm in astrology, yet i have some serious fun joini9ng up this treasure hunt. Found some "rare" bodies: Class M Dwarf-Star with Ring If i remember correctly the FFE plot spun around Polaris, including the "Turner Class" ship. Polaris is one of the brightest stars visible from earth. Have the other objects in the "brightest star list" been checked out? I think you need a very b...

Found something on the Alioth Wiki. Raxxla The planet Raxxla. It is fabled to be a gateway to other universes, or at the very least a portal to somewhere else in the galaxy. Many parties actively search for Raxxla, but no-one has ever found it. (related legends: 'shan ri la', 'the 7 planets of gold' and 'the whitehole, the wellspring of eternal life') Maybe it's unrelated but "the 7 planets of gold" sounds suspicious. Link:Legends of Elite

This is from the book The Dark Wheel. " Rafe chuckled and shook his head. 'You see, that's the big question. Your father was chasing the mythical plant Raxxla. Does it exist, or does it not? If it does, then on Raxxla there's an alien construct that's a gateway to other Universes, and all that's in those Universes in the way of bounty, and treasures, and aliens, and life "

Found something on the Alioth Wiki. Raxxla The planet Raxxla. It is fabled to be a gateway to other universes, or at the very least a portal to somewhere else in the galaxy. Many parties actively search for Raxxla, but no-one has ever found it. (related legends: 'shan ri la', 'the 7 planets of gold' and 'the whitehole, the wellspring of eternal life') Maybe it's unrelated but "the 7 planets of gold" sounds suspicious. Link:Legends of Elite Click to expand... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangri-La https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Cities_of_Gold_(myth) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immortality

Guys, can I help if I am not Elite? I am a Founder; not sure if any missions will be available. My job is a problem solving job in real life, I'll take a look at the black boxes later. Didn't realise there were voices! Essentially, this CMDR has broken himself through burning time in the UA storyline to absolutely no avail and a bit of chissling off of the game's enjoyment. Kind of stumbling around blind and without hope at the moment, trying to find excitment and purpose in an ENTIRE GALAXY. I need to leave the Pleiades before this all gets to me. Let me know if I can help, CMDRs. PS I can't find it now - did someone post a thread with a picture of Raxxla on the galaxy map? PS Hi Dommaarraa PPS Please help with advice guys I am REALLY struggling with this game at the moment Click...

Thanks. I do know it moves, that's why it caught my attention. I'm not fully aware of the lore behind it though, and I will explore it a bit. I never thought it might actually be looking for something. If it is, I will try to follow that lead (also a hunch...). The lore I can study from hotels, and if the lore gives some hint on my "hunch", then I'll need the game, which is hard to get into lately due to work. In any case, I like these kind of mysteries and I need a new goal in the game, so I hope you don't mind that I tag along for the search. That the actual presence of Raxxla has been confirmed by DB is a great incentive. I'm one of those that was very involved on the search for the Formidine Rift, just to find out that it isn't there, but it was a great search nonetheless.

Hello Commanders, I'm sharing this with you in the case you missed it: http://www.drewwagar.com/progress-report/raxxla-the-definitive-guide/ From the wording chosen by Drew I'd bet that he doesn't know the location, only DB. Then I have an idea, if you remove all filters from the map, you can see some "bright spots": maybe one of those "bright spots" include a very special system? On the other hand, it could be in a zone with a very difficult access, such as out of the plane of the galaxy, with sparse systems. Which one would be the most probable choice by FD, knowing that "there will be no clues"? Click to expand... Thanks for sharing, Cmdr. It wasn't missed I've been wondering about the Raxxla location statement; I find it very curious, if the Great Galactic Father wouldn't know,...

Thanks for sharing, Cmdr. It wasn't missed I've been wondering about the Raxxla location statement; I find it very curious, if the Great Galactic Father wouldn't know, then who would? Click to expand... This comes from July 8th 2014, where I met DB in person at the BAFTA awards. My write up of the meeting is here if you're interested. http://www.drewwagar.com/progress-report/the-day-i-met-david-braben/ I managed to chat to him afterwards in the bar. We were talking about the myths and mythos that had grown up around the game and how impactful the game had been open people of the generation that played the original game back in 1984/85. The subject of alien races came up and, as a writer, he reminded me of an 'Alien background doc' given to the writers as research material. I do have...

The "Espada de venganza" has docked in the Maia system. En route there a signal anomaly was detected and checked out, an UA revealed itself and was picked up. Several jumps later a shipwreck of imperial craftsmanship was discovered, saving 5 escape pods and returning them to the Ant-Hill. The ship is ready for any further engagements, Ground assault weaponry features high payload missiles and rapid fire lasers. Standing by... "To RAXXLA and beyond!" [video=youtube;cFBIr3Vx16w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFBIr3Vx16w[/video] Spoiler Who is "I" without a past? A river without a source? An event without a cause? Threads of different lengths Some longer, some shorter So many of them spun together

[SIZE=+1] | | So is Raxxla a system or a planet? And will the meta-alloys help us find it? Click to expand... Right now I doubt it's anything but a future DLC, meaning, the mechanism by which it would effect the game doesnt yet physically exist until certain 'events' are announced and stages towards finding Raxxla are unlocked by the players themselves. "As the legend goes, on Raxxla there are alien structures which serve as gateways to other universes." If finding Raxxla does indeed turn out to be a gateway/portal to another universe(s)/'witch space'/'dragons be here' this will of course open up a whole new avenue for the game to progress even further. In the meantime I'm keeping a watchful eye here (http://childrenofraxxla.com/) and especially here (https://forums.frontier...

[SIZE=+1] | http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff217/uklawman/The Peoples Voice Icons/Char1.png | Right now I doubt it's anything but a future DLC, meaning, the mechanism by which it would effect the game doesnt yet physically exist until certain 'events' are announced and stages towards finding Raxxla are unlocked by the players themselves. "As the legend goes, on Raxxla there are alien structures which serve as gateways to other universes." If finding Raxxla does indeed turn out to be a gateway/portal to another universe(s)/'witch space'/'dragons be here' this will of course open up a whole new avenue for the game to progress even further. In the meantime I'm keeping a watchful eye here (http://childrenofraxxla.com/) and especially here (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.p...

Whatever it is, it's in-game, we just need to find it. Clues are what we are missing the most though, and I'm completely certain that they are there, just not found yet. I've read that Raxxla is a planet with an alien construct on it, which is at the same time the gateway to another galaxy. Oh, and people probably live there too! Although I've also heard that they lost it. How do you loose a planet??? What I'm mostly curious is what will happen the day someone finds it. Does FD have another galaxy in their pocket? Older games had several galaxies on them, so it's not that far fetched...

After some much further checking (Take a look at "Mutabilis" by Drew Wager in Google Books), it seems that if FD is going off of the original lore, Raxxla is a Rouge Planet that travels though witch space, stopping at predetermined points along the way (one of which is Lave). The entire cycle completes every "few decades." Raxxla was the hub that kept witchspace operational (The aliens that created Raxxla also created witchspace), but using it as a transit system damaged it over time, which seems to have led to the creation of the Frame-Shift Drive. Anyway, according to the lore, the only way to find Raxxla was to look for witchspace anomalies (in the form of wormholes) or gravitational anomalies (in the form unusual planetary orbits) in normal systems. Using some basic math based on what...

Lastest post form Drew Wagar on Raxxla. ... So. What about Elite: Dangerous? There are two bits of information. One is public, the other I am revealing for the first time. 1. Michael Brookes said “There will be no clues.” – Inferring it does indeed exist. 2. I spoke to David Braben directly in 2014 and he confirmed to me that “It’s out there and we (FD) know where it is.” – So it does exist. Start searching folks. Perhaps someone will be worthy of membership of the Dark Wheel after all this time. The legends are true. Click to expand...

Found a possible clue while reading Reclamation after Drew mentioned it was cannon: "You've been to the Frontier?" "To it, threw it, past it. Don't tell no-one, but I've got as far as the Formadine Rift. Not many folk can say that. And no one has gone past it and lived to tell the tale. Edge of the galactic arm. Take a line from Reorte to Riedquat, to the edge of the arm, and keep going. [...] Quiet for the most part until..." "Until What?" "Well let's just say there's some serious [can't post explicits] out there. Stuff you wouldn't believe... [...] It'll all come back to bite them one day. It's all there in the Imperial Databanks somewhere... [...] Have you ever heard of the Tionisla System? So, does that mean it may be possible to buy the system information for whatever she was talking...

Be careful, these are all references to the Formidine Rift - NOT Raxxla. Drew is not involved with the Raxxla thing, as far as I know, and I remember M.Brookes or D. Braben stating there will be no clues for Raxxla. Z... Click to expand... I am as curious about Raxxla as the rest of you. I have no concrete ideas on it. Cheers, Drew.

I probably dream when I listen to the Josh Hawkins BroCast where Drew was guested ? For those who never listen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvcYNYIQZ8M Drew, in this broadcast, you said that you didn't know where was Raxxla but M. Brooks and D. Braben assured you that it was ingame. You also said in this broadcast that a lonewolf could find Raxxla randomly, that it was findable by brute force method, but the more accurate way to find it was not this method (you said that it was mostly like solving a puzzle than searching a particular object that we'll said : eh, this is Raxxla, look at the USS name). Drew, you said that kind of things few times, on few broadcast (the Josh Hawkins one, the DJ Truthsayer one) and also here, on this forum (I don't have the link now, but everyone can...

Drew, as you are around... Do you know if "Darkness Falls" is lore? I don't think so, but who knows... It's the closest description I have ever heard about Raxxla until now! It contains the gate orbiting the planet at one side and a generator on the other side, plus they didn't have to travel much to get there. The Elite rogue pilots have a small base in the ELW (Raxxla). Click to expand... Alas not, no. Anything prior to Frontier Elite 2 has definitely been retconned and you can't use it as lore unless it's specifically cited in GalNet. Quite a lot of stuff from FE2 and FFE has been incorporated, but not all, and crucially, not all the important stuff. However some of the older material may act as inspiration for ED. Cheers, Drew.

To be fair ... The Dark Wheel was about more than just Raxxla as well. From Holdstock's novella: The Dark Wheel was a semi-legendary space unit, star-riders who made it their business to seek the truth behind the plethora of myths and romantic stories that filtered back from all corners of the Universe: fabulous cities, parallel worlds, time travellers, even planets that appeared to be the old 'heaven' of Earth legend. The Dark Wheel was as mysterious and as mythical to the traders of the Galaxy as King Arthur might have been to the first spacemen. Click to expand... While I would normally entirely agree, Holdstock's novella is not considered Cannon anymore, it seems FDev wanted to start full-fresh back again with it :/

As for Raxxla, we can go quite wild with it, since there's not much more known than it's ingame, somewhere, hahah ! Worth keeping all the tinfoil on the side prepared for the day Frontier decides to, maybe, start to give breadcrumbs or reintroduce the Dark Wheel missions and more. Click to expand... Speaking of crazy ... if you read the letters in Raxxla as "medieval Roman numerals" you get the following values: R = 80 A = 5 X = 10 X = 10 L = 50 A = 5 If you treat the word as a chronogram then, nearest I can tell, the value is 30: RAXXLA. It doesn't quite conform to what you'd expect a Roman Numeral to look like. I had an email conversation with Ian Bell, almost a year ago, where he confirmed that Robert Holdstock had something very specific in mind when he wrote about Raxxla in...

Something to do with a certain Steven Eisler book ..? Click to expand... I didn't ask though Bell said that he is familiar with The Alien World.

"A place that isn't a place, a door that is also the key. The myth." Sounds like a cryptic crossword clue, my guess is to replace the nouns with synonyms, and maybe an antonym of place for "not a place". Looking at the OED, one definition of "place" is interesting: The position of a celestial object on the celestial sphere, esp. allowing for the effects of precession, parallax, aberration, nutation of the earth's axis, proper motion of the body, etc. Click to expand... "The key" may be metaphorical, such as meaning the solution or the important thing to understand, or be like a key to a map. "A door" may be an anagram of something important, or provide the solution itself. Equally "The myth" may be an anagram of the key. And my favourite idea so far - the ED universe is a place that...

I've been tinfoiled hatting with Raxxla a bit lately: There's a few missions given out by the Dark Wheel from Shinrarta Dezra. These missions reference: A place that isn't a place and 'A Door that is also a Key' A place that isn't a place often refers to Home is where the heart is, or simply 'Home' A door that is also a Key, i figured might be a keystone. As it happens there's a keystone in astronomy in the Hercules Sign (which lorewise is related to the tale of Dionysus): Location of the KeyStone: 67 Pi Herculis, Eta Herculis, Zeta Herculis, 58 Epsilon Herculis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_(constellation) when the map is locked on earth and turned at the right angle, you get the keystone image (obviously) So far trying to find a bright star inside the keystone has been p...

A guide to what we know and what we think we know. Raxxla. To some it is a mystery. To others a mere folly. What is it, where is it and why does it even matter? When it comes to Raxxla separating fact from fiction is extremely difficult. Almost all of what we know about this mysterious place (if it is a place) is apocryphal at best ... it is therefore essential to begin with what we know to be true and then work our way from there through the legends before embarking into conjecture. What do we know? We know that there is an organization known as "The Dark Wheel" which had tasked itself with finding Raxxla. The following quotes from And Here The Wheel by John Harper contain much of what we know about Raxxla and The Dark Wheel: Spoiler The Dark Wheel has been around for centuries, ...

I'm not sure how many of you have read Drew Wagar's latest book Elite: Premonition. The following will be a mild spoiler if you haven't. Spoiler It is indicated within Premonition that The Dark Wheel faction at Shinrarta Dhezra may not be the actual Dark Wheel faction that can trace its lineage through the Ryder family to the quest of Raxxla. If that is the case then it really throws some ice on many of the notions contained in Macros the Black's initial postings in this thread. The obfuscated in the outer rim missions, SAP 8 containers and all the other Dark Wheel missions may have nothing to do with the quest for Raxxla at all and may amount to nothing more then "Dark Wheel" of the founder's world system attempting to leverage old legends on behalf of their faction ... just like ther...

You have to remember that the Dark Wheel are the masters of obfuscation. Misdirection and confusion are definitely their modus operandi. Having people question whether they even exist suits their purposes extremely well. The Dark Wheel faction at Shinrarta Dezhra may be official, or it may not be. You need to ask yourselves whether or not it would suit the purposes of the Dark Wheel to have such an outlet and if they did, to what use would they put it? Cheers, Drew. Click to expand... The phrase "Hiding in plain sight" springs to mind.

So it is funny that you bring up what we do know and don't know about Raxxla the day i read Chapter 15. So lets go back in time, to Salome's Trial! Warning: Premonition Spoiler Spoiler I've seen you run missions out of Sinrarta Dezhra, Thorn replied. Shinrarta Dezhra? The woman laughed...You think The Dark Wheel advertises on a station board in plain sight? That we need rookie pilots to drag a couple tonnes of thrumpberry flavouring across to Hutton Orbital? A Trivial Ploy to keep the Founders off our backs...It keeps the treasure seekers and wishful thinkers occupied, They believe they are onto something...The truth is far more subtle then they will ever suspect. Shinrarta Deshra is merely a Front. You should not consider the Dark Wheel a single organization...The Wheel has many leve...

So it is funny that you bring up what we do know and don't know about Raxxla the day i read Chapter 15. So lets go back in time, to Salome's Trial! Warning: Premonition Spoiler Spoiler I've seen you run missions out of Sinrarta Dezhra, Thorn replied. Shinrarta Dezhra? The woman laughed...You think The Dark Wheel advertises on a station board in plain sight? That we need rookie pilots to drag a couple tonnes of thrumpberry flavouring across to Hutton Orbital? A Trivial Ploy to keep the Founders off our backs...It keeps the treasure seekers and wishful thinkers occupied, They believe they are onto something...The truth is far more subtle then they will ever suspect. Shinrarta Deshra is merely a Front. You should not consider the Dark Wheel a single organization...The Wheel has many leve...

Rebecca? That or the cyborg lady that travels with her? Click to expand... The answer you're looking for just might be found in Robert Holdstock's original The Dark Wheel novella which was released along with the original Elite in 1984. It's a short read and can be found all over the internet with a quick Google. Here's a link to one of the many pages that have the novella archived: http://www.elitehomepage.org/dkwheel.htm ------- This also brings to mind a theory that's been swirling around my head this week. Perhaps the journey to find Raxxla is a literary one. A while back I had a short exchange of conversation in email with Ian Bell, co-creator of the original Elite. According to Bell, Robert Holdstock had a very specific concept behind what exactly Raxxla was intended to be an...

I wouldn't say that searching for Raxxla right now is a lost cause. This is THE big puzzle of the Elite universe. Raxxla. Everyone and their dog knows about Raxxla. When Jason Ryder, moments before his death, spoke that word to his son Alex ... Alex had no idea what the word meant. It was foreign to him. Totally alien. Flash forward to the year 3303 and Raxxla is now a brand name (and no, I don't mean guitar pedals). We have "The Children of Raxxla" advertising the place in their faction name. Salome speaking about Raxxla from Beagle Point and stating that it was first mentioned "in Federation data banks on Earth in 2814". I just really have to wonder ... what happened in the galaxy that something so obscure that Alex Ryder had never heard of suddenly becomes so prominent that an ind...

I've given thought to starting at Sol (maybe Mars? where they found the Alien Relic?) and flying toward Lave. Click to expand... And of course there's Ciraq. Ciraq isn't Raxxla but it wasn't listed on the galaxy map according to The Dark Wheel novella. Is Ciraq in-game under another name?

Good day meatbags! just our weekly check in to keep this thread alive. We have found no trace of Raxxla out in the Formidine Rift while we were out visiting our conque...we mean the Zurara and the EAFOTS bases. The lights sure are pretty out here in witch space. Like a sirens song. We think we see a cluster of bright blue stars pointing in an arrow behind us, but that is probably just space madness, will try jumping in different directions for a little while. Click to expand... It's been a long week and I haven't had a chance to dig into Holdstock's Where Time Winds Blow as much as I'd like. Still in the early parts of Chapter One but I've taken a few notes along with some names and words that I've planned to check against the Galaxy Map to see if anything "hits". Here's my keyword lis...

2 - Out-game empathy. Think like a dev! If you were tasked with storyboarding the Raxxla mystery, how would it play out? Consider how FDev has handled the story of the Thargoids, or the Guardians or the Formidine Rift. Click to expand... This is the primary reason that I've decided to pursue the problem from a literature standpoint. Raxxla was basically invented by Robert Holdstock and it seems plausible to me that someone at Frontier would have created the Raxxla of Elite: Dangerous as a memorial to the late author who died all too young in 2009.

What exactly are we looking for? We assume that Raxxla is somewhere within fairly easy reach of the Bubble, right? I mean ... Jason Ryder apparently discovered it's location way back around the year 3100 when space travel still required the use of the Faraway jump system to travel between the stars. Witchspace was crowded with monitoring satellites, branch lines, stop points, and rescue stations (according to The Dark Wheel novella). Jumping on your own to a system that wasn't a part of the Faraway system was fraught with danger. Raxxla, therefore, is quite likely in humanity's own backyard. Spoiler I've been thinking about this for a while and have grown more and more convinced that Raxxla is in the Polaris system or, alternatively, can only be reached via a gateway in Polaris. At ...

I thought that might be the case. So basically all we know about Raxxla is it exists and it's in-game. Do we really know it has a gateway to other universes? That was in Oolite and Dark Wheel, but wasn't the latter also retconned? I must say I find this retconning extremely confusing! Click to expand... The Dark Wheel novella isn't considered canon in the Elite: Dangerous universe. I don't even think it was canon when Frontier: Elite 2 or Frontier: First Encounters came out. That said, there are elements from The Dark Wheel that have been confirmed as canon. Foremost of these, considering this thread, is the legend of Raxxla. And Here The Wheel by John Harper confirms that there was someone named Alex Ryder who became the leader of an organization known as "The Dark Wheel" and that th...

I thought that might be the case. So basically all we know about Raxxla is it exists and it's in-game. Do we really know it has a gateway to other universes? That was in Oolite and Dark Wheel, but wasn't the latter also retconned? I must say I find this retconning extremely confusing! Click to expand... The Dark Wheel wasn't part of the retcon. It has been 'Mythology' since the release of FE2. The people in The Dark Wheel are real though. The Ryders and Elyssia Fields are confirmed by the new lore. I think we can view The Dark Wheel as a 'based on real events' story. Everything The Dark Wheel tells us about Raxxla, comes from Rafe Zetter. He knows only the legend of Raxxla, but he takes Jason's last words as confirmation. Jason found evidence for the real existence of Raxxla. He was ...

Due to my 'teribble Englich' I am not sure if I understand correctly what MB insinuates in this interview. I mean, would he have used the words "personal journey" if Raxxla was a simple stellar body somewhere fixed, which anybody could jump upon randomly? The following sentence he says then, which I cant understand a single word due to his...gorgeous beard, may also be interesting to analyze. Spoiler https://player.twitch.tv/?volume=0.8&video=v66487974&time=1h40m30s Also, DB's ...and we know where it is. It is. Doesn't that overthrow the idea of a 'wandering planet' ? My excellent British fellow threaders could put me out of doubt.... Click to expand... As a native English speaker (albeit from 'oop North') "It is" doesn't discount a wandering planet, it could just imply that FD ...

What exactly are we looking for? We assume that Raxxla is somewhere within fairly easy reach of the Bubble, right? I mean ... Jason Ryder apparently discovered it's location way back around the year 3100 when space travel still required the use of the Faraway jump system to travel between the stars. Witchspace was crowded with monitoring satellites, branch lines, stop points, and rescue stations (according to The Dark Wheel novella). Jumping on your own to a system that wasn't a part of the Faraway system was fraught with danger. Raxxla, therefore, is quite likely in humanity's own backyard. Spoiler I've been thinking about this for a while and have grown more and more convinced that Raxxla is in the Polaris system or, alternatively, can only be reached via a gateway in Polaris. At ...

Due to my 'teribble Englich' I am not sure if I understand correctly what MB insinuates in this interview. I mean, would he have used the words "personal journey" if Raxxla was a simple stellar body somewhere fixed, which anybody could jump upon randomly? The following sentence he says then, which I cant understand a single word due to his...gorgeous beard, may also be interesting to analyze. Spoiler https://player.twitch.tv/?volume=0.8&video=v66487974&time=1h40m30s Also, DB's ...and we know where it is. It is. Doesn't that overthrow the idea of a 'wandering planet' ? My excellent British fellow threaders could put me out of doubt.... Click to expand... Thanks for the link, Scytale. On answering the question "There will be no clues?", Michael answer is interesting: "that is tru...

It's been a long time since I've seen the missions mentioned in the OP. As far as I can see there's nothing special about the current missions (all factions) from Jameson Memorial than in any other system/station. Only minor curiosity is that I haven't seen any missions from other systems to Shinrarta Dezhra. Elite & Founder missions are still on the mission board, they're just 'ordinary' missions. Click to expand... So perhaps FD took an editorial decision to postpone the Raxxla story arc for a while.

It's been a long time since I've seen the missions mentioned in the OP. As far as I can see there's nothing special about the current missions (all factions) from Jameson Memorial than in any other system/station. Only minor curiosity is that I haven't seen any missions from other systems to Shinrarta Dezhra. Elite & Founder missions are still on the mission board, they're just 'ordinary' missions. Click to expand... So perhaps FD took an editorial decision to postpone the Raxxla story arc for a while. Click to expand... That's not the history of the missing missions... When Horizons launched they changed the missions with the intention that they should only appear at Jameson's Memorial (which for Dark Wheel makes sense) as previously they appeared everywhere. (change log) They ba...

I still maintain that it's located much closer to the bubble, Since it was reachable hundreds of years ago with the earlies jump drive tech, long before the rest of the galaxy was explored... Click to expand... I must respectfully disagree! We're told it's a long distance away, although admittedly whether or not that's still lore is up for debate. Jump drive tech hasn't been steadily improving, it had effectively taken a massive step backwards for a considerable time prior to the FSD. The real Dark Wheel have been searching for Raxxla and haven't found it, with the possible exception of when Jason Ryder found it not long prior to 3125 . (Unless something's changed in the last few years!) It was a mythical place even in Jason and Alex Ryder's days. It's worth bearing in mind that h...

I must respectfully disagree! We're told it's a long distance away, although admittedly whether or not that's still lore is up for debate. Jump drive tech hasn't been steadily improving, it had effectively taken a massive step backwards for a considerable time prior to the FSD. The real Dark Wheel have been searching for Raxxla and haven't found it, with the possible exception of when Jason Ryder found it not long prior to 3125 . (Unless something's changed in the last few years!) It was a mythical place even in Jason and Alex Ryder's days. It's worth bearing in mind that hyperspace was discovered in 2100 so that's roughly 1,000 years of hyperspace travel being possible to be accounted for even by that point when considering how far away it could be. Also, there were some very salie...

I must respectfully disagree! We're told it's a long distance away, although admittedly whether or not that's still lore is up for debate. Jump drive tech hasn't been steadily improving, it had effectively taken a massive step backwards for a considerable time prior to the FSD. The real Dark Wheel have been searching for Raxxla and haven't found it, with the possible exception of when Jason Ryder found it not long prior to 3125 . (Unless something's changed in the last few years!) It was a mythical place even in Jason and Alex Ryder's days. It's worth bearing in mind that hyperspace was discovered in 2100 so that's roughly 1,000 years of hyperspace travel being possible to be accounted for even by that point when considering how far away it could be. Also, there were some very salie...

The fact that Jason found it and returned within presumably what was no more than a few years indicates it might even be within the bubble considering the travel times back then. Click to expand... Jason probably never found Raxxla. He found evidence of it's existence and was gathering a search party, when he was killed. Important bit: 'Jason Ryder was convinced that Raxxla existed. That's why he trained for, and became a part of, the Dark Wheel, the legend-seekers. I hadn't heard much from him or about him for some time until just before he died, when he told me he'd found evidence for the real existence of Raxxla. He came back from Deep Space to get a proper team together… ' Rafe smiled bitterly. 'But just before he was due to go back, he decided to take a safe-worlds holiday jaunt...

Hi Thatchinho Not disagreeing with you, but can you tell me where we are told that it's a long distance away? (Because that implies a clue and DB said no clues). And why do you say jump drive technology had taken a massive step backwards? Click to expand... It's the quote from Elyssia fields that Han Zen mentioned coupled with the hinted retcon of the intergalactic jumps to long distance intragalactic. As to why do I say drives took a step backwards, several reasons (I'm talking about the loss of the type 1 (Quirium fuelled) tech btw: a. Galactic hyperdrive capabilities were lost b. Reliability and jump distance were improved but jump time went from a couple of seconds to days or weeks, which gives a net result of vastly decreased distances which could be covered. (And I don't use ...

Two things to remember: 1 David Braben and other frontier higher ups did confirm raxxla was in the game. 2 Raxxla is a planet, planets dont show up in the search bar but some systems have named planets but not all of these systems named every planet. I would recomend to scan every system you come across in the bubble and scan search buy every peace of mapping you can and look at every planet if there is a planet named raxxla. PS Unconfirmed Rumours have it that you can only find it when tripple elite. Click to expand... Since nobody has found it yet, and FD have said no clues, then any requirement for triple Elite is pure speculation. edit: and since Raxxla apparently wasn't actually in the first game then I think any lore-based interpretation of its wherabouts is suspect! Sinc...

The problem with a 7ly jump range, is that you can't go anywhere. You will at least have to follow the center of the galactic arm, to get very far. We only had access to one ship in Elite though. Other ships may have had longer range? In FE2/FFE, some ships had well over 50ly range(Turner class has 94ly). It would be resonnable to cover 3-5kly a year. A ten year trip would not be a problem, as you spent most of the time in the Stardreamer. Scooping was tedious in all the previous games, as you didn't drop next to the star. The technical aspects of the different jump drives aren't realy significant to the Raxxla mystery, I think. No location can be excluded based on their limitations. Click to expand... True, 7ly jump range would limit where you can go, but that's where the galactic h...

Can you please cite the source where it was "Hinted" that the other galaxies from the orginal elite are in far away regions, because I have a quote from Michael Brookes that states there is only a few systems from the original elite in this game, as shown in the game currently with the 12 or so around Lave. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/58778-Original-Elite-Galaxy-in-Elite-Dangerous Click to expand... I'll try to find it. The problem is that I don't remember who said it. Far is a relative term, but all of the original Elite happened inside the Milky Way.

Yeah the 8 "Galaxies" were not True Galaxies so it would all have to be in the milky way. I'm just curious because I think Rain was a system in the old Elite and that is also in the bubble but it was in a different galaxy then Lave, Reorte, etc etc. Also I kinda though you were implying that the other galaxies were in this game hence the Michael Brooks quoted link I supplied. Click to expand... Rain was a system in Galaxy 8, in Elite. It's about 190ly from Lave, in ED. It's not the most unike name though. It would be interesting to find more Gal 8 systems in the neighborhood. As Galaxy 8 is just one Galactic hyper jump from Galaxy 1, it could lead to some kind of pattern of distances for these jumps. Lists of all systems in the eight galaxies are available on Alioth.net: http://wiki....

Happy not Labor Day Meatbags!! Just our weekly check in. We went to one of our old sites and activated it, downloaded the battle plan...erm...star map, and helped fertilize a few of the eggs. Can't let those "scavengers" have all the fun can we? During our journeys we have no new info on Raxxla, but we do have a lead to check on once we figure out where the constellation Orion is in game. For now, we are preparing for a storm.

Happy not Labor Day Meatbags!! Just our weekly check in. We went to one of our old sites and activated it, downloaded the battle plan...erm...star map, and helped fertilize a few of the eggs. Can't let those "scavengers" have all the fun can we? During our journeys we have no new info on Raxxla, but we do have a lead to check on once we figure out where the constellation Orion is in game. For now, we are preparing for a storm. Click to expand... use earth as a start point then point your ship at the orion constellation, then in put the names of each star in the search tab and it should show them. me personally i think raxxla is possibly in one of 2 places: 1) exactly opporsite earth on the other side of SagA or 2) is some where in the center of the guardian bubble and raxxla was th...

Happy not Labor Day Meatbags!! Just our weekly check in. We went to one of our old sites and activated it, downloaded the battle plan...erm...star map, and helped fertilize a few of the eggs. Can't let those "scavengers" have all the fun can we? During our journeys we have no new info on Raxxla, but we do have a lead to check on once we figure out where the constellation Orion is in game. For now, we are preparing for a storm. Click to expand... use earth as a start point then point your ship at the orion constellation, then in put the names of each star in the search tab and it should show them. me personally i think raxxla is possibly in one of 2 places: 1) exactly opporsite earth on the other side of SagA or 2) is some where in the center of the guardian bubble and raxxla was th...

use earth as a start point then point your ship at the orion constellation, then in put the names of each star in the search tab and it should show them. me personally i think raxxla is possibly in one of 2 places: 1) exactly opporsite earth on the other side of SagA or 2) is some where in the center of the guardian bubble and raxxla was the guardian home world Click to expand... It would be logical for Raxxla to be the Guardian homeworld. They are the only source of ancient alien technology that we know of (though I'm still convinced there will be no gateway to other universes when it's finally found). The way rumours work it might be in ED that a Guardian site was found and then it got twisted into "Raxxla", so since an alien artefact was found on Mars, then perhaps Triton as an...

It would be logical for Raxxla to be the Guardian homeworld. They are the only source of ancient alien technology that we know of (though I'm still convinced there will be no gateway to other universes when it's finally found). The way rumours work it might be in ED that a Guardian site was found and then it got twisted into "Raxxla", so since an alien artefact was found on Mars, then perhaps Triton as another possibility? Click to expand... Dammit, I was going to ask Acid for the rationale, but I'll just have to respond to this instead! I'm not sure it is logical for the Guardians homeworld to be Raxxla. In the end the homeworld was pretty much religous/anti-tech and that's coming from a general tech level that was ahead of ours but not by a huge amount. That's not Raxxla. Potenti...

It would be logical for Raxxla to be the Guardian homeworld. They are the only source of ancient alien technology that we know of (though I'm still convinced there will be no gateway to other universes when it's finally found). The way rumours work it might be in ED that a Guardian site was found and then it got twisted into "Raxxla", so since an alien artefact was found on Mars, then perhaps Triton as another possibility? Click to expand... Dammit, I was going to ask Acid for the rationale, but I'll just have to respond to this instead! I'm not sure it is logical for the Guardians homeworld to be Raxxla. In the end the homeworld was pretty much religous/anti-tech and that's coming from a general tech level that was ahead of ours but not by a huge amount. That's not Raxxla. Potenti...

Currently at work. Is there a Cmdr R. Holdstock in game by any chance ? Click to expand... I once got a bounty for getting rid of the outlaw Robert Holdstock, so he's an NPC in the game. At the time I didn't think to see where he went, mainly because he was trying to kill me!

I believe that the "wandering planet" mythos of Raxxla goes back to Drew Wagar's Oolite Saga and no further. If so then Raxxla's "mobility" is entirely a work of fan fiction and not, therefore, canon. Click to expand... However there is a star class in the game called "Rogue Planet". It's one of the possibilities from the Scan event in the player journal. So far I don't think anyone's found one, so perhaps there is only one or they're not implemented in game yet or there are billions but we've not yet worked out how to find them. Note that it is a Star class not a Planet class, so if you go hunting for these don't waste your time scanning planets, only look for things that appear in GalMap or in the System Map don't tell you a distance from entry point.

If Braben and Michael have said Raxxla is out there, so in-game and findable, and before Horizons launched, then surely we must be able to get to it with basic tools only. ... Click to expand... I believe he was also quoted as saying the Mirage existed in FE2 Besides, I heard DJ already knows where it is; he just refuses to confirm with me

MB we believe was the one that said: Yes Raxxla is in game, No you will not be given any hints. Also hello, we do not like this sudden and unexplained locking of threads either. We will never forgive you Ian, you are the first one we will probe when we get there! Jerk. Our base of operations on Earth went through the eye of Irma, so we have been down almost a month, but Our Human Cable Company says it will try to have us back online and in game by October 5th.

Drew said that MB told him that it is in the game and that we (FD) know where it is. I would love to just have it said one more time. something like "Yes. I confirm. It is in the game". Click to expand... Here it is. Verbally. https://player.twitch.tv/?volume=0.8&video=v66487974&time=1h40m30s

I was reading through the op and was thinking about the assumptions about Raxxla. Do we assume anything about how we will know if we have found it? It will be named Raxxla? We will or will not be able to land on it? One would imagine it to have structures on it, perhaps even visible from space. If The Dark Wheel is there now, we should be attacked upon entering the system. Click to expand... 1. We've been told that Raxxla has been in-game since release. This means that it pre-dates Horizons. It very possible that it will NOT be a planet that we can currently land on. If there is anything near Raxxla that we can interact with then I (personally) expect it to be some sort of starport. 2. There is no reason to believe that The Dark Wheel have found Raxxla. Alex Ryder apparently discovere...

Well. I haven't forgotten. The big question is just which species is hanging out there in Spoiler COL 70 Sector Click to expand... I haven't forgotten either. It's not something I would bring up on there myself though as a lot of stuff in Premonition doesn't seem to have filtered over to a lot of the playerbase yet. I suspect it was the Oresrians they encountered. It was on this side of Col 70 which seems far too close for an hyper-aggressive warlike species to be just hanging round not attacking. Also, there's obviously some form of complicity somewhere in the permit locking, which wouldn't really stack up if it was Klaxxians (why would they pay any regard to our permit locks?), but would if it was the Oresrians and it was essentially an agreed holding area while this initial pr...

2. There is no reason to believe that The Dark Wheel have found Raxxla. Alex Ryder apparently discovered evidence that Raxxla was real but apparently died before he could pass on the details. The Dark Wheel, led by the Ryder family, continued to look for it until the quest tore The Dark Wheel apart and Neptune Ryder formed The Circle of Independent Elite Pilots and went looking for Soontill instead. Click to expand... I thought it was Oberon Ryder who formed the Ciepers and Neptune stayed with the Dark Wheel.

Have you read John Harper's book? Click to expand... I've read it twice (good book!). According to that: Spoiler Dark Wheel have never found Raxxla but they did find Soonthill (the Circle occupied it), a world where the Thargoids had completed amazing technical work, full of goid treasures including a device that could provide glimpses of the future, but it had been lost even to the goids. Also the Thargoids had held several peaceful contact meetings with humanity, and human surveillance posts could detect and translate Thargoid transmission. Which is not happening at the moment, or at least is not being disclosed. So are you saying Raxxla and Soonthill have become confused? Eveything to date suggests they are two separate things.... Still no answer from French CMDR regarding ...

I've read it twice (good book!). Click to expand... Me too! Part way through third time reading to make sure I've not missed anything. Great story, I'd like to see more FFE from John Harper. I agree that Soontill and Raxxla are separate things. John wanted to write the story of Raxxla (like everyone!) but couldn't, so AFAIK he changed Raxxla to Soontill, the DW to CIEP, and the rest of the story pretty much stayed as he originally envisioned it (apart from FDev's great red pen of doom!).

A door that is also a key could be an archway with a keystone holding the arch up perhaps? And of course googling keystones just now led me to this, which seems quite interesting... https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/351786-Chasing-Raxxla Edit: A place that is not a place could refer to something that is constantly moving and never in the same location - a rogue planet, a comet, or even a ship or a FSD-capable station like Jacques. Here is a list of known rogue planets - may be worth checking to see if any of these are on the Galmap under these names or other designations listed in Simbad. Not in-game at the moment but next time I am will look into these and might start heading out Hercules way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_planet It would also be interesting to deter...

Oh, and the Hercules keystone asterism apparently points directly at the Hercules cluster (M13) which has over 300K stars... https://www.space.com/12021-hercules-star-cluster-night-sky-m13-messier.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messier_13

This universe is doomed. Dark energy will rip all conventional matter apart at the end of our time. We live in a dead end. Raxxla is not in this universe. Raxxla exists in a place where matter will endure. Click to expand... That's all well and good except for the fact that FDev (Braben himself, actually) have said that Raxxla is, indeed, in the Milky Way.

Guess a black hole can be considered a place that isn't a place. The Dark Wheel (which isn't canon) says that people is living on Raxxla already, that would probably be hard to do in a black hole, unless of course they are cylons and have placed their base right next to the event horizon. And when is a door also a key? I know of a few black holes on the outer rim, I'll be sure to check them out, fortunately CMDR Flirble Rasok is a triple. The personal journey which have been mentioned by MB is puzzling, I can only think of rank as something personal in ED so that must unlock something. [tinfoil] What if Raxxla is hidden in witchspace and access can be made using a Thargoid heart...nah, hearts are too recent [/tinfoil]

A timely reply with the right text! o7 Having just had this conversation, I can see several clues here: . One I picked up on at the time: 'Outer Rim'. Is this referring to the part of the galaxy that the person found this information in, or is this where they were looking for Raxxla? . A second clue is highlighted by this conversation: '... information about a certain celestial body ...'. It might have been assumed that Raxxla was a planet from what was said in The Dark Wheel but this is essentially the mission-giver saying the same thing: Raxxla is a celestial body, not a space station or a huge spaceship. . A place that isn't a place and a door that is also the key. This gets quoted a lot but in the context of this conversation: what type of celestial body is a place that isn't a ...

I'm sure that in ffe there were stories about a pilot returning from the outer rim and considering the jump times and lifetime of hyperdrives nffe it must have been close to inhabited space. Something tells me it was another term for the far frontier systems possibly in the direction if the Pleiades. Anyway, if "outer rim" in the DW missions means the same area then maybe this reaffirms the idea that Raxxla is not far from Sol. Click to expand... My guess is that "outer rim" in ED means 'of the galaxy'. In FFE they called the edge of human space "the edge", so you'd read reports of "expeditions beyond the Northern Edge" and in FE2 I'm not really sure to be honest.

Well...not in this game seems to me. There is no nebula left to explore in the entire MW. Harsh nav conditions regions, however... Anyway it would not be logical to refere the "outer rim" to another game than E: D But coming from FDevs ...well...[blah] Click to expand... Guardian Ruins are still being discovered in Nebula even now (latest ones were only last week). So there's no specific reason why something else can't turn up in one, even one close to the bubble (Barnacles are still being found as close as California, Witch Head and Pleiades). "Obfuscated" could refer to a permit locked region (deliberately hiding what's there, making it harder to get to, etc.) - doubly so to a permit locked region beyond a place that (pre-FSD) would have been extremely hard to get across... Bovo...

14,000 ly a week with a type 1. Up one arm and down another should have been pretty viable, assuming no >7ly gaps which span an entire arm. Also 900 yrs of type 0... That's plenty of time to go a long way. Interstellar colonisation was limited to hyperspace travel being made safe for mass amounts of people. Unmanned probes and individual pilots were going through hyperspace well before that, from it's early days. (From the lore interview DJ Truthsayer did with MB.) Also Jason Ryder hadn't found Raxxla, he'd found evidence for its existence. He'd come back from deep space to get a proper team together. So whatever Jason had found was found in deep space. Click to expand... Ahh, interesting about Ryder, I mis-remembered that bit The issue with the Type 0 was that it took Slowboats...

Wasnt there a stage where humans thought our solar system was the galaxy! Wasnt there a stage where hyperjumpimg wasnt heared of! Wouldnt it be well hidden if it was tucked on the rim of sol ... my guess its in sol deep space sol. Anyone tell me according to Ed lore what was first discovered system! Click to expand... "Tau Ceti was the first colony established outside of Sol. Tau Ceti 2 (now called Taylor Colony) had long been determined viable for habitation with life already present (due to free oxygen detected in the atmosphere via absorption spectra) - though observation and probe data confirmed this. By 2159, the settlement was largely self-sufficient and able to elect a civilian administrator." I've not been myself, but I read there's tourist beacons there you can visit if you'd...

Wasnt there a stage where humans thought our solar system was the galaxy! Wasnt there a stage where hyperjumpimg wasnt heared of! Wouldnt it be well hidden if it was tucked on the rim of sol ... my guess its in sol deep space sol. Anyone tell me according to Ed lore what was first discovered system! Click to expand... "Tau Ceti was the first colony established outside of Sol. Tau Ceti 2 (now called Taylor Colony) had long been determined viable for habitation with life already present (due to free oxygen detected in the atmosphere via absorption spectra) - though observation and probe data confirmed this. By 2159, the settlement was largely self-sufficient and able to elect a civilian administrator." I've not been myself, but I read there's tourist beacons there you can visit if you'd...

Maybe Raxxla is a sidewinder floating in space somewhere? [noob] Click to expand... A Sidey with intergalactical FSD !! I want it ! More seriously, are we sure people have investigated enough the connexions between the Dark Wheel and the factions involved in 'Obfuscated in the outer rim' and other 'mysterious' missions?

If it's findable now, it's probably Founder's World. It makes sense and fits all the myths. - It's one of the most heavily protected but accessible earth-like planets in the bubble that's not in one of the major faction's space. - It's immune from PP. - It was pretty far out from the Old Worlds, so it would have been quite a trek in the olden days - enough to keep the locations secret for a long time. - It's got the best pilots in the galaxy living on it and around it. - It's permit locked so only the Elite can get there. - It's got the only known presence of The Dark Wheel in orbit - The system name means "Life, she saw, hope" - which is in keeping with the cryptic nature of the Raxxla myth, and could be seen as an oblique reference to the doorway discovered there: "hope and Life...

If it's findable now, it's probably Founder's World. It makes sense and fits all the myths. - It's one of the most heavily protected but accessible earth-like planets in the bubble that's not in one of the major faction's space. - It's immune from PP. - It was pretty far out from the Old Worlds, so it would have been quite a trek in the olden days - enough to keep the locations secret for a long time. - It's got the best pilots in the galaxy living on it and around it. - It's permit locked so only the Elite can get there. - It's got the only known presence of The Dark Wheel in orbit - The system name means "Life, she saw, hope" - which is in keeping with the cryptic nature of the Raxxla myth, and could be seen as an oblique reference to the doorway discovered there: "hope and Life...

Hmm, good point, however is it possible that you could see Shinrarta as the Outer Rim of the Old Worlds? If the myths just kept the terminology of "The Outer Rim", that rim would shift outwards, the meaning would change. Given the jump ranges involved and how crazy hyperdrive in the past was, travelling there from Lave probably wasn't that easy, there's 1,174 star systems in the 57ly range from Lave, so even if you know the exact range you need to travel, there's over 1000 star systems to search - Back then that would have been a huge haystack to hide a needle - interestingly it's not a million miles away from the total number of star systems in the original Elite game (including the other "galaxies").

Hmm, good point, however is it possible that you could see Shinrarta as the Outer Rim of the Old Worlds? If the myths just kept the terminology of "The Outer Rim", that rim would shift outwards, the meaning would change. Given the jump ranges involved and how crazy hyperdrive in the past was, travelling there from Lave probably wasn't that easy, there's 1,174 star systems in the 57ly range from Lave, so even if you know the exact range you need to travel, there's over 1000 star systems to search - Back then that would have been a huge haystack to hide a needle - interestingly it's not a million miles away from the total number of star systems in the original Elite game (including the other "galaxies").

It doesn't fit the myths though. The myths say it's in another galaxy for starters. (That's got to be taken in conjunction with the likely retcon of the other galaxies from previous games to actually be distant parts of the milky way of course.) TDW never found Raxxla. Elite pilots being assassinated just for finding evidence that Raxxla existed - that's a complete mismatch with it being somewhere that all Elite pilots get access to. 64 ly from Sol isn't very far. Achenar is more than twice further away. The name Shinrarta Dezhra came from one of the kickstarter supporters, not from FD. There's also no need whatsoever for treasure from other universes in order to explain the PF's power. Also, the state of commercial FTL tech =/= the state of human FTL tech. Click to expand... I'...

It doesn't fit the myths though. The myths say it's in another galaxy for starters. (That's got to be taken in conjunction with the likely retcon of the other galaxies from previous games to actually be distant parts of the milky way of course.) TDW never found Raxxla. Elite pilots being assassinated just for finding evidence that Raxxla existed - that's a complete mismatch with it being somewhere that all Elite pilots get access to. 64 ly from Sol isn't very far. Achenar is more than twice further away. The name Shinrarta Dezhra came from one of the kickstarter supporters, not from FD. There's also no need whatsoever for treasure from other universes in order to explain the PF's power. Also, the state of commercial FTL tech =/= the state of human FTL tech. Click to expand... I'...

If it's findable now, it's probably Founder's World. It makes sense and fits all the myths. - It's one of the most heavily protected but accessible earth-like planets in the bubble that's not in one of the major faction's space. - It's immune from PP. - It was pretty far out from the Old Worlds, so it would have been quite a trek in the olden days - enough to keep the locations secret for a long time. - It's got the best pilots in the galaxy living on it and around it. - It's permit locked so only the Elite can get there. - It's got the only known presence of The Dark Wheel in orbit - The system name means "Life, she saw, hope" - which is in keeping with the cryptic nature of the Raxxla myth, and could be seen as an oblique reference to the doorway discovered there: "hope and Life...

Hmm, good point, however is it possible that you could see Shinrarta as the Outer Rim of the Old Worlds? If the myths just kept the terminology of "The Outer Rim", that rim would shift outwards, the meaning would change. Given the jump ranges involved and how crazy hyperdrive in the past was, travelling there from Lave probably wasn't that easy, there's 1,174 star systems in the 57ly range from Lave, so even if you know the exact range you need to travel, there's over 1000 star systems to search - Back then that would have been a huge haystack to hide a needle - interestingly it's not a million miles away from the total number of star systems in the original Elite game (including the other "galaxies"). Click to expand... But we started from Sol, not Lave. And Shinrarta Dezhra is much ...

The problem with trying to extrapolate distances from previous versions of Elite is that they weren't set in the Milky Way galaxy. This meant that distances were essentially arbitrary since they didn't have to correspond to any 'real world' scale. Any calculation that tries to square this circle is going to put Raxxla well inside the Bubble, with the result that you're limited to looking for a system that doesn't contain a body called 'Raxxla' - as somebody would already have found it. Theorycrafted reasons for it not being called Raxxla fail on two counts - firstly, it would be lame and secondly there is no mechanism by which the 'real' identity can be uncovered. Simplest solution is that Raxxla is several thousand LY out and nobody has stumbled across it yet. Click to expand... I do...

With all this talk of whether Raxxla could be in the bubble, I am reminded that the definition of 'rim' (no sing at the back) is "the upper or outer edge of an object, typically something circular or approximately circular". This to me suggests the edge of the galaxy and I don't see why that reference would have been used to describe a location on the surface of a 'sphere' (bubble).

With all this talk of whether Raxxla could be in the bubble, I am reminded that the definition of 'rim' (no sing at the back) is "the upper or outer edge of an object, typically something circular or approximately circular". This to me suggests the edge of the galaxy and I don't see why that reference would have been used to describe a location on the surface of a 'sphere' (bubble). Click to expand... The fact that it's described as 'the outer rim' rather than just 'the rim' suggests that there is also an inner rim. So we're looking for a toroidal structure. Maybe Raxxla looks like this... Spoiler

My mistake on this one chaps, it's And Here The Wheel, not Out Of The Darkness! I keep saying OOTD instead of AHTW for some reason, but that was the first time I've not spotted it before posting! Click to expand... It’s easily done. It’s the frequent calling up of FFE and other lore that worries me, when I thought FD have said something along the lines of “if it aint in-game , in Galnet, or in the ED official books it aint lore for ED” and even then what a character says may not be completely true.

It's "ED is informed by past games but not bound to them". So mining FFE (and other games) for lore clues is often valuable as long as you don't get bogged down in the detail too much. I generally work on the principle that anything from past games needs to be taken as myths and stories until details are confirmed in the books or ED itself.

edit- where does that saying come from? it’s not in the The Dark Wheel! Click to expand... One of the missing missions, "Obfuscated in The Outer Rim". Class 'X' is a definition in a file someplace. There's no evidence that there are any class X objects in game. Click to expand... Reference. X (= exotic ) SupermassiveBlackHole A_BlueWhiteSuperGiant F_WhiteSuperGiant M_RedSuperGiant M_RedGiant K_OrangeGiant RoguePlanet Nebula StellarRemnantNebula Click to expand...

I've literally just finished OotD and TBH I don't remember them talking about Raxxla, I was mostly looking for Thartgoid lore , must have been a small part? Click to expand... Raxxla is not mentioned at all in OOTD (just done a search on my ebook copy) Click to expand... My mistake on this one chaps, it's And Here The Wheel, not Out Of The Darkness! I keep saying OOTD instead of AHTW for some reason, but that was the first time I've not spotted it before posting!

This ship log will be used to document the assumptions, facts, theories and efforts surrounding Raxxla, with the ultimate goal of locating Raxxla. All commanders willing to join are most welcome. If no new entries are made by me for a period of 2 weeks, you must assume that I have been eliminated by the Dark Wheel, swallowed by the abyss, or found Raxxla and have gone there. I hope for the latter (but will probably send pretty postcards). Raxxla A planet in another galaxy? with an alien construct that's a gateway to other Universes. The Dark Wheel found it (and lost it?), and will keep it's location secret at all costs. Assumptions Raxxla exists and can be found. Supporting indications: The existence of the Dark Wheel faction which is strongly connected to Raxxla. Missions[2][3][4][6]...

Not wishing to be a damp squib, but I guess it's not in game yet, rather like the generation ships suddenly appeared recently. Click to expand... It is in-game and has been since the start, confirmed by DB. https://canonn.science/lore/drewwagar-raxxla/ "David Braben said “It’s out there and we (FD) know where it is.”" That doesn't mean that a) It's currently possible to find it, or b) it's possible to do anything with it yet. And here's Drew saying he asked DB directly, that's where the quote comes from, so if you want to call Drew a liar, go for it https://www.drewwagar.com/lore/elite-dangerous-lore-raxxla/

The tiny little bit obvious thing. The unique clue as I wrote (and you quoted) are these missions; https://player.twitch.tv/?volume=0.8&video=v66487974&time=1h40m30s Click to expand... Yep, that's why I think it's founders world too. A journey everyone has to take for themselves - earning elite status to get there, and "you have to make it a tiny bit obvious" - most people looking for Raxxla head off into the black, And that makes total sense in terms of a place that's hard to get to, takes dedication, etc. But, founders world is a place that, IMO fits all the clues and is hidden in plain sight, and is an earth-like world and takes a personal journey to get there. Maybe the reason some Raxxla hunters don't like it as a potential solution is maybe because it's too easy? it's right ther...

If you can find a connection between Sirius and the year 2814 you'll have me convinced. Click to expand... What's 2814?

Yeah. Well, I was forgetting that, in this game where even light is faster than light, a rogue planet also could be FTL .... What I mean is, there is some lore describing Raxxla as a "rogue planet", so at some time it was. If now it is bound to a system or visiting...it must have moved very fast since. But NVM Click to expand... I don't believe that there is any canon lore implying that Raxxla is a rogue planet. If memory serves the Rogue Planet concept comes from Drew Wagar's very excellent Oolite Saga which is a work of fan fiction. Don't get me wrong; that doesn't disqualify the rogue planet theory it just means that it isn't backed up by any canonical sources.

'A place that isn't a place. A door but also the key. Click to expand... The thing is, the text you quoted has "obfuscated in the outer rim" as title... IF we give credit that this Elite mission is related to Raxxla. I bet it is. I won't search for Raxxla in the Bubble.

Just posting the following from TDW for reference: "Rafe chuckled and shook his head. 'You see, that's the big question. Your father was chasing the mythical plant Raxxla. Does it exist, or does it not? If it does, then on Raxxla there's an alien construct that's a gateway to other Universes, and all that's in those Universes in the way of bounty, and treasures, and aliens, and life . . . 'Jason Ryder was convinced that Raxxla existed. That's why he trained for, and became a part of, the Dark Wheel, the legend-seekers. I hadn't heard much from him or about him for some time until just before he died, when he told me he'd found evidence for the real existence of Raxxla. He came back from Deep Space to get a proper team together . . . ' Rafe smiled bitterly. 'But just before he was ...

Where's the stuff about The Dark Wheel actually knowing the location of Raxxla coming from? In TDW, Jason never actually found it, and according to And Here The Wheel, The Dark Wheel never found Raxxla. Also, it was confirmed at some point that a lot of the Gen ships had FTL. Can't remember when, but it was in one of the livestreams IIRC. Click to expand... I'm trying to remember. I'm sure I came across something somewhere that said that Raxxla was guarded, there were people living there that would kill to protect the secret. Maybe Reclamation? I will try to find the source, I may have totally made it up... Not sure about the gen ships having FTL. The ones I know about, didn't. Not sure why a generation ship would need to be a generation ship if it was FTL capable... There's these w...

Where's the stuff about The Dark Wheel actually knowing the location of Raxxla coming from? In TDW, Jason never actually found it, and according to And Here The Wheel, The Dark Wheel never found Raxxla. Also, it was confirmed at some point that a lot of the Gen ships had FTL. Can't remember when, but it was in one of the livestreams IIRC. Click to expand... I'm trying to remember. I'm sure I came across something somewhere that said that Raxxla was guarded, there were people living there that would kill to protect the secret. Maybe Reclamation? I will try to find the source, I may have totally made it up... Not sure about the gen ships having FTL. The ones I know about, didn't. Not sure why a generation ship would need to be a generation ship if it was FTL capable... There's these w...

I'm trying to remember. I'm sure I came across something somewhere that said that Raxxla was guarded, there were people living there that would kill to protect the secret. Maybe Reclamation? I will try to find the source, I may have totally made it up... Not sure about the gen ships having FTL. The ones I know about, didn't. Not sure why a generation ship would need to be a generation ship if it was FTL capable... There's these which I got my info from: Here MB seems to have altered the date, he says "from the 24th Century", but there's no specific mention of FTL - though he also says "thousands of lightyears" - and to be fair, this does talk about "the Missing", not just Generation ships, but any and all missing ships/colonies, etc. I suspect 24th might be a typo (since the later Galn...

Took a bit of finding, but here you go: Post from CookieJarviz "You people seem to forget that the missing can only go as far as 1000ly. and you say the ancient's might be the missing/ a lost cononly. but they specifically went for systems with ELWs" Reply from Michael Brookes: "That's not strictly true. Most of the missing aren't on generation ships - they're just the most famous - and oldest. The later generation ships were also capable of FTL." https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...9-The-Canonn?p=4862189&viewfull=1#post4862189 Click to expand... Awesome Also BTW forgot to mention, Jameson's Mycoid attack was around 3150-3151 since that's when the war ended and all Thargoids vanished (Sarasvati logs).

I'm trying to remember. I'm sure I came across something somewhere that said that Raxxla was guarded, there were people living there that would kill to protect the secret. Maybe Reclamation? I will try to find the source, I may have totally made it up... Click to expand... That'll probably be the people that had Jason Ryder assassinated. From the last page of TDW (following directly from the quote I posted above): "'But why?' Alex asked. 'Why kill him for finding Raxxla?' 'Because there are people on Raxxla already. This is only a guess, mind you, but from what happened to Jason I'd say it was close to being right. We've long suspected that a corps of élites lives there, and are exploiting the gateway. They're powerful, twisted men. Powerful enough to hire an assassin to kill the ...

Looking for confirmation. To the best of my knowledge any mention of Raxxla is completely missing from Frontier: Elite II and Frontier: First Encounters, correct? Click to expand... Yes. Raxxla was never mentioned in any game ever. Actually, it's not ever been in any game prior to ED (and afaik it's still never been actually mentioned in game). EDIT: Sorry, let me qualify this a bit: Raxxla wasn't in Elite, FE2 or FFE as a named object (no-one found it via data-mining or anything like that). It wasn't mentioned in the FE2 Gazeteer or FFE Journals. I don't believe it was mentioned elsewhere, but it's possible it was mentioned in the short stories that accompanies both games - though I don't think so (been a while since I read them), and I haven't been able to find the searchable ve...

Well, I've become pretty interested in this mystery recently, and emailed FDev asking (maybe) for a Christmas hint, here's the response I got back: https://Please use another image host/gallery/X3EpE Click to expand... Why would FDev state the word 'planet' in the same format as that of [RAXXLA]? I think the non-italicised 't' could just be a mis-selection of the text, but curious why they would not just type 'planet' as normal? Incidentally, for those who like this sort of thing, [PLANET] and [RAXXLA] have the same number of letters... cypher perhaps?

Raxxla Right after x herculis X pupis left Again Ummm

Dear God just read all 88 pages Firstly I think all the anagram and other kabbalistic musings are way too complicated and heavy on the tinfoil The hints of FD seemed to suggest it was right in front of our face and thus much simpler. I'm really doubtful its within the bubble. Returning from deep space to recruit for an expedition i would have thought is just that. Why is nothing more made of "Take a line from Rearte to Riedquat to the edge of the arm? Thst seems pretty clear. My only other thought and where i don my tinfoil hat relates to in plain sight. That in fact we should be investigating the Elite Pilots of the Federation and not the Dark Wheel. The Pilots Federation Secrecy monuments message is very odd. Not only does it hint at layers to the group, but it speaks of deliberate ...

...and that they won't be giving us any clues about it. Click to expand... At that question asked by DJTruthsayer MB answered: " ... mmmmh ..That's true, but I think you have to make some of it a tiny little bit obvious etc..." which turns this actually to be both the best and unique clue. But what am I telling you, Doc ? You were there, participating at the interview chat in real time ! Ninja'd I don't recall anything about "in plain sight" or "hidden" to be honest. Click to expand... Remember that this "celestial body..this place that is not a place..that key which is also the door...the myth" is told to be " obfuscated ..." What I can't determine, is if it is obfuscated because of being far away in the " outer rim" or because some other reason.. I suspect it being in a tiny ...

We can assume that the real date is something different then. Click to expand... I though you trusted the feds?

@lorrad Odin's ravens are named 'Thought' and 'Memory'. Caw caw caw indeed. [Edit] That would make 'The myth' be the Edda. Click to expand... Hugin and Munin.

The correct quote from the mission is: So, still 26 characters long but only when including punctuation. If we're going to assume this is a riddle then "the Myth" is probably also important. Honestly, I believe that Raxxla is only visible to a quad-Elite player, maybe also needing max Fed and Imperial ranks and max Alliance rep. When it's visible that's when we need to know where to look, and I'm sure the missions will appear then to help us find the way. So when I asked before there was a triple-Elite player but no quad-Elite player. Anyone care to admit they're played more CQC than is healthy? Click to expand... This is what I was thinking as what if,,, The whole thing the original mission texts is setup like koans the resolution of which lead to enlightenment the location of Ra...

now you put down that way a place that's not a place a door that's also the key 2 lines 26 characters each hum,,, Click to expand... The correct quote from the mission is: Place that isn't a place, Door that is also the key. The Myth. Click to expand... So, still 26 characters long but only when including punctuation. If we're going to assume this is a riddle then "the Myth" is probably also important. Honestly, I believe that Raxxla is only visible to a quad-Elite player, maybe also needing max Fed and Imperial ranks and max Alliance rep. When it's visible that's when we need to know where to look, and I'm sure the missions will appear then to help us find the way. So when I asked before there was a triple-Elite player but no quad-Elite player. Anyone care to admit they'r...

You might be forgiven for thinking this describes Raxxla: "...and even its location is closely guarded. This secrecy is maintained by the EFP using 'misinformation' - there are a great many rumours of its rough location - and they all contradict each other. Only a select few - the members of the EFP - know the truth." Spoiler "Tourist Spot 0251 Much of what the Pilots federation does revolves around secrecy; and this has many layers. Within the Pilots Federation, the Elite Federation of Pilots is even more mysterious and secretive, and at the centre of that is the elusive 'founders Word'. It is the only system directly controlled by the EFP, and even its location is closely guarded. This secrecy is maintained by the EFP using 'misinformation' - there are a great many rumours of its r...

Cool, thanks for the link, I think what's most interesting is the lack of any offical responses - that sort of makes me feel that it's not a mistake... But still no answer I guess - I don't think they'd have re-named it, at least not without any sort of reference in-game, it's certainly not Epsilon Indi. Zelada would be possible (though it's in the wrong place from what I can tell), but that's also a system of historical interest and is also mentioned in Lore - so either at some point during the 3100-3200's everyone decided to change the system name for a while and then change it back, or they're two different systems. While it was just that one ED reference I was willing to put it down to a typo or something, but now it's shown up in a few different Lore places then it seems more and mo...

Thought there were to be no clues? Where did The wheel of time turns crop up? Not read any of that series (though may have read a couple of his Conan books, decades ago), any possibility there may be a clue there? Click to expand... The wheel of time is from the 'What was lost will soon be found' mission: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Find-Raxxla?p=2652622&viewfull=1#post2652622 Pay attention Jorki.

Song of the Spheres could also refer to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica_universalis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonices_Mundi A version of which I believe was on Voyager's golden record. That, combined with Derthek's return, means we have truly come full circle.

Thanks for seconding the motion. I did have the idea that it was Derthek, Dommaarraa or Delmonte... but wasn't sure exactly. In any case, I know I wasn't just imagining that I remembered it. That was an entirely possible scenario. Stange that this gets brought up now though, as I'm currently back in NGC 6357, which, if you might remember, was Derthek's space whale. He was convinced there was something there. Click to expand... If memory serves correct... Ive done the opposite/equivalent/whatever-you-want-to-call-it of Sol, Alioth, Achenar, Polaris, Varati, and CL Pismis 24 as both cmdr Canonn and Derthek getting first discovered tags in all but Sol's opposite (CMDR Fuchov I believe holds the tags for Sol's opposite) Ive also done Sol's equivalent in East and West parts of the galaxy...

Is it still possible to get the Obfuscated In The Outer Rim mission? If so, where? Click to expand... They were handing them out at Jameson Memorial but have since gone away...I think just shortly after 2.3 dropped.

Think the fr thread and raxxla thread should merge, both looking for same thing. Click to expand... Nope. FR thread found the FR. Raxxla thread not yet found Raxxla. The clue's in the name Seems there is a Cmdr Holdstock or something like that in the game. Robert Holdstock, iirc, was the creator of Raxxla in his books. For what's worth ... Click to expand... There's nothing special about NPC Rob Holdstock -I killed him and claimed the bounty once, was disappointingly easy even for my poor combat skills. It was memorable for saying "Receive x bounty for killing the outlaw Rob Holdstock" or similar though, F10ed for posterity somewhere.

Dumb question from a Commander just starting out. I'm sure this has been discussed previously somewhere, but FD has said Raxxla is in the game and can be found, but that doesn't seem to suggest "can be found, right now." Is it possible that Raxxla is currently permit locked? Click to expand... FD had said last year the Raxxla was out there and was accessible as they informed us we would know that we had found it, if we entered the system it was hidden in. Obviously, many explorers are tackling the problem brute-force, going to the far reaches of the galaxy and scanning down system after system to locate Raxxla based on what FD said. They also said many more Mysteries are out there yet to be discovered.

I originally took Fyrd for granted as meaning when you find Raxxla you'll know it so was chiding you who knows their stuff to the front page for the Brooks and Braden quote though it would be interesting to know where exactly Fyrd heard just entering the system and you'll know comes from. The only certainties we have are the Mbrooks and Dbraben quotes but they do mean its been there from the beginning so Horizons not required even if its been enhanced since then even the 32 bit version can find it, the rest is tinfoil. The withdrawn missions may be a clue or not. I know all the rifteres in their heart thought of the rift as a warm-up for Raxxla and considering it wasn't found until spoon fed says what it does. The odds are literally unimaginable. "I found Raxxla and all I got was this...

That's cool then. I've never felt Raxxla and the Rift are related but whenever someone mentions them both in the same breath (so to speak) it makes me wonder if I missed something I did find something I can't track it down, anyone have any ideas about this: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous ED kickstarter page: "Pledge £35 or more Download a digital copy of the official sequel to “The Dark Wheel” novel, plus all rewards above." I also found this thread: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/16354-quot-official-sequel-to-quot-The-Dark-Wheel-quot Which suggests this book is Elite: Legacy. Is that confirmed? I've not yet got round to that one (currently on Lave Revolution), has anyone read Legacy? I know Raxxla and the Ryder family decedents featu...

There's loads of stuff in all the ED novels that is not in game. In fact, I just made a list from AHTW, but it's not relevant to Raxxla so... ...but do you see the similarity? Raxxla, Cirag, both in TDW but not in Elite; Hassan's Homeworld not in ED; loads of places from AHTW not in ED... the list goes on for all of the ED books and probably the FE2 and FFE stories too (and don't get me started on Imprint, I was so sad when I worked out that all that stuff wasn't in Elite Plus). Just because it's in a book, doesn't mean it's in game. The reason we're actually looking for Raxxla is because they have said that "it's out there and we know where it is". Of course, we're assuming "out there" means in game

Okay. So. The logic: In 1980 Robert Holdstock's The Alien World, written under the pseudonym of Steven Eisler, is published. This is the first known reference to something named "Raxxla" and also contains a reference to a people collectively known as The Dark Wheel. A people who had been displaced in time and space by passing through a wormhole. In 1981 Robert Holdstock's Where Time Winds Blow is published. As the name suggests Time Travel is a key element within the narrative. It may just be possible that Holdstock was aware of a very obscure time travel novel published in 1939 by, of all people, a nun named Sister Mary Catherine. This particular novel, now long out of print and largely forgotten, had a very interesting title: The Dark Wheel. The title page of S.M.C.'s The Dark Wheel c...

Except that it's been chased already and nobody ever found it. Given that FDev didn't manage to actually put the Zurara next to an ELW, do you really imagine they hand-crafted a system 400 LY outside the Bubble just to tie in with Reclamation? If you believe they did that, then you'd have to believe that they put Octavia's base between Ferenchia and Mistra - which they didn't. Hassan's homeworld is more a unicorn than Raxxla. Click to expand... Has anyone checked the alignment of Monoceros with Camelopardis, Perseus and Andromeda? Or possibly the centroid?

Is that the same DrewW who told us that the Rift mystery wasn't a POI? Do you have a link for where he stated that it was in-game? Click to expand... I think wires are getting crossed here and we’re going off-topic. DB said Raxxla exists in-game and MB said there will be no clues to it. DW checked on Hassan’s homeworld as people were interested & I seem to remember he said it’s there but is unimportant in the FRift storyline. DW said the FRift mystery wasn’t a poi -the mystery was the Dynasty Conspiracy by The Club and Zurara was the visible evidence of that plot in the FRift. now can we get back to the hunt for Raxxla without any clues? Seems that a lot of people make a connection between Raxxla and the Rift. I'm curious if there's any actual reason for this link that I've misse...

Okay. So. The logic: In 1980 Robert Holdstock's The Alien World, written under the pseudonym of Steven Eisler, is published. This is the first known reference to something named "Raxxla" and also contains a reference to a people collectively known as The Dark Wheel. A people who had been displaced in time and space by passing through a wormhole. In 1981 Robert Holdstock's Where Time Winds Blow is published. As the name suggests Time Travel is a key element within the narrative. It may just be possible that Holdstock was aware of a very obscure time travel novel published in 1939 by, of all people, a nun named Sister Mary Catherine. This particular novel, now long out of print and largely forgotten, had a very interesting title: The Dark Wheel. The title page of S.M.C.'s The Dark Wheel c...

You did go back to 1917? (not 1918 as you say in your previous post) Also can/did you allow for the altitude of Mt. Wilson. Click to expand... Yes, I did 1917 and Stellarium has Mt. Wilson observatory programmed in as a default location so it should account for altitude. Vega would have been on or below the horizon until about 30 minutes to an hour after the observation was supposed to take place. Makes sense, Doc. Do you suggest an exhaustive survey of Sirius Corp ships movements ? Click to expand... I'm honestly not sure how to proceed. Do you think Sirius Corp fits somewhat in the 'tiny little bit obvious' - thing ? Click to expand... I certainly would at that.

[yesnod] [yesnod] [yesnod] [yesnod] [yesnod] [yesnod] Yes... the biggest gap in my theory is that it requires Frontier to be able to pull something like this together which is not something that they've proven themselves to be adept at. But heck. I've chased Cassiopeia A. I'm willing to pursue another phantom if need be. Click to expand... DB is keen on astronomy, he might well know the Mt Wilson story.

Okay. So. The logic: In 1980 Robert Holdstock's The Alien World, written under the pseudonym of Steven Eisler, is published. This is the first known reference to something named "Raxxla" and also contains a reference to a people collectively known as The Dark Wheel. A people who had been displaced in time and space by passing through a wormhole. In 1981 Robert Holdstock's Where Time Winds Blow is published. As the name suggests Time Travel is a key element within the narrative. It may just be possible that Holdstock was aware of a very obscure time travel novel published in 1939 by, of all people, a nun named Sister Mary Catherine. This particular novel, now long out of print and largely forgotten, had a very interesting title: The Dark Wheel. The title page of S.M.C.'s The Dark Wheel c...

I came across something that is almost certainly not at all relevent, but thought it was interesting: We all know: "A Certain celestial body. Place that isn't a place, door that is also the key. The myth." I always thought it seemed familiar: Yog-Sothoth Also known as ... The Key and the Gate, ... Opener of the Way http://lovecraft.wikia.com/wiki/Yog-Sothoth "...Yog-Sothoth is the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the key and guardian of the gate. ... He knows where the Old Ones broke through of old, and where They shall break through again...." ~ The Dunwich Horror by H.P. Lovecraft

The author of "And Here the Wheel" has chimed in with a Drew Clue like post https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nd-Here-the-Wheel-quot-(may-contain-spoilers)

Stuff I was thinking about driving to work....the two x's in Raxxla intrigue me. is the "L" in Raxxla definitely an "L"? What if it was a number 1? If so then what if the two x's represented a binary star system. One star with a Rocky world and an Ammonia world orbiting, the other with a Class 1 Gas Giant, and an Ammonia World orbiting. I've no idea how to search for specific system layouts. What if the word Raxxla represented a journey Ra --> mysterious "xx" --> La. This one I'm less sure about. Not sure what they could mean. Click to expand... I'm going to come across as a naysayer again but wasn't Raxxla first mentioned in Robert Holdstock's "Alien World" illustrated guide (produced under the pseudonym Steven Eisler), which pre-dates even TDW? I don't think the name is tied to El...

Look a few pages back, Jaiotu already found the original use of the name in some literary work from the first half of the 20th century. Click to expand... Yes, that was kind of my point (by way of reminder). Thinking further though, it's not inconceivable that the star Jaitou is theorising about was encoded into the name Raxxla by Robert Holdstock in a manner similar to the one Evoflash describes... ...does that qualify me to have my own tin-foil hat too?

Many possible interpretations of the mysterious double X. In Egyptian mythology Ra would be the sun and La(Lah) would be the Moon. Putting the XX between them. Not that it would help us much. Click to expand... That must mean Raxxla is Earth! Problem solved! everyone start digging!

Where is the source for the quote “Raxxla is not a POI”? It’s the first time I’ve come across this & as far as I know the only clues we have from FD are that Raxxla has ben in game from the outset, they know where it is, and there will be no clues related to it. Is this a misinterpretation of DrewWagar’s quote that the Formidine Rift mystery is not a poi? (It wasn’t-the mystery was the Dynasty Conspiracy and their Exodus plot, but it was revealed through a poi which was the Zurara).

Hmm Maybe the dark wheel refers to a circumference from sol or founders world, that is a distance of the edge of the bubble and as it turns. Raxxla location on the hub moves too. Hence dark wheel I.e its in the black and wheel shaped. Obfuscated or hidden in the outer rim and 49 atietis. Isnt that where the thargoids have reached. Suggest a circumnavigation of the bubble edge?

Where is the source for the quote “Raxxla is not a POI”? Click to expand... I'm pretty sure that comes directly from conflating the Formidine Rift Mystery with Raxxla. As far as I am aware the only "Mystery" to which the statement "not a POI" was attributed to was when Drew stated that the Formidine Rift wasn't one ... which, although true, turned out to be a misdirection as unlocking the mystery of the Rift turned out to be a POI ... making me kick myself for turning those off in the navigation filters while out Rifting. The best (only?) clue I've seen from anyone at Frontier was when DJTruthsayer got Micheal Brookes to say that it has to be "a little bit obvious".

Where is the source for the quote “Raxxla is not a POI”? It’s the first time I’ve come across this & as far as I know the only clues we have from FD are that Raxxla has ben in game from the outset, they know where it is, and there will be no clues related to it. Is this a misinterpretation of DrewWagar’s quote that the Formidine Rift mystery is not a poi? (It wasn’t-the mystery was the Dynasty Conspiracy and their Exodus plot, but it was revealed through a poi which was the Zurara). Click to expand... Yes, I made a mistake here, that quote was relevant to the Formidine Rift mystery. I have no notes, had a bit of a headache yesterday (not onionhead related), trusted my creative intuition while more focused on searching for a comet. Such nice think-outside-of-the-box type of gameplay. ...

Interesting. I assumed "The Club" was something Drew created for the book and not something bigger. I have to rethink some things. Click to expand... Same, that changes things quite a bit. Nick work Makahi! Raxxla : I was told, in person, by David Braben in 2014 that it was in the game and Frontier Devs knew where it was. I was never part of any background lore that I was made aware of or read - so I personally don't know where it is. Click to expand... I read somewhere, can't remember where, I think it was the Authors Notes in And Here The Wheel (maybe) that the writers were told specifically that the one topic they couldn't write about was Raxxla, which is why AHTW goes after Soonil but still wraps in a lot of old Raxxla lore. I took this to basically mean "we've got plans for...

Sothis was first discovered for EDSM by J. Calvert (Joshua) on Mar 15, 2015, 2:31:13 PM. 1st mention of Sothis in Galnet appears to have been in a PowerPlay article in which Utopia was planning to establish a Commune there: https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/31-JUL-3301 2nd mention of Sothis in Galnet. Also PowerPlay. Utopia's efforts to establish a presence in Sothis faltered: https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/07-AUG-3301 3rd mention. Sothis Crystalline Gold. Interesting (almost alchemical) Rare commodity that was hinted at having future applications: https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/25-SEP-3301 4th mention. "Li Yong-Rui was disappointed, as deals that would have incorporated additional systems into the Sirius portfolio fell through. Sirius's inv...

Sothis was put on the map after an Exploration CG held by Sirius corporation, in this particular region. Sothis and a few other systems were renamed from their generic version to their current names. This was back in February/March 3301. There has neve been an explanation to why Sirius Corporation wanted to expand in this direction. It's worth noting that Sothis is on a direct line from the Core, towards H&S/EAFOTS. Click to expand... Reading the Wikipedia article for Sirius produces a lot of familiar names: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius Look at the section labeled "Observational History". Sothis. Ceos. Robigo. All names connected in some way to Sirius, the Sothic cycle, etc.

Yeah...from this point of view, makes sense. By the way, I guess it already was stated, but, anyway.. Ticushpakhi - 49 Arietis: 190 Ly, as from Varati and HIP 8603, more or less. Where is the fourth vertex (in the outer rim of the bubble) of this tetrahedron (center: Ticushpakhi or Mariyacoch) Han_Zen, please ? (I will ask about the octahedron..later ) What does "A Certain celestial body. Place that isn't a place, door that is also the key. The myth." really mean? (I still think it's music related). Click to expand... Imho, 'Place that is not..' because Raxxla is some kind of witchspace. 'Door that is also...' because it's an open portal to this witchspace free of PF's control, key to jump anywhere you want (locked systems/regions, unreachable PSR systems). 'Celestial body', because...

Reading the Wikipedia article for Sirius produces a lot of familiar names: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius Look at the section labeled "Observational History". Sothis. Ceos. Robigo. All names connected in some way to Sirius, the Sothic cycle, etc. Click to expand... Yes, they are all there. There is even a connection to the reoccurring fungus, in the form of wheat rust. The Sothic cycle is easy to interpret as a 'the wheels of time turns' connection. It could also be just a play on the Sirius name, with no deeper meaning.

I have to say, just found the FRift thread closed for myself and my instant reaction was anger. Why the **** was it reopened if it was just a wild goose chase??? Anyway, from what the mod said, at least we know that FD are clearly DONE with the FRift. I was just saying to a friend yesterday that at present, I get more fun coming to these forums to discuss and tin-foil than I do actually playing the game. What a sorry state of affairs...

Had a bit of a tinfoil thought last night as I was working on my ship. Generally I’ve been looking at Greek/Roman mythology for clues, mainly because of the naming of the planets in Salomé’s home system that tells her life story via those mythologies. BUT, Salomé and her ship have their namesakes in Biblical mythologies. Which makes me think that Salomé was actually not really what she claimed. Salomé tricked and seduced people to do things they shouldn’t do in these stories. So what if Salomé is the bad (thargoids etc. talking about making shipments with the darkwheel with containers that it’s not important that you know what’s inside sounds a lot like the Thargoid baby deliveries in the dark wheel novella.) and Raxxla is the opposite. The answer to the problem. So in biblical mythology w...

The Vain Queen rides not forth/She rides a Giraffe! I just got done poking through Tionisla, checking on the Graveyards status post 3.0 (Its still not there) when i saw the tourist beacon about the Partly Decoded Curious Transmission again. "The Vain Queen rides a giraffe that remembers her Daughter's hero". Now i'm most DEFIANTLY not the first CMDR to look at this and note the Beacon's location (where the famous Orbital Graveyard should be) and think "this might be the start of something, possibly related to Raxxla". BUT i started digging nontheless. I remembered this Galnet article: https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/58ef455321863e482879779d. "The vain queen rides not forth". The Queen again. (Summarizing for time) The Riddle eventually led to the "official" discover...

The 'Architect' also mentions the split of the CIEP and Dark Wheel being a few years back and at that time Raxxla had not been found. Time has passed so the Architects information could be out of data. The Admiral 'Psycho'Kowsky has also been in hiding for many years, so his data could also be out of date, but was correct as of when he went into hiding. Or was it????

Quite. The Guardians' puzzle can be cracked in a day. The Formidine Rift took, what? Nearly two years? Even then Drew had to spoon feed us the answers. Raxxla? We may be no closer now then we were when the game went live. It is my sincere hope that, if we find it, we find it through perseverance and hard work. I'll be extremely disappointed if they decide to spoon feed us some easy clues to hurry us along. I'd rather search for fifteen years, find nothing and watch them decomm the game servers first. Click to expand... We need to keep our eyes open in all direction, I think. The latest Gauardian codex transcriptions shows IMO. a suspicious similarity between Guardian relics and SAP 8 Core. Codex 17 and 18: 17/28 : Technology Log – Relics This data relates to the objects we have terme...

That is actually a very interesting theory, sadly I am unable to recognize constellations... But I will try to identify some of them if I reach my destination soon. Click to expand... The problem is that constellations seen from Earth are based on a star's apparent brightness and not in the star's proximity to other stars in the constellation. Trying to view a constellation from any other position in the galaxy would result in some of the constellation's stars shifting out of the constellation while stars from other constellations move into view. Bottom line: Constellations are only relevant to their apparent position when viewed from Sol. Once you change the point of reference as an observer they lose meaning.

Which makes nebulae be so interesting .... Click to expand... Yes. Nebulae would be visible from multiple angles as long as they aren't obscured by other nebulae or dark regions of space. That is what made Cassiopeia A such an interesting prospect. As a radio source Cas A is one of the strongest sources in the galaxy. You would expect, that if faster-than-light travel exists in the real universe some place like Cas A would become a natural "magnet" that alien species could travel to and meet up with each other. At least that was part of the reason for our expedition (has it really been over a year?). Sadly there is no Cas A in-game but one wonders what other interstellar landmarks exist that would have drawn multiple species out to investigate? Apparently the Pleiades is one ...

There is also the Regor Sector, with Gamma Velorum at its center. Even Professor Melville predicted he was close to the Guardian home system, and The Cete is just a few jumps from it. Also check this out https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...xxla_and_the_vain_queen_yes_i_know_about_the/. I know The Rift Riddle is mostly considered solved. And if the idea of seeing the constellations from another system is a bust, i could be thinking in the right direction.

Been thinking ... it could be quite possible that the Guardian Ruins are somehow linked to Raxxla. Rafe Zetter did say that, on Raxxla, there is "an alien construct that's a gateway to other Universes". So far we know of only two confirmed Alien races that have to potential technological advancement to create something on the level of Raxxla: The Thargoids or The Guardians. Perhaps the reason we can't find any living Guardians is because they used Raxxla to escape this particular Universe? Chalk this up to just another one of my random musings. If Raxxla is connected to the Guardians then it is just a matter of time before someone pursuing that particular mystery stumbles upon it. Me? I'm going to proceed forward as though the Guardians and Raxxla are two separate things.

I have a Robert Holdstock question (still thinking that Raxxla might be related to Holdstock's non-Elite literature). The dedication at the beginning of his novel Mythago Wood reads: For Sarah cariath ganuch trymllyd bwystfil Does anyone speak Welsh? Google translate renders this as "wolf shook a horrible beast" which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

RAM TAH RAX XLA YES the guardian ruins and constructs are tied to Raxxla o7 Click to expand... I'm more likely to be convinced that Liz Ryder has a connection to Raxxla then I would Ram Tah.

I have a Robert Holdstock question (still thinking that Raxxla might be related to Holdstock's non-Elite literature). The dedication at the beginning of his novel Mythago Wood reads: For Sarah cariath ganuch trymllyd bwystfil Does anyone speak Welsh? Google translate renders this as "wolf shook a horrible beast" which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Click to expand... Only the essentials - Diolch, Yaki Da, Popty Ping. Anyway, another online translator comes up as Cariath wounded a horrible beast. Cariath, seems to be a word for city, and part of the name of cities specifically biblical ones. Cariath Arba being Hebron for example. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...HwQ6AEINTAD#v=onepage&q=cariath welsh&f=false Some speculation: Possibly it's a poetic reference to humanity...

Since 3.0 I have been more or less convinced that Raxxla will be integrated to the main alien story of Elite. A long story arc, beginning from mysterious transportations of data crystals, to thargoid ships, scanning guardian spheres, and what ever lies beyond. I would say next we are going to see artificial intelligence aspect slowly starting to emerge, discover some new guardian modules, finally unlocking some system permit locks, and Q4 update. Maybe we are looking at a major plot twist or two of some kind, thinking what is really going on in the Milky Way or something, and Raxxla begins to be mentioned in the Galnet news every now and then. A personal journey of a kind.

BREAKING NEWS! Raxxla is a PLANT: From the last chapter of Holdstock's The Dark Wheel: Rafe chuckled and shook his head. 'You see, that's the big question. Your father was chasing the mythical plant Raxxla. Does it exist, or does it not?If it does, then on Raxxla there's an alien construct that's a gateway to other Universes, and all that's in those Universes in the way of bounty, and treasures, and aliens, and life... Click to expand... It's online at World of Spectrum if you don't have it. I have the ZX Spectrum version, checked and it was copied without error - the book contains the same error. We're meant to be looking for a plant guys...

Oolite saga, Mutabilis, near the end. I know it's not canon but I doubt that Drew (after having access to the Frontier Alien Background book) would have spoiled the "concept" or "nature" of Raxxla. Click to expand... Wait, you are referring to some novel's character saying, not actual Drew stating anything on Raxxla, right? I mean - even if any character now, inside E would say anything, that wouldn't mean he/she is right.

New thoughts regarding Raxxla. It is supposedly a rouge planet, yeah? Click to expand... No. While it can't be ruled out the concept of Raxxla as "Rogue Planet" comes from Drew Wagar's Oolite Saga which is fan fiction. I wouldn't put any weight behind any of Drew's description of Raxxla from those books. While I enjoyed the Oolite Saga as much as anyone it's important to recognize Canon from non-canon and, since even The Dark Wheel novella is considered non-canon that leaves us with very little to go on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all we have to go on, in terms of concrete information, is the fact that FDev said Raxxla's in the Milky Way and that they know where it is, correct? Click to expand... That is pretty much it. A while back Drew had a page up on his site that supposedly contained all the related lore on Raxxla that he could reveal without breaching his NDA. The page has been pulled but others have archived it. The only real Canon references I know of are the brief mention in And Here the Wheel and the existence of CoR in Premonition (CoR can't exist unless the belief in the existence of Raxxla is part of the Elite universe)

The thing is, Drew Wager is a writer for Elite now, yeah? What type of body Raxxla was, hasn't been discussed elsewhere and Lave 2 (where Oolite's Raxxla was) is locked off. It would seem that DB has taken into account these 'legends' and incorporated them into the ever evolving myth. The other thing to consider is that parts of other Elite games were changed in the new lore making them 'non-cannon'. I doubt that Holdstock's book was thrown out totally as we still see its influence in Elite Dangerous. What I'm saying is, DB hasn't fully said what the canon is. We don't even have (as far as I can tell) a canon timeline of events from DB. This is deliberately done to get us to find out what really happened. With Braben, you never know if Wager's 'legend' was incorporated. This isn't the fi...

That is pretty much it. A while back Drew had a page up on his site that supposedly contained all the related lore on Raxxla that he could reveal without breaching his NDA. The page has been pulled but others have archived it. The only real Canon references I know of are the brief mention in And Here the Wheel and the existence of CoR in Premonition (CoR can't exist unless the belief in the existence of Raxxla is part of the Elite universe) Click to expand... Specifically: Spoiler -------------- "The Admiral raised an eyebrow at Robert. ‘You’re not so young that you don’t know the name ‘Dark Wheel’?’ ‘Treasure Hunters.’ He thought of Dad, being tucked up in bed, covers up to his ears, listening to stories of the Ryder family and the monsters the Dark Wheel found beyond explored...

No. While it can't be ruled out the concept of Raxxla as "Rogue Planet" comes from Drew Wagar's Oolite Saga which is fan fiction. I wouldn't put any weight behind any of Drew's description of Raxxla from those books. While I enjoyed the Oolite Saga as much as anyone it's important to recognize Canon from non-canon and, since even The Dark Wheel novella is considered non-canon that leaves us with very little to go on. Click to expand... The thing is, Drew Wager is a writer for Elite now, yeah? What type of body Raxxla was, hasn't been discussed elsewhere and Lave 2 (where Oolite's Raxxla was) is locked off. It would seem that DB has taken into account these 'legends' and incorporated them into the ever evolving myth. The other thing to consider is that parts of other Elite games were ch...

That is pretty much it. A while back Drew had a page up on his site that supposedly contained all the related lore on Raxxla that he could reveal without breaching his NDA. The page has been pulled but others have archived it. The only real Canon references I know of are the brief mention in And Here the Wheel and the existence of CoR in Premonition (CoR can't exist unless the belief in the existence of Raxxla is part of the Elite universe) Click to expand... A bit late in responding, but the page was taken down as Drew's focus shifted (I believe), but was moved over to Canonn's site: https://canonn.science/lore/drewwagar-raxxla/

It's not much but to the point about Raxxla being MB's thing, I did cheekily tease this out of DB in a recent tweet: https://twitter.com/Elliott_M_UK/status/976144448957698048 I'm guessing (hoping?) therefore that Raxxla hasn't been totally abandoned.

Hi all, I am a long time lurker. Somehow is my first post here to,this thread. Concerning MBs relation to Lovecraft. I found an interesting comment from him on a book about Lovecrafts Cthulhu Myth. Can be found here: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show?id=1822830318&tab=book The Cthulhu Myth sounds quite interesting. Info can be found here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos What do you guys think? Is there a possibility that Raxxla and the Cthulhu Mythos are connected?

Is it possible? Certainly. Is it likely? I personally doubt it. If Mr. Brookes had wanted an Elite/Cthulhu connection he had ample opportunity to do so in writing Elite Legacy. Click to expand... Ah ha! Clear evidence of misdirection! And only a glancing reference to Raxxla, 14th word on page 58 in chapter 6 of his 455 page book! And yet visiting coordinates of all possible combinations of the numbers in all four quadrants, still no Raxxla! Yet I see many have been there. Suspicious absence indeed! Don't all Cthulhu stories end with the gate opened and "Say anyone notice an off switch?"

Is it possible? Certainly. Is it likely? I personally doubt it. If Mr. Brookes had wanted an Elite/Cthulhu connection he had ample opportunity to do so in writing Elite Legacy. Click to expand... I don’t think that there will be a 1:1 connection to the Cthulhu myth. But there could be similarities. For example in the C-Myth there is a place called Rˋlyeh. Which is a lost city that will appear at a certain star constellation. So this could be the same for Raxxla. Also there Aare the Dreamlands which are gates to other dimensions that can be found in far away areas and are dangerous to be found. Furthermore there is a dark (rogue?) planet in our solar system named Yuggoth with large dark cities as well as Black rivers and an old civilization living there. So IMHO there are some s...

Wow, only ONE mention of Raxxla in his book? I don't have any of the books, I'd be grateful if you'd share the sentence with us (won't help us find it, just curious). Click to expand... "As a girl she'd even dreamed of being the first pilot to discover Raxxla. Her father disapproved of such tales when she'd been a child. Even so, the desire to head into deep space called to her." a paragraph of creamed wheat,, though dreamed not dreamt war of the grammarians

Last night I decided to go as heavy on the tin-foil as I could manage. I found myself headed to each star in Orion's Belt. The belt consists of three stars, Alnitak, Mintaka, and Alnilam. Working off of the claim in TAW that the Oisir founded Egypt and that the pyramids were a part of the machine to create the gateway, this made me think of the link of the Great Pyramids and the Orions Belt connection. The Pyramids at Giza are claimed to be the physical representation of Orions Belt. Three pyramids, three stars, in mathematical harmony. This is called the Orion Correlation Theory. This also made me think of how easy it is to gain ally status with Sirius by using Explorer data over say doing bounties or trade. Sirius likes explorer data. Can this be tied together? Alnitak and Mintaka ...

[/I]There is a whole secret cult of evil men,,," line seem ported directly into The Dark Wheel and Premonition, connecting the Club and the Dark Wheel through it's use? Click to expand... Robert Holdstock did write a series of horror novels under the nom de plume of Robert Faulcon (Faulcon deLacy!). No telling where he got his inspiration but one cannot rule out the possibility of an influence from Lovecraft.

I honestly think that Raxxla was retconned out of the series in both FE2 & FFE along with the edible poets from the original game. Click to expand... It was. Bear in mind Raxxla has never been mentioned in any of the three games, and there's people who have done serious data-mining on all the old ones and there's no planet, object, system or anything called Raxxla. It's not in any of the missions or in-game journals that I could find. This site and similar ones are pretty good for info on the FE2 for example: https://www.sharoma.com/frontierverse/rumours.htm Essentially Raxxla is only (that I'm aware of ) in TDW, and has never actually been in-game until now. The comments by MB and DB confirming it's in ED (in some way) is the first time that I'm aware of that it's ever been officiall...

Nothing exciting to report from Epsilon Orionis I'm afraid mate (other than it being quite a nice system). No nav beacon though. The route wasn't bad, it's just the route plotter struggling when it would need to divert around a bit of a permit locked route. Image of the route below if you're interested: Spoiler https://i.Please use another image host/P5J70wS.jpg Click to expand... The place isn't totally uninteresting. Main star is an actinic blue. The orbiting black hole is fairly small at 8 solar masses so you can get within 26 Km from it's center. The system nearly has all jumponium except arsenic. Two of the landables are about 2700 diamater so searchable if you like and the third landable at 7G is a challenge. https://Please use another image host/a/bYGds

Hello fellow tinfoil-wearers! Have you seen the last three comments from November 4, 2017 on the Raxxla-page of the Elite-wiki? They were all made by the same person (according to the saved IP - that btw. belongs to an ISP only about 100 miles from Frev HQ) and provide some interesting info i haven‘t seen before. Here are the 3 posts: Especially the directions from Lave to Ben Ryders Gateway at a hidden system 1 jump away from Tionisla cought my interest. The second quote is also quite mysterious, as afaik the original Elite did not have Raxxla in game. I also did research on that „Micro Bit Computer Magazine“, but could not find any trace it ever existed. What do you guys think? Is this already known info? A troll trying to mislead, ramblings of a madman or actual hints from someone in...

It's definitely a troll. The game was implemented in kilobytes and has been pulled apart and folded back together so many times that if Raxxla were hiding in the code we'd know. The game was written long before Holdstock was hired to write the manual and The Dark Wheel novella ... and we know that Raxxla was Holdstock's invention as it appears in The Alien World a few years prior. Braben and Bell would have had to totally recode the game and exceed the limited resources of thec8 bit computer era. Anyone who played the original would quickly identify that the depth of gameplay described goes way beyond what Elite had to offer. Also... Check out my link a few pages back to an old interview with David Braben where he confirmed that Raxxla did not exist in the original game. There have bee...

Supporting evidence of my earlier claims about the Orions Belt/Barnards Loop connection. Orion Molecular Cloud Complex Also, 3 stars of Orions Shield/Bow, in Pi Orionis, are located in Col 70.

Dont miss that part where they found Egypt and built the pyramids wrong but built them nonetheless. And also were than known as Horus by the locals. The Talmor Lens really sparked my interest when the newest Guardian site was found and it projects beams of light into the sky. Talmor was my first thought when seeing that.

My checklist is long but I'll report my finds along the way. •Raxxla Checklist• Scan Ursa Major-☆ Scan Orion- Scan Pleiades- Scan Leo- Scan All Egyptian God Systems- Triple Elite-☆•• Sirius Ally- Dark Wheel Ally- All Possible Permits- Fed Rank- Empire Rank- I scanned all the Primary stars and Nav Beacons in the 7 primary star systems in Orion but have now decided to do all of the rest making up the whole constellation, then into the Pleiades. Thanks for the respectable response. My angle is that TAW and TDW are closest and most reliable information we can draw on for this search. My efforts are an attempt at seeing if the Orion Correlation Theory are in game. In TAW they say that the Oisir built the pyramids as part of the portal machine, the Talmor Lens and IRL Orion and ...

My checklist is long but I'll report my finds along the way. •Raxxla Checklist• Scan Ursa Major-☆ Scan Orion- Scan Pleiades- Scan Leo- Scan All Egyptian God Systems- Triple Elite-☆•• Sirius Ally- Dark Wheel Ally- All Possible Permits- Fed Rank- Empire Rank- I scanned all the Primary stars and Nav Beacons in the 7 primary star systems in Orion but have now decided to do all of the rest making up the whole constellation, then into the Pleiades. Thanks for the respectable response. My angle is that TAW and TDW are the closest and most reliable information we can draw on for this search. My efforts are an attempt at seeing if the Orion Correlation Theory is in game. In TAW they say that the Oisir built the pyramids as part of the portal machine, the Talmor Lens, and IRL Orion ...

Hello fellow tinfoil-wearers! Have you seen the last three comments from November 4, 2017 on the Raxxla-page of the Elite-wiki? They were all made by the same person (according to the saved IP - that btw. belongs to an ISP only about 100 miles from Frev HQ) and provide some interesting info i haven‘t seen before. Here are the 3 posts: Especially the directions from Lave to Ben Ryders Gateway at a hidden system 1 jump away from Tionisla cought my interest. The second quote is also quite mysterious, as afaik the original Elite did not have Raxxla in game. I also did research on that „Micro Bit Computer Magazine“, but could not find any trace it ever existed. What do you guys think? Is this already known info? A troll trying to mislead, ramblings of a madman or actual hints from someone in...

New thing? Get your Tinfoil ready. I'm not sure if anyone has seen this before... http://shift-line.com/card.php?device=47 What is going on here? What's with the starmap on there? Is this some sort of crazy deep-AR clue? Did Fdev set up this website and produce this device to give us a clue?

Wreaken. Them having access to Col 70 is very suspect. Click to expand... It is very suspect. But haven't you heard? Wreaken got wrecked last year by the GCF. Though i also heard they may have made something of a comeback. I've also been told that the reason why they are in Col 70 is mentioned in "Premonitions", but i haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

Look, so much has been posted in so many medias by so many people about Raxxla ... I, for myself, stick to the game and what MB actually said: 'there will be no clues ? mmmh..that's right, but you have to make a tiny part a little bit obvious so people know what they are doing'. If someone here knows what he is doing, please let me know. [yesnod] But I bet, since MB left/was retired from ED and the disappearance of the Elite missions, this also may have turned out to no longer be valid. Raxxla is no longer a certain celestial body? Ok. I would not be surprised by another FDevs inconsistency inside their own game ... EDIT: I suspect someone is erasing the net of some statements and declarations ... As I too can't find a DW declaration about the "alien background secret book" ... I am s...

They haven't said its reachable, or that we'd know it when we find it, etc. Click to expand... "... a journey that everyone has to travel for himself .." Doesn' it imply it's (was) actually reachable ? Or maybe travel for .. nothing ? Maybe time to make a resume of what we actually know (IF nothing changed since ..) "... a journey.." : some quest-like ? Not enough stumbling into the right system ? "..for himself " : some kind of requisite is needed. Rank, rep, permit.... " ..R is in the game and we know where it is ." Non procedural body. Must have some name. Otherwise a known POI inside a procedural system ? Game developer or computing engineers threaders may be able to say if possible. "... bit obvious .." TDW faction ? What else ? " .. celestial body...The Myth .." Self explana...

I can appreciate the whole "no clues" thing. With the inconsistencies of FD, all the changes that have been made and the history of this game, I feel it would be reasonable to ask FD to make a one time statement concerning the cannon for Raxxla. Aside from cloak and dagger comments that have been made, has FD ever been flat out asked: Does Raxxla exist in game? Is it a reachable place? Will we know when we have found it? Ive read all the stuff too. It sounds to me like this is all been answered, but am I just hearing what I want to hear? Click to expand... Yes. I'm on my phone so can't find it now, but both Michael Brooks and David Braben have both confirmed Raxxla is in game right now. They haven't said its reachable, or that we'd know it when we find it, etc. The wisest assump...

I'll just quote Canonn from Canonn on this one: 'Alas, the Dark Wheel is not considered ‘canon’ for Elite Dangerous so we cannot rely on this description of Raxxla, [...].' (Source: https://canonn.science/lore/drewwagar-raxxla/) Assuming that Raxxla is not what we think it is, is justified. EDIT: By the way, because you explicitly highlighted "A planet": "Planet" is greek and means wanderer, which could technically refer to a person. Click to expand... Strictly speaking you are correct. The Dark Wheel is not 'canon'. There are however plenty of clues that point to the core elements of The Dark Wheel story line being a part of this version of Elite's history. John Harper's And Here the Wheel reveals that The Dark Wheel exists as an organization and cements the Ryder family's role in t...

From my understanding so far The dark wheel never found Raxxla. In the Dark wheel nouvelle Jason Ryder found proofs of its existence and paid with his life for it. content from The Dark Wheel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Jason Ryder was convinced that Raxxla existed. That's why he trained for, and became a part of, the Dark Wheel, the legend-seekers. I hadn't heard much from him or about him for some time until just before he died, when he told me he'd found evidence for the real existence of Raxxla. He came back from Deep Space to get a proper team together . . . ' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I haven't get my hand...

The only mentions in the "new lore" that I'm aware of are in And Here the Wheel where we learn of CIEP's connection to TDW and the Ryders and in Elite: Legacy where it is mentioned that Julia had dreamed of being the first to find Raxxla. Of course the Children of Raxxla are mentioned in Drew Wagar's Premonition but I don't think Raxxla itself is discussed. This is all strictly from memory though and I may have missed something. I'm not a real doctor. I only play one on the forums Click to expand... Might ask Liz, she might know what her cousins Oberon and Neptune were up to. I figure she got really good at explosive by reverse engineering Soontill bits so maybe she's on the wrong branch of the family to worry about Raxxla. I brought her 1000 tons of fish to try and get her to talk b...

I'll just quote Rafe Zetter from The Dark Wheel on this one: 'Raxxla's no alien, Alex. It's a ghost world. A planet. A legend . . .' Click to expand... I'll just quote Canonn from Canonn on this one: 'Alas, the Dark Wheel is not considered ‘canon’ for Elite Dangerous so we cannot rely on this description of Raxxla, [...].' (Source: https://canonn.science/lore/drewwagar-raxxla/) Assuming that Raxxla is not what we think it is, is justified. EDIT: By the way, because you explicitly highlighted "A planet": "Planet" is greek and means wanderer, which could technically refer to a person.

The understanding that I get from reading And Here the Wheel is that the CIEPers broke away from TDW because Soontill seamed like an easier target and apparently it was because they did locate Soontill and setup a base of operations from there. You are right ... there is no indication that The Dark Wheel ever found Raxxla though it is interesting that The Dark Wheel minor faction seems to have settled down in Shinrarta Dhezra and we don't really see there vessels out scouring the galaxy as one would expect if they were truly still off on the quest. The only mentions in the "new lore" that I'm aware of are in And Here the Wheel where we learn of CIEP's connection to TDW and the Ryders and in Elite: Legacy where it is mentioned that Julia had dreamed of being the first to find Raxxla. Of co...

Strictly speaking you are correct. The Dark Wheel is not 'canon'. There are however plenty of clues that point to the core elements of The Dark Wheel story line being a part of this version of Elite's history. John Harper's And Here the Wheel reveals that The Dark Wheel exists as an organization and cements the Ryder family's role in that organization. It also reveals that the quest for Raxxla became a primary goal of The Dark Wheel. Drew Wagar's Premonition contains a character who appears in every way to be Elyssia Fields from Holdstock's original novella. Click to expand... Okay, lets assume for a second that "The Dark Wheel" is canon. It doesn't change anything, because Raxxla is a myth even within the canon lore. It's entirely possible and furthermore likely that the in-lore chara...

Yeh, sorry, my bad. The only confirmed info on this is from Michael Brooks, as he stated that Raxxla is in the Milky Way. Sauce: https://player.twitch.tv/?volume=0.8&video=v66487974&time=1h40m30s

Is it, though? Raxxla is according to "The Dark Wheel" assumed to be a planet. It's not a myth about a planet. At least that's what I got when I read the books. Click to expand... The most concrete statement that we have about Raxxla is from Rafe Zetter in The Dark Wheel: 'Raxxla's no alien, Alex. It's a ghost world. A planet. A legend . . .' Unfortunately this concrete is about as solid as Jello because we have no idea what portions of The Dark Wheel novella are canon and which are ... canon fodder. Still ... I'm holding onto Rafe's testimony about what Raxxla is and isn't out of shear necessity. Without Rafe's descriptions of Raxxla there isn't much of anything else to go on.

Has anyone looked into the elite opening screen? I’m not talking about the menu screen with “Start”, “Training”, etc., but the screen you click before that one, the screen that starts the game. You see the giant words “Elite Dangerous”, an elite symbol, and a planet at the bottom of the elite symbol. Background is star constellations. The actual elite symbol doesn’t include that little circle (which looks like a mysterious planet) at the bottom, correct? The star constellations on that opening screen may be a significant clue to finding Raxxla. What if Raxxla was right in front of our faces this whole time?

After they closed down the old Formidine Rift thread we had to find someplace to use the stuff. Still have a stockpile. Click to expand... It's self replicating actually. You'll never run out … LuckyLuke.... That's a name I've not heard in a long time. Click to expand... I've been around, here and there... mostly trying to get PRIA off the ground, which seems to have crashed and burned for the time being … Beware LuckyLuke ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB5isaB32QA Click to expand... just .. LOL Indeed. After our success with the Rift mystery it's only a matter of time luck before we uncover Raxxla. Click to expand... To be fair, Mr. Wagar did end up leading us right to it with his poem … although we had a lot of the pieces already.

Was this message in Tionisla ever fully solved, or did people just say it was related to the Formidine Rift mystery? “the vain queen rides a giraffe that remembers her daughter's hero” I couldn’t find any hard conclusion relating this message directly to the Formidine Rift mystery. With the Tionisla Graveyard connection and “antique” Cobra MKIII, seems like the only real lead in the game. I know these words refer to 4 constellations that are all near each other on a star chart. And the Cetus’ Bane cobra... were any real conclusions made on this? Is it possible there is a cipher using the keyword Raxxla here?

Has the video detailing the art source book been posted? I can't remember the specifics but I'll find the link, basically a CMDR finds an old Sci-Fi art book that the original Novella author tied a lose story too, it's contains Raxxla, I'll find the link if needed. Click to expand... I'm not sure if the video ever got posted in this exact thread but I think I know the video you are referring to. A certain player who used to play under the in-game name of Finn McMillan found a copy of The Alien World by Steven Eisler who turns out to be Robert Holdstock who wrote The Dark Wheel? A pudgy middle-aged guy wearing an Elite Dangerous logo ballcap if I remember correctly. Here's a link to the relevant portions extracted from The Alien World: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HuDtu7J_IMWF7...

The Rift ending was simply pathetic. Raxxla turning out to be in SD would be ... well... better I let it down.

Was this message in Tionisla ever fully solved, or did people just say it was related to the Formidine Rift mystery? “the vain queen rides a giraffe that remembers her daughter's hero” I couldn’t find any hard conclusion relating this message directly to the Formidine Rift mystery. With the Tionisla Graveyard connection and “antique” Cobra MKIII, seems like the only real lead in the game. I know these words refer to 4 constellations that are all near each other on a star chart. And the Cetus’ Bane cobra... were any real conclusions made on this? Is it possible there is a cipher using the keyword Raxxla here? Click to expand... That is entirely related to the Formidine Rift. The details can be read in Premonition. Cetus' Bane was from an old CG and just never got removed.

I've always wondered if Halsey's Comments ever had any weight on the mystery esspecially that one "Halsey Shares her Vision" article https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/20-SEP-3302 As for the Procedural systems that contain "Raxxla" in the name. I don't think the Procgen systems will contain anything since the naming conventions are just denoting Startype, Mass, age, etc of the main star. Jackie Silver posted something about that a while back that explains why the systems are named that way.

I've always wondered if Halsey's Comments ever had any weight on the mystery esspecially that one "Halsey Shares her Vision" article https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/20-SEP-3302 As for the Procedural systems that contain "Raxxla" in the name. I don't think the Procgen systems will contain anything since the naming conventions are just denoting Startype, Mass, age, etc of the main star. Jackie Silver posted something about that a while back that explains why the systems are named that way. Click to expand... Could be Raxxla that Halsey saw. However, as I recall it, Halsey was abducted by god-like creatures and that doesn't sound like anything Raxxla. Smiled at the last sentence in the article I asked Jackie about the system names, and nothing notable came to light.

I also don't see how MB's IRL clue "a little bit obvious" would fit with FDev HQ being Raxxla... :S

Alright folks! Was watching the livestream, the chat message in question (!) was ‘Steve, blink twice if Raxxla is in the bubble’. Hence the smiles, plus Steve displaying an admirable amount of control over his blink reflex!

Which live stream? The one from yesterday? Also where in the livestream was this? At what time? Click to expand... Yeah, the Lavecon review one. I can't remember and honestly can't be bothered to go back and find them. One was middish way in, the other was almost at the very end, both times it was a response to something in chat, they never brought it up themselves. Sandro (I think) played over the first one as some sort of spider joke and the second time everyone just grinned and looked at camera.

Everybody knows that Raxxla is obfuscated in the outer rim.It's (was) in the game. The question is: are FDevs consistent ? Click to expand... This refers to the myth. From Macros’ first post in the thread: Mission [2] mentions a rumour that talks about:"A certain celestial body. Place that isn't a place, door that is also the key. The myth." I am not aware of any myth along these lines other than Raxxla, so it’s a fair bet Raxxla is what this is about. However this phrasing is interesting. Definition of “obfuscate” is “make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible”, so indicates an intentional attempt to hide something or garble the meaning. So is this actually a clue that the characters of the word Raxxla have been garbled to create its location? Systems containing the phrase (e.g. RA XX-...

Not sure if this has been stated before, but here is the supposed origin of the raxxla idea(according to the internet searching I just did.). Did anyone use this info to try to find it? http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Raxxla http://ski-ffy.blogspot.com/2012/02/alien-world-complete-illustrated-guide.html Any equivalence to this in the game? I also found this image. I can't read it completely and I don't know what it is from.(Apparently clicking on it helps!) https://twitter.com/cmdrisokix/status/799557809079746560?lang=en This is also interesting but I'm assuming it is related to the formadine rift. Unless they are related. PLAA AEC IZ-N C20-1, PRU AESCS DL-W C15-37, EAFOTS EU-R C4-1 Not sure what this is but it looks cool. Tower of Isokix. https://twitter.com/CMDRISOKIX/stat...

Okay so I Tweeted David for a more official confirmation on whether it truly is "In range" or "within reach" of an "unmodified" or "stock" Cobra MK3. etc. I've heard different variations and the meanings can change things. For instance, if it's "in range" that can be referring to the Jameson crash site. Because that is the only MKIII that I know something could be in range of. Of course there could be the more obvious referring of the jump range, but just trying to cover all meanings. See what I mean? A slight differing of the way something is said and the whole meaning is fudged up. Granted there was a meaning in the first place.

The only official hint FDev have given is that there will be no hints. Click to expand... don’t forget MB’s ‘location needs to be a little bit obvious” (or words to that effect)

Here we go folks, from the livestream today and courtesy of Stuart GT's summary of the DB section: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-from-his-segment-on-3-1-launchday-livestream Q: Does Razzla exist? There's an interesting one, what a silly question, of course. You don't know what it is though.

Didn't notice this before. Also didn'thave this pic. But there is a space in between his beard hair locations and it looks just like the shape of the eye in the original Raxxla painting.... (AKA his mouth area.) { "lightbox_close": "Close", "lightbox_next": "Next", "lightbox_previous": "Previous", "lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.", "lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow", "lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow", "lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen", "lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails", "lightbox_download": "Download", "lightbox_share": "Share", "lightbox_zoom": "Zoom", "lightbox_new_window": "New window", "lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar" } That is actually quit interesting. It's so well shaped in this ...

Now apparently Michael Brookes, with FDev, has stated, in a forum reply, that players have gone through the system it is in, but have not scanned the bodies there. Click to expand... It. Will. Not. Die.

Okay I think I know what's going on here, pertianing Raxxla. This is taking everything that has been said on the matter in to consideration. 1.) David Brabern said, "it's within range of an unmodified Cobra MKIII." There might be more to this point, but for now let me list the other statements. 2.) Michael Brookes allegedly said, "Players have been through the system, but have never scanned it" in these very forums, once...but I can't find it. 3.) Michael Brookes also said, "There will be no clues." 4.) David Brabern said, "It's out there and we (FD) knows where it is." Point one may be alluding to it being near Jameson's crash site (unless there's another MKIII laying around --perhaps Rebecca's has yet to be found? Anyway this can also be more simply referring to total jump range...

"The Eye Of The Beholder. A Raxxlan projection which appeared above the primitive world Winter D, populated by sentient, but unadvanced insectoids. The Eye became an overwhelming symbol of the evil that stared from the heavens, so disorienting the creatures that the Oisir-Raxxla were able to build their structure and depart without life being lost." Click to expand... Could this mean that a Gate could be found on or around a world called "Winter D" or something similar? A quick search in EDDB and I only found the System Fimbulwinter which has no Body "D" except for the Moons 2d and 7d. I know Alien World is not Cannon, but we since don't know what cannon in withing ED with regard to Raxxla, we can make up anything...

Mass-codes stop at letter H, so there cannot be RA XX-A L Systems. If it's in the Name, it can only be a System with A mass code, so a very light Primary star, like all the Brown dwarfes I've found in those Systems. But here I'm asking again: should we look for Raxxla or maybe for Oisir? The start sceen is edited for the looks. There are no stations in such low Orbit between a such Close binary pair of planets. Nothing here. Click to expand... I’ve rechecked the system naming & see that the system must end with “A”, but if obfuscated implies garbled then couldn’t RAXXL be permutated? Don’t think “Oisir” has much going for it; The Dark Wheel novella used the name “RAXXLA” as, from what DW said, did David Braben. Agree that the close orbit f the station in the start screen is suspicio...

Here we go folks, from the livestream today and courtesy of Stuart GT's summary of the DB section: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-from-his-segment-on-3-1-launchday-livestream Q: Does Razzla exist? There's an interesting one, what a silly question, of course. You don't know what it is though. Click to expand... I also asked -again- if the lost missions would be reinstated again during the segment with Will & Adam (1hr42). The question was directed to Adam but Will answered it - and no surprise, fobbed off again with "no information about that at the moment", "but as soon as we do, we'll let you know". What is it now, 2.5 years since they got left out, bug reports and livestream/Q&A requests for an update and this is still all FD can say? I think those missions are never comi...

I just noticed something. DW=DarkWheel,DrewWagner... The truth myth is out there!! https://canonn.science/lore/drewwagar-raxxla/ This is very similar to this... https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/I...ipIBSkHNa10qhfz-ozpMDA3bFoyCyAojRNq1nFr64=s85 This image appears to be broken. And now very tiny... Drag it into a google search. It's about the children of raxxla coming home. Not sure if it's cannon or the player groups content. or both or neither. Coincidence?! Now that I'm seeing that image in really large scale I'm noticing there is something like writing in the reflection of the eye. Is it Hebrew? Can Raxxla be spelled in Hebrew, Arabic or Aramaic? Look at the top of the blue part of the eye. And the top of the black of the inner eye for that matter. It looks like that or Japanese......

I think it ties into Sirius, personally. The Waypoint planet. The old way to access Raxxla used to involved flying around the Lave system, clockwise, twice and then jumping to Tionisia in no less than 7-9 jumps (back when jump ranges were very poor). Click to expand... Huh? Raxxla doesn't exist in any of the official games of the Elite franchise (except for this one, of course). The games have been torn apart and datamined for decades by people looking for Raxxla; nothing has ever been found. Is this from an official Elite book?

Ok, there you go.. Click to expand... Wow ! I have been looking for them since the last beta ! Thx ! Lots of speculations but no science going on lately from what I can tell! Please prove me wrong though. Click to expand... Well, if you are interested in the ancient E/F missions and want to look into them... what about some elementary geometry ? Plot the clusters where they appeared first, then the other three, look at the distances between them and draw your own conclusions [yesnod] And if you want make me a favour, as soon as you reach Elite, get allied with TDW at max rep, then fly to Ticushhpaki (Peral) and Maryacoch (Chamitoff), note the rep you have with the commanding faction and the first speech of welcome before doing any mission for them. Nothing special ? I would like ...

Tried selling trinkets, sap 8, and the prohibited research stuff to The dark wheel, and a few other factions with no results. Note: have not yet tried selling a whole set ( all the items the mil couriers carry). Flew to a ton of stations, and did not see any missions related to the cargo. Bevan's Hope seemed to have a much higher spawn rate of mil couriers than altair. Next I am going to chase down a possible link to the "metadrive" mentioned in galnet a while ago. ( sirius & alioth) Perhaps the cargo is the raw materials to build something ( possibly new fsd), and only a specific faction can build it for us? Edit: There were a few stange npc names. One har the name of the writer of " the dark wheel" ( in altair). Probably just random chance, but still strange. The other was like 3 group...

https://Please use another image host/a/NsnhSHD From the Log it looks like it was an npc. I tried to catch the wake, but it disapeared just before i could get to it. { "timestamp":"2018-07-03T19:04:14Z", "event":"ReceiveText", "From":"$npc_name_decorate:#name=Rob Holdstock;", "From_Localised":"Rob Holdstock", "Message":"$Propagandist_Patrol05;", "Message_Localised":"Get combat bonds today, fight for the winning side!", "Channel":"npc" } https://Please use another image host/a/NsnhSHD

There were a few stange npc names. One har the name of the writer of " the dark wheel" ( in altair). Probably just random chance, but still strange. The other was like 3 groups of 3 letters seperated by underscores. ( initials maybe?) Click to expand... Interesting, as short time ago I posted a system first discovered by "Holdstock". Do you remember the exact name of the NPC ? Anyway, it seems weird things are happening around these Military Couriers... If actually related to Raxxla, do FD want us to play in wings and pewpew to solve this Quest ? Would be in SS's line... The personal journey-thing would no longer be a point... Also, it seems TDW is missing the party... What do you think the tinfoil underpants are for? Click to expand... For preventing Cosmic Gonorrhea ?

I said this somewhat jokingly, but if you (can) plot out all the Braxxla systems can/do they make a particular pattern? Maybe it reveals something. They looked like they were all in the same area. Or many were. It would be funny if they make an arrow or a bullseye or something. Or an image that looks like the wheel of raxxla. No reason not to exhaust the idea. 8) (I would do this but the game is not working on linux atm and I don't know of any websites that would let you do this easily and I don't knwo for sure what all of them are.) I think if anything else you could try to make sure the image is perfectly lined up and edit in a paint thing. The one website does use an actual image of the galaxy. Might have to zoom in a bit though which might be tricky. Or can you put in several locations...

Would be too obvious...[haha]. This one (NGC 1502 iirc) was my first hype when I first left the Bubble... Like many others Commanders I guess. Click to expand... Mine was when I set off Riftwards, and somewhere in the area of the California Nebula, spotted a group of stars in a similar shape to the layout of the first Guardian Ruins. Permit Locked as it turns out. And shape changes depending on where viewed from obviously!

I think the star cluster in witch space animation looks like density of B class stars in IC 1805 Sector. Click to expand... Not bad ! My bet is Chi Persei seen from H&S (You know.. Giraffes, Vain Queens, Diadems, Heroes... Not easy to forget...)

Would be too obvious...[haha]. This one (NGC 7822 iirc) was my first hype when I first left the Bubble... Like many others Commanders I guess. Actually, it made me fall in love with ED. EDIT: now I am aware it is in the Camelopardis Constellation... and that for, at certain times of past glory, this diadem of stars would have make me tinfoiling for weeks... (Nice pic by the way !) * sighs remembering the Rift while rearming his AX weapons*

Sorry what other bit? You mean (1)? Or something else? Click to expand... "But I think you have to make some of it a tiny little bit obvious, so people know what they are doing" https://player.twitch.tv/?volume=0.8&video=v66487974&time=1h40m30s But, imho, nvmd... This excellent guy no longer does anything in ED, and it's a real pity... because nobody since knows what he is doing [haha]

but how about Pluto ( ruler of the underworld), or its moon Charon (greek myth ferryman to Hades). Is there a Hades in-game? Click to expand... In game? Idk.. But on the back of MB, sure it is. (Upper left corner) Spoiler https://i.Please use another image host/6GVi9m5.jpg

"Raxxla's not alien, Alex. It's a ghost world. A planet. A legend . . ." - Rafe Zetter "But you don't know what it is" - David Braben While I haven't heard or seen the exact quote that has been floating around from DBOBE (was it from LaveCon?) I would like to submit (I think I've said it before) the fact that if Raxxla is anything other than what is described in Holdstock's The Dark Wheel then any quest of find it becomes meaningless. Lets face it. The only reason why anyone cares about finding Raxxla is because Robert Holdstock did an excellent job of capturing the imaginations of computer game players back in 1984. The original game, with its procedurally generated text, did little to create a sense of a living breathing galaxy. Holdstock did that with his Space Traders Flight Training...

Not sure if this is of any interest, or even that relevant to this thread, but I spose it's Children of Raxxla related... Drew Wagar has been doing weekly discussions on Twitch on the topic of writing. Of course since he's written a number of ED books there's much talk around how Reclamation was put together. I didn't catch all of the most recent one but here's a screenshot : https://i.Please use another image host/gLhGXaG.png?1 Not sure if this is specifically mentioned in Reclamation but this is the location of Octavia's outpost. (it likely is known I think this is discoverable in game). I also asked about Rebecca, again this may or may not be common knowledge but it was news to me. Rebecca Tyley from the Oolite saga is the same Rebecca from Reclamation. Full VOD is here : https:...

Not sure if this is of any interest, or even that relevant to this thread, but I spose it's Children of Raxxla related... Drew Wagar has been doing weekly discussions on Twitch on the topic of writing. Of course since he's written a number of ED books there's much talk around how Reclamation was put together. I didn't catch all of the most recent one but here's a screenshot : https://i.Please use another image host/gLhGXaG.png?1 Not sure if this is specifically mentioned in Reclamation but this is the location of Octavia's outpost. (it likely is known I think this is discoverable in game). I also asked about Rebecca, again this may or may not be common knowledge but it was news to me. Rebecca Tyley from the Oolite saga is the same Rebecca from Reclamation. Full VOD is here : https:...

I don't know who designed that guitar effects pedal, but he seems to know pretty well the Raxxla lore. The 'inside' of the planet showing that network connecting different stars starting from the central main button: Door that is also the key? It is full of stars -like ? Dark system or BRIGHT main star ? Anyone for asking Shift-Line Co what is this about ?

So do people still think it might be in the Formidine Rift? Click to expand... Really ? Well.. it may be in the Rift, why not ? But it's not related to the Rift mYsTeRy. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/285440689 at 01:22:00 (thx to bitstorm [yesnod]) Maybe this clip should go on FP with a big title saying "RAXXLA IS NOT RELATED TO THE FR MYSTERY". [haha]

Door that is also the key. Key....musical? We do know how much FDev like sound based clues... Click to expand... Random brain blast... KGBFOAM contains 4 musical 'keys' (A, B, F and G). Could it be related to star types in some way? Or is this just rabbit-holing on account of a tenuous connection to a musical FX pedal?

I don't know who designed that guitar effects pedal, but he seems to know pretty well the Raxxla lore. The 'inside' of the planet showing that network connecting different stars starting from the central main button: Door that is also the key? It is full of stars -like ? Dark system or BRIGHT main star ? Anyone for asking Shift-Line Co what is this about ? Click to expand... In Order to open a door, you have to first find the key. Also just noticed, on the Galaxy map, Stars will emit sounds when you hover over them. Maybe the pic could be a clue?

Door that is also the key. Key....musical? We do know how much FDev like sound based clues...

Quick question...as the rabbit hole gets deeper. Did the comment "it's in the game and we know where it is" come before or after Ed came onboard as Community Manager? Click to expand... Fairly sure it came long before, & in the chapter 2 livestream interview DB seemed to indicate that Ed doesn’t know anything about Raxxla. I imagine only DB, MB, & maybe a small handful of others are in the know on this. Anyone planning on taking some truth drug to the next conference?

Drew Wagar reported that David Braben had confirmed (I think at the first Lavecon, but see the first page of this thread-Macros linked the original sources) Raxxla is in-game for Elite Dangerous from the outset, he knows where it is, and there will be no clues. Click to expand... https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange..._anything_drew_wagar_author_of_elite/d3o9jqv/

A quote from the original Elite game (?): "Parents tell their offspring the story of a ghost planet, beyond witchspace, lost in the void. The name is interspersed throughout popular culture as a synonym for futility." (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Find-Raxxla?p=3400914&viewfull=1#post3400914)

Sorry, but how's that? You mean Holtzman's No-"things"related ? Could be. But lore says it would need an infinite sum of energy to obfuscate an entire planet. Click to expand... Science says that it would require an infinite amount of energy to accelerate an object to the speed of light, a law of physics regularly broken in the Elite: Dangerous universe. Perhaps Raxxle possesses a device capable of generating infinite power? I'm sure that, where Raxxla in concerned, Frontier would be happy to break the ordinary laws of the game and, of course, of the universe. Of course on of the few hints that we have, that you Scytale, have often quoted, is that 'it has to be a tiny bit obvious'. Well ... it is VERY obvious that Cassiopeia A is missing from the game. I mean, despite Mr. Brooks' ass...

Asellus Primus is one of the traditional names for the star Theta Bootis. Asellus was one of the old constellations that didn't make the cut when the 88 modern constellations were defined in the 1920s. Click to expand... Mmm, can’t rep you either!

Asellus Primus is one of the traditional names for the star Theta Bootis. Asellus was one of the old constellations that didn't make the cut when the 88 modern constellations were defined in the 1920s.

Why would they bother renaming constellations?! Do they lack lives. I get tired of organization changing things like this. I guarantee you they don't fully know the reason behind why they were chosen originally. Even if they are in the field appropriate for it. People in certain areas are way too arrogant. Click to expand... It really wasn't a 'renaming' of the constellations. It was a matter of choosing which constellations to use for astronomical purposes. Almost every culture and civilization looked into the night sky and matched the patterns in the sky with things from their own culture, mythology and folklore. Thousands of competing constellation names where the constellations overlap each other can be very messy. Reducing the number of constellations to just 88 distinct constellat...

Sure thing ! Everything's there ! Click to expand... Bottom right corner looks quite interesting... It's almost as if it's ment to end right there... The forces of good and evil fighting each other, though not quite defending their own gates as they seem to be heading toward the glowing 'eye' being guarded by a tentacled, fleshy horror amongst others. Multiple entries, one goal... Raxxla? Assuming that's it, it would be just off the head of the dragon. Maybe it's off the head of Draco? Just past Thuban...?

It's the hypothetical(relatively likely) planet 9: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Nine Click to expand... Ah, I still count Pluto! Mmm, seem to remember musing (during FRift days) about Persephone being the wife of Hades god of the Underworld, & the (Ishtar’s? My memory is hazy) journey to the Underworld being the basis for Salomé’s journey to enlightenment (discarded crown, etc). Now if Raxxla is “a door that is not a door, a lock that is also a key”, then is the Underworld cropping up again?

The zodiac constellations can be seen when viewing the map from Sol, maybe a couple more as well. Seeing this, I decided to begin my journey to scan all 12 zodiac constellations, as well as a few more. Including Orion, Draco, Ursa Major and Minor. Could the constellations be the road map to Raxxla? To the Polaris Permit? Polaris is the tip of the handle in Ursa Minor. That will be the last jump I attempt. I'm currently using wikipedia to find the stars and am half way done. I'm working in a clockwise direction through the zodiac and can complete about 2 constellations a day. There are quite a few systems involved that are in permit locked areas. This has been a huge task and a very interesting learning experience. https://i.Please use another image host/da5FRQMh.png

Well ... if not Raxxla then perhaps the constellations will lead us to Earth ... Click to expand... mmmhh... look at this, Doc. Spoiler https://i.Please use another image host/1IrIVlz.jpg?4 12 Constellations -->12 stars. Green grass --> Green space dust. Chimera stuff --> Mad scientist stuff... Zodiac is telling you where to search ! Time to fly back to Cass A, Doc ! Fly safe !

mmmhh... look at this, Doc. 12 Constellations -->12 stars. Green grass --> Green space dust. Chimera stuff --> Mad scientist stuff... Zodiac is telling you where to search ! Time to fly back to Cass A, Doc ! Fly safe ! Click to expand... I have a problem with that infographic. The hat shouldn't be a beanie, it should be tinfoil. Aside from that though it does make me pine for another trip to my favorite SNR. Maybe I'll fire up my son's copy of Space Engine.

"The sequel (of Legacy) will be played out in the game (ED)". -MB No need to say, obviously, we count on you to find the common thread runnig through TDW-AHTW-Legacy-ED's Raxxla, Doc ! [big grin] By the way: Spoiler https://i.Please use another image host/JiNwECv.png?2 mmmhh....

Of course DW had already used Raxxla in his Fan fiction stories, so it’s interesting that although he could re-use the Rebecca character he couldn’t re-use Raxxla ... Click to expand... Drew couldn't reuse Raxxla so he created his own: The Rift. Meanwhile Raxxla (and the Rift) got a mention in John Harper's And Here the Wheel and Raxxla got a single throwaway mention in Michael Brooks' Elite: Legacy. I'm sure that I saw somewhere that Legacy was marketed as "the official sequel the The Dark Wheel". I wonder if the whole "somewhat obvious" statement from Michael on DJTRuthsayer's stream might indicate that the answer lies buried somewhere in the text of Legacy? Just a thought ...

From this: https://youtu.be/BolMqymxLxE?t=2348 and https://youtu.be/BolMqymxLxE?t=1618 Two concepts DW was not allowed by DB to touch when writing his story lines: Thargs and Raxxla. And Guardians ? Can we conclude Raxxla is the second major subject in ED and is closely related to Guardians ? And Lave not related to Raxxla. Major point. Also confirmed by DW's tweet that, pretty sure among FDevs, only DB and MB know about Raxxla. (besides the"you don't know what it is, though") Which reminds me the DB's answer " what a silly question, of course". Put in this context: "of course, look at the Guardians, here they are" I see him more as Machiavelli, with those super cryptic teasing hints, rather than an archangel, Click to expand... Maybe from his point of view we are the demons he...

. . Click to expand... Not sure if threads can be renamed, but perhaps we should add "tin-foiling" and "Rifter Retirement Home", or something to that effect, to the title? I know there is that alien/tin-foilery thread in the forum already, but they are far too concerned with Thargoids and Guardians to not be taken seriously.

There is one small scale quest unfulfilled from the Rifter thread and that's Hassan's homeworld. 1." WREDGUIA sector about 400 light years from Sol" - Drew W 2. Binary system: 1 Actinic, 1 Red , init. Click to expand... Does ‘Actinic’ help in some way I’m not aware of? Best I know of that means light in the visible and ultraviolet spectrum. Wouldn’t that be every single star?

Didn't Braben indicate that you have to be 3x Elite to find it? And it is within 1000 ly of Sol. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/287036584?t=01h47m47s

I think Drew W. just liked that word (it is a nice word). Didn't Kahina Loren's home system (Prism) have an 'actinic' star also? Click to expand... Not sure about that, but Hassan’s homeworld did: “Nicknamed ‘niece’ and ‘nephew’ for reasons long forgotten, each added a different hue to the vista; one a warm red, the other an actinic blue.” Excerpt From Elite: Reclamation Drew Wagar This material may be protected by copyright.

Brilliant, Pa ! [yesnod] MB just can not have the evidences of an NDA disrespect tattooed on his own skin ! What if the judge orders for the seizure and forfeiture of the evidence ? [haha] Click to expand... Wasn’t it MB that said the Raxxla location “had to be made a little bit obvious”?

I am not sure who came up with this so it's not attributed to myself; however, there's the Hercules Key Stone Asterism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_(constellation) I checked out one of the stars in it in the galaxy map - it's WAY above the galactic plane, and you'd never be able to reach one of the stars in it. The other stars, I believe are fairly local - in galactic terms. Apologies, that's the only thought from me, and it wasn't mine Click to expand... Alright, bit of a stretch, since I can't see any other connection, but it's worth a shot to explore... I wonder which stars you checked, because the ones in the 'Key Stone Asterism' are Pi Herculis, HIP 84380 (reachable, 7 jumps for me) Zeta Herculis, HIP 81693 (reachable, 1 jump) Eta Herculis, HIP 81833 (reachable,...

Alright, bit of a stretch, since I can't see any other connection, but it's worth a shot to explore... I wonder which stars you checked, because the ones in the 'Key Stone Asterism' are Pi Herculis, HIP 84380 (reachable, 7 jumps for me) Zeta Herculis, HIP 81693 (reachable, 1 jump) Eta Herculis, HIP 81833 (reachable, 2 jumps) Epsilon Herculis, HIP 83207 (reachable, 3 jumps) As you can see, they are perfectly within range and reachable. I'll comb them out, but I'm not positive on them. Click to expand... Apologies - you've made me realise now. I was searching inside the keystone for unusual stars. I think one that sits near the center of them is unreachable. Here's a more concise link - this one lists some of the stars that are over thousands of light years away: http://www.con...

Hi, I've read the first posts and didn't found reference to it, so I've got a question: I've seen references in reddit about some FDev statement saying that someone had jumped into the system containing Raxxla, didn't notice it and jumped away. Is this true?. Click to expand... It's a forum/reddit myth. That statement has never been backed by a source.

(Redirected) Who is Gallun? Original Post From -> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/446114-Who-is-Gallun?highlight=Gallun Was told to ask in here about the character Gallun from the Elite Book's, From what I know he is mentioned a few times in the books however I don't see any information on Gallun here on the frontier forums and excessive google searches on who he was in the lore. I have suspicion that he is someone worth to note in the quest for Raxxla or Soontil. Does anyone here have more information on which books to look at or maybe info on who he/she was?

Original Post From -> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/446114-Who-is-Gallun?highlight=Gallun Was told to ask in here about the character Gallun from the Elite Book's, From what I know he is mentioned a few times in the books however I don't see any information on Gallun here on the frontier forums and excessive google searches on who he was in the lore. I have suspicion that he is someone worth to note in the quest for Raxxla or Soontil. Does anyone here have more information on which books to look at or maybe info on who he/she was? Click to expand... I'm not sure. Are you certain that the character is named Gallun? Could it be that you are actually referring to Gerrun from Drew Wagar's Reclamation?

So, given that MB himself said "Three will be no clues", isn't all this navel gazing pointless? Click to expand... I'd take the statement 'there will be no clues' with a grain of salt. I'd guess that what MB meant was that there would be no clues delivered outside of the game itself or beyond what had already been given. We certainly have been given some clues already: Raxxla has been mentioned in at least three of the official novels and the existence of a faction named 'The Dark Wheel' all serve to underline the fact that Raxxla is still very much relevant to the current game. There are likely other clues hidden somewhere in the game. Besides ... the 'navel gazing' isn't pointless at all. The point of this thread isn't just about Raxxla. Its about community. You could argue that find...

Good to see people tinfoiling. A few points on what might be relevant in the lore. According to John Harper and Drew Wagar, non of the writers got any info on Raxxla. Soontil was specifically created because John was not allowed to touch Raxxla. John has also confirmed that the Dark Wheel never found Raxxla and that at the start of ED, they did not know i where(or what?) it is. Fast, cloaked DBXs is 90% confirmed to belong to Black Flight. A private military unit, operating in the Pleiades. Black flight uses almost exclusively engineered DBXs and their call sign matches the first reports. This is probably the group that kidnapped Palin. It's quite likely that these guys work for the Club.

Miguel Brooks ? Funny. Sounds like a Gibraltar guy or a Brit enjoying a sunny and well fed retirement in La Costa del Sol. Anyway, worth to look into that as soon as I am back in Colonia sector. DW said ( link somewhere here) that afahk only DB and MB know about Raxxla. But, right now, the new Game Director must know too..I think. "If I had a £ for everytime I was asked "Where is #Raxxla?" I'd be able to buy modestly outfitted ship in #elitedangerous. I don't know - I'm pretty sure that only David Braben and Michael Brookes are privvy to the secret. " 08/14/2018

The word Naval is used a lot - out of context in that interview and in the interview with DB at the bar where he says two weird things. One was about the brutality of vultures (maybe the ships) the other was about naval gazing. [FONT="]In Greek, the word [/FONT][/COLOR][I]omphalos[/I][COLOR=#777777][FONT="] means “navel,” and the center of the world according to Greek mythology. [/FONT] Click to expand... Ah ... but "naval gazing" is watching ships set out to sea whereas "navel gazing" is staring at your own bellybutton.

Time to cut down on the coffee, Scyt? Click to expand... Never! I am too much of a coffee guy! Sooner Ol'Pa cuts down on his ignominous Bourbon or you on Arcanonn's biscuits than me on my coffee! The Spice must flow! Some ancient cultures used to call "The Dancer" or "The Phantom" (!!!) the constellation we catalogued as Her. (Hercules)

I wonder if RH, and subsequently DB, are fans of the Dune novels...[weird] there is an Arrakis system in the Bubble iirc... Spoiler https://youtu.be/tJuDZd5T-cw?t=433 ummmhhh..... I definitly must find that Raqs LA, planet.... Spoiler https://www.facebook.com/Raqs-LA-111348712235898/ No wonder why those who live there want to keep it for themselves only. It's a harem planet! Key and Door to the Paradise !

Soontill was only a secret because the Circle of Independent Elite Pilots kept it as such (there was a large illusionary instillation around the planet that obscured its surface. The "space fog"). Robert Garry's gang of pirates destroyed the CIEP leadership and exposed Soontill to the wider galaxy. (After destroying it surface with the starburst, that is.) Click to expand... Yes. Destroying it's surface and, along with it, any evidence of having once been a Thargoid installation ... leaving the status of Soontil Relics as questionable. Are they really alien or are they frauds?

Raxxla is a mythical planet which only appeared in The Dark Wheel novel of Elite. The Dark Wheel is a faction in Elite: Dangerous, where it is confirmed by DB there is a planet called Raxxla. The E/F missions, related to The Dark Wheel faction, are the only known reference to a certain celestial body, The Myth. The E/F missions stopped or are on standby. For me: period. Click to expand... There is also a couple of small parts in Premonition: "Their eyes met. Salomé swallowed. ‘A corps of ruthless, power-crazed elitists hiding behind the scenes. Myths and romantic stories fltering back from the darkness, planets lost in the void. Exaggerated nonsense, surely?’ Arissa chuckled. ‘Tall tales must start somewhere, no?’ Salomé frowned, ‘You believe in … Raxxla?’ ‘No, I don’t,’ Ariss...

Most likely Soontill was just a plot device in AHTW and will never do anything else. The thargoids should know well where it is, after about one million UA have been dropped there to scan the system and the planets. Click to expand... Not to mention the Tourist Beacon about the secret base. Oops, ninja'd by Scytale. Read entire thread, post later, think I would have learned by now.

Maybe it's time for the PF to translate the tourist point 0508 on Soontill to Thargish... It might help them in their search and so let us in peace ... [haha] Click to expand... Perhaps the recent CG to develop a new research centre to investigate Thargoid co munications will bear fruit. We’ll be able to say “what do you want from us?” To which the reply will be “we want you to die!”

I, as anybody with a GalMap, can show them the way to Soontill if so. But I wouldn't be surprised by a new inconsistency in E: D... I don't know if there is a new "personal journey" implemented. I haven't heard about any starting point. Have you ? Click to expand... I am under the impression that MB implied we would need new game mechanics, to be introduced during the Beyond season, to implement the “personal narrative”, but I could be wrong.

For the record, here's what I think about Raxxla's actual state in the game today. It's quite dull and does not sit well with tinfoiling around the galaxy chasing rumours (which I love to do and shall continue) so I'll spoiler it so, once I've got it off my chest, we can all pretend it's not there. Spoiler Why I think it is there:- DB / MB have said Raxxla is in the game and they are on video record saying know where it is. I think this is the origin of the "someone knows someone who met a guy who blew straight through it without stopping." meme. Chinese whispers. A meme in the original Dawkinsian sense, heavily mutated. Drew was told not to touch any Raxxla narrative in his books because FD want to control it. Why I think we won't find it:- There's no way they are ready to begin t...

Going to pay more attention to "a" mass systems in future, though, and also systems where you jump in and there's "nothing" in front of you and you *assume* it's a binary barycentre.

What if it's not a question of finding the planet, but rather you pick a planet, call it Raxxla, and just like that you've found it? Similar to instances like Colonia, or Beagle Point. Click to expand... Well it is a question of finding it because Frontier are on record as saying it's there. OP... Public FD Raxxla statements: DB:Does Raxxla exist? MB:Positive confirmation for Raxxla in the Milky way - DJTruthsayer lore interview with Michael Brookes DW:Raxxla exists and we know where it is Click to expand...

Imho, Raxxla is in ED (What a silly question! Of course!) but the journey everyone must take for himself (AKA E/F missions, the part a tiny bit obvious) no more. I bet MB was the one who was personally in charge of this Quest, and as long as he isn't back, the Quest is on standby. He was the story teller. What could be the story ? Well...would be interesting to read the tinfoilings of our excellent fellow-threaders

I really, honestly, believe that when Michael said there would be "no clues" what he meant was that there would be no clues provided outside of the game. That asking him for any tidbits would be a waste of time. I don't think he meant to suggest that there aren't any clues inside the game itself. I mean, there has to be at least one clue in the game for it to be "a little bit obvious", right? Click to expand... I think the original idea was very simple: - Become Elite - Go to SD(this is the only gating we have seen) - Get the mission and learn(if you have read TDW) that Raxxla is not forgotten. - Read the fine print and find out that someone is still looking for it and that it's(to their knowledge) an obfuscated, celestial body. We have confirmation that TDW(the secret organisati...

I really, honestly, believe that when Michael said there would be "no clues" what he meant was that there would be no clues provided outside of the game. That asking him for any tidbits would be a waste of time. I don't think he meant to suggest that there aren't any clues inside the game itself. I mean, there has to be at least one clue in the game for it to be "a little bit obvious", right? Click to expand... I think the original idea was very simple: - Become Elite - Go to SD(this is the only gating we have seen) - Get the mission and learn(if you have read TDW) that Raxxla is not forgotten. - Read the fine print and find out that someone is still looking for it and that it's(to their knowledge) an obfuscated, celestial body. We have confirmation that TDW(the secret organisati...

LOL. There's a link to a one of my previous summaries about half way down the 1st post, just before the "Tourist Spot's in Shinrarta Dezhra" title! And yeah, it's a salt-free reason that they vanished: Bug and/or subsequently Forgotten. Click to expand... doh. I was just reading the first page again last night. Think I need new spectacles, to replace the new specs I got two weeks ago. Or maybe a new brain. Actually could do with a new body too! edit: unlikely to be a bug I think, or rather just a bug; their silence speaks volumes. I think there’s something else going on, perhaps it got mixed up with another storyline so something needs to happen with that before these missions can be reinstated? Just inference and guesswork though.

With the exception of Brazil, all serious coffee drinking nations are up north. Finland is no. 1, with 12 Kg a year in average consumption. Go Finland![up] Click to expand... Well 12kg/year is only an approximation. In local supermarkets you do see coffee packages placed on pallets instead of shelves, so there might be some truth to it. Besides, with all these english dialects and being native to none of them, you'd have another mug just to keep up. I don't understand why wetwork missions for the Dark Wheel were mentioned in patch notes some time back, was there anything unusual at any point? I consider old Dark Wheel missions hints and foreword for alien storyline, present elite/founder missions simply to fulfill a promise they made during kickstarter to have some special missions fo...

I'm curious as to who made that map. A lot of those system wouldn't make my list of "The Old Worlds" as they didn't appear in the original Elite. Click to expand... I picked the map from: - Old Worlds Page: https://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Worlds - wikia image url: https://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/File:Old-Worlds-EDRPG-Map.png Apparently, its from 'EDRPG' and a good portion of those systems can also be found in 'The Dark Wheel', see my other post for relevant info. I'm gonna take that tour soon-ish to see if I can find more info.

Very accurate for a sandbox game ! One thought... I don't have any clue about programming etc... But someone here might have. DW said (link somewhere here) that he is pretty sure only DB and MB know about R position. Asking is it possible a game feature quite sophisticated (portal, station/base, hidden faction, etc..) like R is supposed to be, being implemented in the game without the team, or part of it, being aware of its position and whereabouts ? Or it may then just be another uninteresting barren world ...

I picked the map from: - Old Worlds Page: https://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Worlds - wikia image url: https://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/File:Old-Worlds-EDRPG-Map.png Apparently, its from 'EDRPG' and a good portion of those systems can also be found in 'The Dark Wheel', see my other post for relevant info. I'm gonna take that tour soon-ish to see if I can find more info. Click to expand... AFAIK, all games prior to Elite: Dangerous do not have any place in the canon of lore for the game. Certainly, Jameson, Lave (et al), and many of the system 'shapes' (like Sirius etc.) have made it across (as well as TDW and the 'name' Raxxla), but apart from that, all 'information' about history is either dealt to us via the latest game, or is not considered canon. Others here might...

New avatar candidate Spoiler Not sure about picking parasites out of a reptile's skin, however fancy my cape is. [blah] Might have to be a Gif cycling that, Starbuck and Denise Richards Edit: Also - BRAIN TREES! Click to expand... Can you please look up: Dironothaxaurian (some sort of fossil mentioned in Dark Wheel story) Mymurths (Mymurth = home to the turtle-like creatures that later in the DW story are revealed to be Tharg larvae) Oresrians (look like and don't want to be confused with Thargs apparently) Tionisla (is the system, but are there inhabitants called Tionislans or any other reference to it?) Cirag, Ciragians: they -- as may have been part of the lie -- worship the Tharg larvae, any information might help though If any of these species' systems are found...

Shinrarta Dezhra was indeed named by the top level Kickstarter, Liqua and it is the name of the System that contains Founder's World. The mystery of the name was generated by myself as I [thought I] was protecting FD in case they wanted to use it in some storyline, or at least as part of the lore to explain why the Elite had settled there. Click to expand... (Sadly, FD didn't use it for anything) Liqua has explained how the name came to be: Spoiler First I didn't want to use real words in case someone just Googled it and spoiled the "mystery" "Shinrarta Dezhra" is an amalgamation of Russian and Arabic: "Life, she saw, hope" Words used were: Russian (zhizn' [жизнь] meaning "Life") Arabic (ra'at [رات] meaning "she saw") Russian (nadezhda [надежда] meaning "Hope") Thus "Zhizn...

Has anyone figured out the meaning of the key thats also a door thing ? Ive been looking into roman, greek and other ancient mythology! Portunus was the ancient Roman god of keys, doors, livestock and ports. He may have originally protected the warehouses where grain was stored, but later became associated with ports, perhaps because of folk associations between porta "gate, door" and portus "harbor", the "gateway" to the sea, or because of an expansion in the meaning of portus. Portunus later became conflated with the Greek Palaemon. Portunus appears to be closely related to the god Janus, with whom he shares many characters, functions and the symbol of the key. He too was represented as a two headed being, with each head facing opposite directions, on coins and as figurehead of ships...

Maia is controlled by the Ryder Revolutionary Party Ontiat in Elite, but not in ED (EDSM)

came across this; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid#/media/File:MAM_Caracas.jpg seems Oscar Niemeyer must have been one of the Oisir-Raxxla, he got the design for his bit of the Talmor lens the right way up!

I can’t hear anything about a door. Click to expand... Right here (1:19:01): https://youtu.be/rtmmmP_waf4?t=4741 Now some might say this is not about Raxxla, but those sorts of non-believers must learn to glean any tidbit and see the deeper truth in any statement, no matter how much of a throwaway comment it may appear on the surface. Quote: "Oh a door opened", clearly implying (if it was a glitch, bug, or the switch wasn't pulled) the hunt is now on for real! https://i.Please use another image host/zdfGFbh.jpg

Tinfoiling time, isnt' it ? Then: Symbols are...symbolic. They have a meaning. That's why they are called "symbols". ...and/or that "scenarios" new feature. LoL !! https://youtu.be/rtmmmP_waf4?t=5268 "Get it off ! get it off !" Adam was dying for telling us more but the other two cut him ! I wish I lived in UK to invite him to some pints! He surely knows something ! Raxxla is the FDevs' nightmare ! Click to expand... I think this part has discounted my hypothesis that only DB and MB know where Raxxla is, which in turn possibly changes the emphasis on some of my other hypotheses. ...

Something like ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythago_Wood ???? And remember, in Oolite Raxxla is the very witchspace itself. So not a recent idea. (Doc, any idea about this RH's work?) As I already asked here, can some Game Dev geek say if it would be possible to implement that Raxxla thing in the game without the team of part of it knowing about it ? I doubt MB and DB would do the programming by themselves... The hypothesis was DW's tweet. "I am pretty sure that only MB and DB know the location of Raxxla". But things may have changed since. Click to expand... Ah I’ve never been a Twitter, did DW really say that? Wasn’t aware of it. It’s quite possible since I suspect that the handmade systems are not “programmed” per se but inserted into the Stellar Forge as a database entry th...

Well, not sure what's going on, but am partially convinced - that FD are giving us some kind of clue. I've never seen Raxxla mentioned in a system description before, and if that's not a hint, I don't know what is. Let the tinfoillery begin! Click to expand... The system description is from the player faction 'The Order'. I would not put to much in to it.

What's MW ? Bridges make sense. Could also be triple neutron star system. (plumes). Or: A tesseract has 32 edges (I could have made a mistake with the dashed lines in the top right corner of my image). Also known as a 8-cell hypercube.

Not sure if it is relevant but the symbol for raxxla has an eye and a circle around it, PLUS 42 broken or segmented bits around the circle. Did FDEV not just divide the galaxy into 42 sectors. Everyone thought it was a reference to hitchhiker but maybe it ties into the symbol. Caliber Click to expand... 32 Dotted Lines not 42... over at the Hunt for Raxxla Forums we have done a rough overlay of the Emblem over the new Galactic Sectors. It all lined up fairly smooth. Look at investigation #7. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/451436-The-Forgotten-Initiative-Hunt-for-Raxxla!

Gamma Velorum (or near to it) seems to be the core of what was Guardian space. What makes you think they fled? Someone else can probably answer this one. Click to expand... I seem to remember from the FRift hunt days that the “octagonal ships blotting out the sun” quote (and related text) is not canon for ED, but you’d have to search through several FRift threads to confirm it.

Yep, you’ve got space madness. The FRifters know the formidine rift storyline died last year with Salomé. Click to expand... The FRift storyline was a subset of the Raxxla arch.

Did anyone else notice the part from Elite: The Dark Wheel when Rafe says "He came back from Deep Space to get a proper team together . . . " when talking about Jason Ryder. This means that the evidence for Raxxla was out in the black. I'm not saying that Raxxla is out there. I'm saying that evidence to for it's existence is out there. Great Hunt BTW even if other people claim Raxxla to not be in elite yet but I still find the hunt to be exhilarating, even if its all for naught!

Some Guardian dropped a note at my desk. I don't get that triangle stuff. What does it say? Click to expand... Looks like a Hexagram 62: "Thunder high on the Mountain, active passivity: The Superior Person is unsurpassed in his ability to remain small. In a time for humility, he is supremely modest. In a time of mourning, he uplifts with somber reverence. In a time of want, he is resourcefully frugal."

I think a lot of you have become far too obsessed with this new "Raxxla Icon" revealed in last week's live stream. Over-analyzing it in search of some hidden meaning, incorporating it in your avatars, etc, etc, etc. It's probably just a placeholder graphic with no intrinsic meaning. Certainly not something to invest time speculating about. ...incidentally the number of dashes that form the body of the hexagon structure form two separate triangles; the sides numbering five dashes being one triangle and the second one being the three sides marked with six dashes. You can fold these two objects into separate three-sided pyramids which, if inverted, could form a part of the Talmor Lens. Click to expand... Wait a minute, 666, 555 triangles... star of david? stuff of legends? door that is a...

Premonition ? May I ask you what page, Pa. ? [noob] Because the exact same excerpt appears in Verdi's fan fic. [woah] Click to expand... page 547/548 in my ecopy. From the recording played during Salomé’s trial. Spoken by the spiky-haired woman, who represented TDW, to Lestenio & Thorn. The thing I thought striking was that this was an FD-approved novel which aimed to clarify facts, and this wording was therefore probably approved by them. I take this to be an (out of game) clue as to TDW, and hence to SD and its missions. It also seems to imply that SD is on “the outer rim”, suggesting a) Raxxla is within the bubble, & b) perhaps the missions were part of the obfuscation? edit: although “the outer rim” could also mean that SD is not the centre of TDW organisation.

Ok, I give in, what’s Imprint? Click to expand... Imprint is the second official Elite novella. It came with Elite plus, for PC. http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/elite/books/imprint/ These descriptions may have been put in, to smoothen the lore transition from Elite to Frontier. It also describes an external threat to Galcop. The word 'Imprint' was used as a name for one of the music pieces in FFE and is the official name for Thargoid structures in ED, so it probably holds some significance.

Did anyone else notice the part from Elite: The Dark Wheel when Rafe says "He came back from Deep Space to get a proper team together . . . " when talking about Jason Ryder. This means that the evidence for Raxxla was out in the black. I'm not saying that Raxxla is out there. I'm saying that evidence to for it's existence is out there. Click to expand... Yep. Worth bearing bearing in mind though that TDW is myth and legend, not canon, and also that it’s set more than 200 years ago compared to the current game year. Whatever evidence Jason found would probably have been taken care of a long time ago.

I don't think Patreus is heading the Club or is an insider at all. After the assassination attempt on him, Personell said: "‘We were happy with the end result,’ Personnel replied. ‘Tough I’m looking forward to the day we can remove him once and for all." Click to expand... Found my notes from my Premonition analysis. I have: Patreus playacts a warmonger but is highly intelligent, frequently wore gloves (ceremonially destroyed at end of book-washing his hands of responsibility?); the Imperial leader behind Salomé's prisoner convoy interception enroute to incarceration at Koontz Asylum wore gloves & he then retained Besieger's services for an assassination (Besieger later killed Salomé). The phrase "my dear" frequently used by Patron Gerrun, Infrastructure, & infrequently by Alessia V...

I don't think Patreus is heading the Club or is an insider at all. After the assassination attempt on him, Personell said: "‘We were happy with the end result,’ Personnel replied. ‘Tough I’m looking forward to the day we can remove him once and for all." Click to expand... Found my notes from my Premonition analysis. I have: Patreus playacts a warmonger but is highly intelligent, frequently wore gloves (ceremonially destroyed at end of book-washing his hands of responsibility?); the Imperial leader behind Salomé's prisoner convoy interception enroute to incarceration at Koontz Asylum wore gloves & he then retained Besieger's services for an assassination (Besieger later killed Salomé). The phrase "my dear" frequently used by Patron Gerrun, Infrastructure, & infrequently by Alessia V...

Imho, what we used to call "The Portal" has now a name. Spoiler Omphalos, the Navel of the World. The stone which marks the center of the Universe. And/Or the true name of The Club: The omphalos was not only an object of Hellenic religious symbolism and world centrality; it was also considered an object of power. And this Omphalos Rift-thing, makes me think Raxxla should be in a very sparse region. So, a place (that is not a place) in a sparse but centric region AND in the outer rim. Click to expand... I don't think it's just the portal that has a name. Spoiler The year 2296 probably points to the Mars Relic, discovered in 2280. Raxxla was probably located very shortly after. I really don't think we are going to far out from Sol. I would say 500ly as absolute max, with the ...

"Black, shiny eyes" would be black holes, not stars, for me.

That's the one that we were discussing. I posted a link to an online version a few pages back. There are a few interesting segments in the poem. I think sonett 8 and sonett 20, might be significant. Black, shiny eyes(stars), seem to be a reoccurring subject. Click to expand... Mmm, I remember a previous occasion when we had been fruitlessly searching for something for ages, then received a poetic hint........ So then we finally found Zurara, Salomé died and the FRift thread drowned in mountains of troll salt and tears; closely followed by arrival of the Oresrians...[alien] I forsee Raxxla Soooon!!! Shortly followed by a Klaxian break out from Col70 and wipe out humanity! [blah] perhaps I should enroll in the Utopian mind database before I depart on DWE2 ... I’ve been talking re...

Princess Astrophel and the spiraling stars is the name of a childrens book, mentioned in the codex. Some thinks it contains clues. Click to expand... There's a book real with a very similar name to 'Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars'. It's called 'Astrophel and Stella', meaning 'Star-Lover and Stella' (Stella being the name of the Star in this case). A quick read of the wiki for this gives basic information about the collection of sonnets, (like the translation of the title) and if you search for the PDF, it's readily available to download and read. There might actually be something hidden in there.

There's a book real with a very similar name to 'Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars'. It's called 'Astrophel and Stella', meaning 'Star-Lover and Stella' (Stella being the name of the Star in this case). A quick read of the wiki for this gives basic information about the collection of sonnets, (like the translation of the title) and if you search for the PDF, it's readily available to download and read. There might actually be something hidden in there. Click to expand... That's the one that we were discussing. I posted a link to an online version a few pages back. There are a few interesting segments in the poem. I think sonett 8 and sonett 20, might be significant. Black, shiny eyes(stars), seem to be a reoccurring subject.

It’s probably a silly question, but not clear to me since I haven’t got into the beta, so are these sonnets of astrophel mentioned in the codex? I’m getting frustrated reading the spoilers & only understanding half... If you are beta testing, then do you delete those log files before running the released version in order to avoid confusing your travels in the real universe (e.g. for EDD)? edit: are there any dark nebulae within the bubble? Thought the nearest was the Coalsack. Click to expand... Princess Astrophel and the spiraling stars is the name of a childrens book, mentioned in the codex. Some thinks it contains clues.

Sure. These are the ones with Raxxla in it and one about the Formidine Rift. https://Please use another image host/a/TD3ej9k Click to expand... Nice clarification from Drew. He is basically in the same position as us, when it comes to Raxxla. 'Raxxla is a definite place, that holds a mysterious secret', according to the codex. We just don't know how to find it. We don't even know if it's possible to find it directly or if we have to go via The Dark Wheel(due to permit locks)?

Beta 3 Spoilers Spoiler If we assume that Astrophel and the Spiraling Stars is a reference to the poem Astrophel and Stella then we must note that Astrophel (Astrophil) is Sir Philip Sidney and Stella is, most likely, Lady Penelope Rich (nee Devereux). If the reference in the Raxxla codex is meant to direct us to Sidney then there is quite a lot to sift through. Do we focus on the poem or it's author?

The Center theory seems nice as well. However I will for now follow up my Avalon theory - made landfall on Grach last night. Btw. "Cora" stems from the greek "Kore" another title for Persephone. So I guess I will visit that port soon. Any findings will be reported.

Thanks for the link, this was interesting reading. Since this was not written with anything like Raxxla in mind, I see it as something that could only provide hints rather than directions. Reading it from the perspective of looking for anything that might be relevant to the search for Raxxla, I take away several things: Spoiler Several references to the Pleiades and the Muses. This might indicate that there is a hint or clue to be found in the Pleiades (one of the named stars, not suggesting to search the whole sector by brute force). References to Mount Parnassus. There is no system or station named after Mount Parnassus but being a mountain where in mythology a city was built but washed away, I wonder if it might be used as a reference to Guardians Ruins or an Abandoned Settlement t...

If someone for some reason should want to read Sir Philip Sidney's poem 'Astrohel and Sella', it can be found here: https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/English/Sidney1thru27.php With translation to a slightly more modern English. Click to expand... Thanks for the link, this was interesting reading. Since this was not written with anything like Raxxla in mind, I see it as something that could only provide hints rather than directions. Reading it from the perspective of looking for anything that might be relevant to the search for Raxxla, I take away several things: Spoiler Several references to the Pleiades and the Muses. This might indicate that there is a hint or clue to be found in the Pleiades (one of the named stars, not suggesting to search the whole sector by brute forc...

On a slightly connected note... has anyone else been wondering if John’s been doing some stuff with/for FD over the last 6 months or so? Click to expand... G'day I haven't been involved with FD for a long time unfortunately. Would love to be working with Elite still. Got hit with a cancer/divorce combo right after the novel launch, right when it would have been a good time to keep conversations going. Alas I wallowed instead. I have had various other projects since, including a new novel 'The Bezerker' which has been read by a few lucky alpha readers (a few of which are on these forums). Running it through another edit currently, with plans to find a publisher once done.

All we know about that, is this post from John Harper(author of And Here The Wheel): https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...in-spoilers)?p=6366667&viewfull=1#post6366667 Click to expand... On a slightly connected note... has anyone else been wondering if John’s been doing some stuff with/for FD over the last 6 months or so?

Watched OA’s vid this morning and saw the reference to DrewW’s lore Q&A on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...ith_the_q4_exploration_content_about_to_drop/ interesting: “The Formidine Rift and other known lore sectors have now been officially listed in the galactic map, so it would appear that more remains to be found out there...”

I'm personally fond of "Watchers of the Sky" which was part one of Alfred Noyle's The Torch-Bearers trilogy. Noyles was inspired by the first testing by starlight of the Mount Wilson Observatory's 100-inch telescope. It's an epic poem dedicated to astronomy. It's from The Torch-Bearers that I pulled my current signature: "Not thine to understand How the two worlds accord- The Will of Love Our Lord With this dark wheel of Time" Click to expand... I like it. However, ‘Watch the Skies’ pertains to Thargoids via Galcop, so it’s already got substantial meaning in-game. Not that I’d be adverse to having a name that involves a bit of misdirection I hasten to add.

The 'Watch the Skies' reference is from one of the logs you get if you scan the uplinks on the GCS Sarasvati in IC 4604 Sector FB-X c1-16. There is also a Listening Post in Jotunheim (near the moon 7a iirc) related to this that also mentions GalCop. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...out-megaship?p=5963310&viewfull=1#post5963310 Click to expand... Yep, this. One of the logs is an extract from a video which AFAIK was produced by the Galcop group, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkh_U3DRrd4&list=PLBfkRJWc2D3Iy18WIzogCopdppmw_VHfj&index=5&t=0s It's well worth a watch. Also FD dropped 'Watch the Skies' into their messages pretty much non-stop in the build up to the Gnosis's attempted jump into the Cone sector. My understanding with the Galcop player group was that there was a...

In beta, last night, I couldn't find nav beacon in Pleiades Sector OI-T c3-7. Perhaps I was too tired to notice. Orcus Crag is interesting name on a few levels. It had a short-lived, thematically interesting, community goal. Have you read your Dark Wheel carefully? Orcus itself relates to some underworld themed mythology, which by itself is not too rare. Apparently, Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-55 is going to be called Delphi. Merope 5 C is a navel of sorts.

In beta, last night, I couldn't find nav beacon in Pleiades Sector OI-T c3-7. Perhaps I was too tired to notice. Orcus Crag is interesting name on a few levels. It had a short-lived, thematically interesting, community goal. Have you read your Dark Wheel carefully? Orcus itself relates to some underworld themed mythology, which by itself is not too rare. Apparently, Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-55 is going to be called Delphi. Merope 5 C is a navel of sorts.

In beta, last night, I couldn't find nav beacon in Pleiades Sector OI-T c3-7. Perhaps I was too tired to notice. Orcus Crag is interesting name on a few levels. It had a short-lived, thematically interesting, community goal. Have you read your Dark Wheel carefully? Orcus itself relates to some underworld themed mythology, which by itself is not too rare. Apparently, Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-55 is going to be called Delphi. Merope 5 C is a navel of sorts.

"It's a journey everyone has to take for himself" MB ​(or something like that) Click to expand... Am I the only one who thinks that this is being far too over emphasised? I simply took it to mean, "I'm not telling you, you'll have to find it on your own." Sort of a synonym for "no clues." All this talk of it relating to something in game is a little off to me.

Ah I see. When you get a ways out from the bubble there’s a load of interstellar dust, some is reddish, the rest is bluish; so I think the blue in the image is dust rather than blue nebulosity as in the Pleiades. I was going to ask about this since I remember the Pleiades colour was adjusted not so long ago to make it true to life & I think it was originally reddish, however has the start video changed at all? But I started young Tyko on his training today & of course he started his journeying in the bubble. Looking at the background skybox “it” may be closer in than I thought; there’s a lot of dust around Asellus Primus area. I’m wondering if FD have been really sneaky and adjusted the size of BLoop and Witchhead to further obfuscate; it’s features A & B that are the real sticking point....

I'm not very good at working things out based on a picture either, but I'm fairly convinced that the view in that image from the opening is taken from somewhere inside the Pleiades. When I get the chance, I'll try looking for it, just not certain when that's going to be atm. Click to expand... You can look very quickly in galmap to get a rough idea (though the star patterns are limited by some strange cut off distance, I can never find a star that I can see out the cockpit window- it drives me mad with frustration!). I took Dr Kaii’s list of all the known real life nebulae (light & dark, visible and invisible from the bubble, about 130 in total! https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=178731) and played around in galmap to see if they would suit the image. I think from memory the...

OK its gone past my bedtime - bleary eyed after days - weeks in Barnards Loop - I'm here for the journey; I don't give two hoots who finds Raxxla, frack I hope it never gets found. But here's a bottom of the rum bottle bit of tin-foilery, not sure if its been discussed but... Cassiopeia! "To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies" Cassiopeia... "The parents grief" Heart... "The lovers woe" Soul... Heart and Soul nebulas are in Cassiopeia. Now it just so happens these guys are on my to-do list of exploration. No idea where to start. I don't expect it to be in Cassiopeia but a star in that area / near the H&S nebula... In fact I think there was a big operation to find Cassiopeia A but its not in game...or is it? Its a long shot but its a simple analysis of the D...

The movies you are investigating are open to watch, in the Movies folder of your installation. The startup movie looks like it was updated for Beyond chapter 1. Click to expand... Thanks Han-Zen. Didn’t realise there was a movies folder! will investigate!

So both Raxxla and Cass A have been "lost "... mmmh... Click to expand... Jaiotu will probably remember the details, but I seem to remember that Michael Brookes said Cass A wasn’t in game for a very mundane reason- think it wasn’t in the star catalogues they used to build the galaxy? why TDW lost Raxxla is indeed a mystery. Perhaps there’s a mindwiping energy field there? oh no, if I find it I’ll forget everything! hang on, who are you? who am I?

Jaiotu will probably remember the details, but I seem to remember that Michael Brookes said Cass A wasn’t in game for a very mundane reason- think it wasn’t in the star catalogues they used to build the galaxy? why TDW lost Raxxla is indeed a mystery. Perhaps there’s a mindwiping energy field there? oh no, if I find it I’ll forget everything! hang on, who are you? who am I? Click to expand... They lost it because Jason Ryder was killed. They never 'had' it. They just had Jason.

I guess it’s no longer canon, but according toHoldstock wasn’t Raxxla inhabited by a group of twisted elites, the Dark Wheel? In which case they had to know its location! Click to expand... It was, but they were not TDW. Jason was TDW. He was setting up an expedition to find it.

Jaiotu will probably remember the details, but I seem to remember that Michael Brookes said Cass A wasn’t in game for a very mundane reason- think it wasn’t in the star catalogues they used to build the galaxy? why TDW lost Raxxla is indeed a mystery. Perhaps there’s a mindwiping energy field there? oh no, if I find it I’ll forget everything! hang on, who are you? who am I? Click to expand... Sorry all. Been on a bit of a break. Yes, Mr. Brookes stated that Cas A was not in the data they used to generate the Galaxy. Still seems like a heck of an omission.

On a side note I'm curious if the decision to name Alex Ryder's sons "Oberon" and "Neptune" in And Here the Wheel were decisions made by John Harper or were handed down from Frontier. There might be an additional clue hidden in those names.

yes, he needs to speak to Jaiotu about Cass A, but since the Dark Wheel “lost” Raxxla & don’t know where it is then I think their toast is unlikely to reveal its location Click to expand... i beg to differ, this map on my toast this morning clearly shows where Raxxla is, just need to overlay EDs galaxy and wham.. there it is. { "lightbox_close": "Close", "lightbox_next": "Next", "lightbox_previous": "Previous", "lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.", "lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow", "lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow", "lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen", "lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails", "lightbox_download": "Download", "lightbox_share": "Share", "lightbox_zoom": "Zoom", "lightbox_new_window": "New wi...

Side note, but has Founders World always been devoid of infrastructure/city lights? I don't know if I've ever noticed before, but most ELWs I've visited in inhabited systems had signs of cities. Founders World doesn't. Click to expand... No city lights because no cities. Only a couple of "Soylent Green" underground factories.

I guess it’s no longer canon, but according toHoldstock wasn’t Raxxla inhabited by a group of twisted elites, the Dark Wheel? In which case they had to know its location! Click to expand... Not exactly. The twisted men that Rafe mentioned were never identified as being members of The Dark Wheel. The Dark Wheel were looking for Raxxla knowing full well that it had already been located and inhabited by someone else (The Club?).

No. No cities because the founders world is where Elites go to retire or, I should say, are quietly 'retired' by The Pilots Federation. It's just one big graveyard.

It was, but they were not TDW. Jason was TDW. He was setting up an expedition to find it. Click to expand... Not exactly. The twisted men that Rafe mentioned were never identified as being members of The Dark Wheel. The Dark Wheel were looking for Raxxla knowing full well that it had already been located and inhabited by someone else (The Club?). Click to expand... Ah thanks, I’ve been labouring under a misunderstanding for 33 years! Hmm, speaking of Swindon and onionhead.... did you know Swindon’s twinned with Disneyland? Click to expand... I didn’t, but having tried to drive around the magic roundabout once I’m not surprised

means also then we will find it when Frontier want it (they are the Club)

I think Raxxla is the ‘Sleeping God’ in Peter F. Hamilton’s Night’s Dawn Trilogy. An artificially created sentient naked singularity able to (among other nigh-omnipotent abilities) create wormholes of any size to places of any distance away, and even to other realms/spacetimes, whose purpose is to assist the evolution of biological civilizations who are able to find it and ask for its assistance.

He not only did seem to think. He said it in one of his livestreams. Thargs and Raxxla (and anti-gravity tech) were off-limits when writing the FR mYsTeRy. FD (MB) orders.

So since the CODEX update of RAXXLA and the "with eyes to see", within the passsage stating that it could be related to Sir P.S.: His Astrophel and Stella, seems like a possible clue to me, writings can be found here: Sir P.S.: His Astrophel and Stella written on many pages is 14457 19 22 and in the corner of the third page (with lib stamp) is 39 -167 44 Searched the galaxy map 3D array (coords system) and found nothing of interest really @ 14457 19 22 neither @ 39 -167 44 Also wikipedia (eww) Astrophel_and_Stella, verse nine: Queen Vertues court, some call Stellas face, Prepar'd by Natures chiefest furniture, Hath his front built of Alabaster pure; Gold is the covering of that stately place The doore by which sometimes comes forth her Grace, Red Porphir is, which locke of pearl ...

A pack of biscuits for Herr Professor-Doktor [yesnod] Any way to relate Deneb to the jewel etc... ? Click to expand... Not sure about the jewel, but I think Princess Astrophel is Vega. "In Chinese mythology Deneb is associated with the story of the Celestial Princess or the Weaver Girl. In this story a Girl (the star Vega) is separated from her beloved (a cowherd represented by the star Altair) by the Milky Way. Once a year, the girl and the cowherd are allowed to meet briefly when a large flock of magpies form a bridge across the starry river. Deneb represents the bridge." From EarthSky: https://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/deneb-among-the-farthest-stars-to-be-seen And the six arms of the axis mundi symbol looks a bit like the Raxxla codex symbol, doesn’t it?

Might very well be. Any "Canonn-esque" way to consider Deneb sitting on the brow of the ...etc..? Or just purely symbolic in your opinion ?

A pack of biscuits for Herr Professor-Doktor [yesnod] Any way to relate Deneb to the jewel etc... ? Click to expand... Not sure about the jewel, but I think Princess Astrophel is Vega. "In Chinese mythology Deneb is associated with the story of the Celestial Princess or the Weaver Girl. In this story a Girl (the star Vega) is separated from her beloved (a cowherd represented by the star Altair) by the Milky Way. Once a year, the girl and the cowherd are allowed to meet briefly when a large flock of magpies form a bridge across the starry river. Deneb represents the bridge." From EarthSky: https://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/deneb-among-the-farthest-stars-to-be-seen And the six arms of the axis mundi symbol looks a bit like the Raxxla codex symbol, doesn’t it?

The Opmhalos Rift is a central subject in the codex for Raxxla. Deneb is a historic(and future) north star of Earth and the current North star of Mars. It's the only North star that lies in the Galactic plane. Denebs position is in the cleft, where the Great Rift starts. Denebs position at the start of the Great Rift is known i ancient cultures as the birth place of the Sun, between the thighs of Nut. The entrance to the underworld, where the rivers part. Or the point where the souls of the dead are sent down the dark path or up the bright path. The symbolism of migrating birds(Cygnus the swan/hen/goose/eagle and the mythical roc bird) is heavy in the myths. I will not go into detail on the research, but you can read about it in: This was good enough for me to go. I went to Alpha Cyg...

Hypothesis: Raxxla is (in) Alpha Cygni (Deneb) The Opmhalos Rift is a central subject in the codex for Raxxla. An omphalos point is a nave point. The point that does not move, when something rotates. It's a fixed connection between Earth and the sky. A point on the Axis mundi. A typical scientific omphalos point, would be the North Pole and the Axis mundi would be connected to Polaris, on the other end. Deneb is a historic(and future) north star of Earth and the current North star of Mars. It's the only North star that lies in the Galactic plane. Denebs position is in the cleft, where the Great Rift starts. Denebs position at the start of the Great Rift is known i ancient cultures as the birth place of the Sun, between the thighs of Nut. The entrance to the underworld, where the riv...

The Dark Wheel Toast begins like this. "To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies" Well this here is Cassiopeia, Mother of Princess Andromeda. The big star in her brow is Zeta Cassiopeia. Good Luck and o7 Click to expand... Nice image - good find. Alt names: Fulu, Zeta Cassiopeiae, 17 Cassiopeiae, HD3360, HIP2920, HR153. In Chinese astronomy, Zeta Cassiopeiae is called 附路, Pinyin: Fùlù, meaning Auxiliary Road, because this star is marking itself and standing alone in the Auxiliary Road asterism,Legs (mansion) (see : Chinese constellation).[10] 附路 (Fùlù) was westernized into Foo Loo, but that name was also designated for Eta Cassiopeiae by R.H. Allen, with the meaning of "a by-path".

The Dark Wheel Toast begins like this. "To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies" Well this here is Cassiopeia, Mother of Princess Andromeda. The big star in her brow is Zeta Cassiopeia. Good Luck and o7 https://i.Please use another image host/H0vNWgih.jpg

Back On Topic. Sorry for text wall. It was some work. This is what myself and a few others came up with. I see we are not alone on some of our ideas. Based on the emphasis on the word "To...." in the toast the DW toast is likely a roadmap. Roadmap to what? Who knows? "To the Jewel that burns on the brow of the Mother of Galaxies" The Star In Cassiopeia's (Mother of Princess Andromeda) Brow is Zeta Cassiopeia and that is the believed starting point. This would be fitting given the meaning of Zeta Cass has been defined as a by-path or auxillary road. "To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void!" From Zeta Cass one of the first things that sticks out is the burning bright NGC 7822 with its beautiful jewel like string of Class O's, but this could be easily missed if th...

From here we move to the next sonnet in the series, #19. "On Cupid's bow how are my heartstrings bent, That see my wrack, and yet embrace the same?"- When aligned properly the Class O-s of NGC 7822 align perfectly with Andromeda/Formadine Rift in one direction, and Bubble/Polaris in the opposite direction. We assume we are to be looking toward Andromeda and not the bubble at this point. NGC 281 Nebula is in line with the arrow from NGC 7822 to Andromeda, but we have searched every system in NGC 281 and found nothing. But turning up nothing may be a good thing, it may be a confirmation of sorts that we need at this point as it affirms the next line. Click to expand... Here's where you lost me. i know people badly want their efforts in the FRift to not have been in vain, but Raxxla is ...

Long shot in the Dark (pun intended) but with Astrophil and Stella is it possible that iambic pentameter can be used as a code? I'm not familiar with iambic pentameter but I figure I throw that out

I had an idea that Raxxla might be in the Virgo constellation for some reason (Virgo contains alot of galaxies = mother of galaxies, it is also Demeter and galaktikos is a milk, it is also Astraea - Atrophile, spiralling stars are galaxies too, also both Cora and Cynthia are Demeter's daughters, and Sideris is 'constellation'... And "place is not a place and door that also a key" might be place on the sky map (constelation), i.e. direction from Sol), so i went towards Auva (Virgo's omhalos) from Sol in supercuise. I did screenshots sometimes to compare them and see if anything changes. In about 0.3 l.y. new bright star appeared on the skybox. I have identifeied it as Shoujeman. Just wondering, i was thinking skybox renders when jumping into the system, so it is strange or it is just a bug)...

With all the talk of Astrophel and Stella I decided to cross reference those terms against Noyle's Watchers of the Sky. No hits for Astrophel but Stella gets mentioned by Tycho Brahe in relation to his publication of De Nova Stella. We often talk about Cassiopeia A and its exclusion from the Galaxy but the other half of The Cassiopeia Project was the search for Tycho G, the white dwarf that was ejected from the supernova that Brahe described in his De Nova Stella. ... I never did go looking for 3C10 itself. Just the ejected companion. But those are thoughts for another time. The meat of this post is that, in the Codex, the part of the title that is changed is "Stella" indicating that perhaps it is there, in this word alone, where the hint lies and not inside the text of the poem at all....

Back On Topic. Sorry for text wall. It was some work. This is what myself and a few others came up with. I see we are not alone on some of our ideas. Based on the emphasis on the word "To...." in the toast the DW toast is likely a roadmap. Roadmap to what? Who knows? "To the Jewel that burns on the brow of the Mother of Galaxies" The Star In Cassiopeia's (Mother of Princess Andromeda) Brow is Zeta Cassiopeia and that is the believed starting point. This would be fitting given the meaning of Zeta Cass has been defined as a by-path or auxillary road. "To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void!" From Zeta Cass one of the first things that sticks out is the burning bright NGC 7822 with its beautiful jewel like string of Class O's, but this could be easily missed if th...

Hello CMDRs, Has anyone considered the fact that "Astrophil and Stella" may very well be a wild goose chase? I mean, "astrophil" means star-lover, i get it, the sonnets were nice, but "astrophel" actually means star-cork. There's a Cork Nebula (Little Dumbbell nebula), and also a Little Dumbbell Sector well in the reach of a Cobra. I think it's worth checking out. Also, after listening to the Codex entrance, i find it curious that it's pronounced a-strophel and not astro-phel (the accent falls on the "o"). It may be nothing, but after all, this thread is just a huge brainstorming session. Those were my 2 cents for now. o7

Thinking the riddle, sonnets, codex, toast and the original dark wheel book included, allude to a connection to the story of The Odyssey. This may be a recreation of the story, and a retracing of Alex Ryder's footprints, possibly in a series of checkpoints. Let me explain. This is going off the assumption that Zeta Cassiopeia (Mother of Princess Andromeda) is the brow and NGC 7822 is the Burning Jewel based on the fact that there's one station in the 7822 and it's the Gorgon Research Facility. Medusa was a Gorgon and Perseus used her head to turn Cetus to stone when he was going to devour Andromeda. And the Cupids Arrow Tourism Beacon in Class O system, S171 34, that further aligns with the wording of the Sonnets and goes into your codex and earns you rep with the controlling faction of G...

Hello CMDRs, Has anyone considered the fact that "Astrophil and Stella" may very well be a wild goose chase? I mean, "astrophil" means star-lover, i get it, the sonnets were nice, but "astrophel" actually means star-cork. There's a Cork Nebula (Little Dumbbell nebula), and also a Little Dumbbell Sector well in the reach of a Cobra. I think it's worth checking out. Also, after listening to the Codex entrance, i find it curious that it's pronounced a-strophel and not astro-phel (the accent falls on the "o"). It may be nothing, but after all, this thread is just a huge brainstorming session. Those were my 2 cents for now. o7 Click to expand... Just past through that sector and nebula, nothing out of the ordinary. But good bit of lateral thinking.

I would even assume we're looking for a binary system with both O class stars both orbited by i would think earth-likes or waterworlds(spheres of beauty)

you can’t really see the Milky Way galaxy ‘cos you’re in it! Hence it must be an external galaxy; someone has already pointed out the links between Perseus, Andromeda (a very visible external galaxy!), and Cassiopea (the mother of andromeda?) and the jewel on her brow.... do pay attention Scytale, you’re falling behind! Click to expand... Yeah... you, as often, are right Herr Professor-Doktor . But every time I open the GalMap, I can see the whole MW. Try it ! I meant a star in the above outer rim of the MW. Not so far away as extra-galactical bodies/clusters etc... Purely "geographical", no myths here. It's just my "Six Bridges" tinfoil based on the Codex icon..

Stand corrected - apologies for post, twas combination of a winter cold and half an hour waiting for patch to load. Agreed about the loading screen, was out there some time ago searching for very faint dark regions (there's a few). The loop is our strongest contender. Toast/poem I still think don't direct to a point in space (Rift) but draws the attention to an area, around Orion and the loop? Hard to focus with so many competing theories I'm used to analysis of patterns from evidence not compiling evidence. On route back to loop after ruling out Dumbbell nebula. Going to continue searching the loop. Constancy ladies and gents. I'm too prone to tin-foilery.

Regarding the jewel on the brow, the head of Nut is in Gemini. Nut is the cosmic Mother of Egyptian mythology. The brightest star in Gemini is Castor, also known as 'α Gem' (Alpha Gemini).

Where would you guys situate "the brow of the Galaxy" ? ( as you saw, teribble Anglich, here...) As seen from Sol ? Polaris ? As seen from a view from above the MW ? Most distant star sitting at the roof above Sgr A* ? Click to expand... you can’t really see the Milky Way galaxy ‘cos you’re in it! Hence it must be an external galaxy; someone has already pointed out the links between Perseus, Andromeda (a very visible external galaxy!), and Cassiopea (the mother of andromeda?) and the jewel on her brow.... do pay attention Scytale, you’re falling behind!

Haven't been there lately or looked for clues there. I'll drop by when I get time to play. I think Michael Brookes might have been literal, when he told us, 'it's a journey'. As in Raxxla is literally a journey(odyssey). The other stars of Gemini may also be worth a check. They are all Gem(s). Click to expand... Hmm, I guess for younger explorers Raxxla is the New and Tasty. Wait, wrong odyssey... But, yeah. I see where your going with that thought. Raxxla is a place but, not a place. The codex calls it a place as well. What if it is a state of being? A state of enlightenment giving you access to travel between universes and great foresight. A way of viewing the universe through a different lens, as it were. It would explain why you'd need to make the journey yourself as no one can...

The Dark Wheel is planning to expand Outside of Shinrarta. Click to expand... Interesting, though might simply be part of the background simulation signifying nothing. Am through with checking Avalon. Nothing found even with our new "eyes". Currently on my way to Mintaka to follow up the theory that the star in the start screen might be one of the orionis stars. Will tell if I find anything. Some tinfoilery besides: "the parents grief/lovers woe" part might relate to Ishtar/Astarte who was at the same time Mother and lover of the god Tammuz or Dumuzi who was annually slain and the given birth again in springtime. There is as system called Ishtar, haven't visited as of yet. o7 Commanders

The eye of Aquila (the eagle) constellation is Altair. It is close to RA 20, more like RA 19. But there are a few stars at RA 20' 50'', which would be left/west/in the direction Aquila is "looking" RA (20')XX' (50'')L'' A (primary?) Click to expand... Hey, I like this a lot

The Dark Wheel is planning to expand Outside of Shinrarta. Click to expand... Interesting, though might simply be part of the background simulation signifying nothing. Am through with checking Avalon. Nothing found even with our new "eyes". Currently on my way to Mintaka to follow up the theory that the star in the start screen might be one of the orionis stars. Will tell if I find anything. Some tinfoilery besides: "the parents grief/lovers woe" part might relate to Ishtar/Astarte who was at the same time Mother and lover of the god Tammuz or Dumuzi who was annually slain and the given birth again in springtime. There is as system called Ishtar, haven't visited as of yet. o7 Commanders

Have you been there yet? I've been to the full Gemini constellation, pre-mapping probes. I'd really like to see you come up with something here. I think it's a good angle, but we need to make it connect to the clues in the codex. I know that Pollux has a Listening Post that contains the French poem, Chanson d'automne. This was the broadcast on the radio for the French Resistance to start their operations on D-Day. If I recall, it was for a fallen CMDR. I can;t see much eelse in the system. It has several gg's and some landables. Castor has 2 Class A and 4 Class M stars and some degraded emissions, nothing else from what I see. Click to expand... Haven't been there lately or looked for clues there. I'll drop by when I get time to play. I think Michael Brookes might have been literal,...

Regarding the jewel on the brow, the head of Nut is in Gemini. Nut is the cosmic Mother of Egyptian mythology. The brightest star in Gemini is Castor, also known as 'α Gem' (Alpha Gemini). Click to expand... Have you been there yet? I've been to the full Gemini constellation, pre-mapping probes. I'd really like to see you come up with something here. I think it's a good angle, but we need to make it connect to the clues in the codex. I know that Pollux has a Listening Post that contains the French poem, Chanson d'automne. This was the broadcast on the radio for the French Resistance to start their operations on D-Day. If I recall, it was for a fallen CMDR. I can;t see much eelse in the system. It has several gg's and some landables. Castor has 2 Class A and 4 Class M stars and some ...

Intresting thing about Omphalos in Delphi - in russian wiki it says, that it was surrounded by two golden eagles, in english - there's no such info. Though, it might be Omphalos from Jerusalem, and not Deplhi..

"Queen Vertues court, some call Stellas face, Prepar'd by Natures chiefest furniture, Hath his front built of Alabaster pure; Gold is the covering of that stately place The doore by which sometimes comes forth her Grace, Red Porphir is, which locke of pearl makes sure: Whose porches rich (which name of cheeks endure) Marble mixt red and white do enterlace. The windowes now through which this heav'nly guest Looks over the world, and can find nothing such, Which dare claime from those lights the name of best. Of touch they are that without touch doth touch, Which Cupids selfe from Beauties myne did draw: Of touch they are, and poore I am their straw." The door by which sometimes comes forth her Grace. From earlier, discontinued missions, "The door that is also a key." https:/...

From A&S sonnet 20: "That sweet black which veils thye heavenly eye..." Veil... VEIL NEBULAE! There's two: Veil east and Veil west. Anyone close by? See if you can find any other clues? Veil nebula east is more red and is darker, fitting the "Red Porphir" from sonnet 9. Addendum: The only system I see engulfed by the Veil east nebula is the Veil East sector RO-Q B5-2.

Point of Order! Yes, there is a Codex reference to a set of sonnets, but the name in the Codex is slightly different from the real set of sonnets. Anything beyond that is hypothetical. You are assuming the sonnets contain a set of clues and interpreting them, this does not prove they do contain clues, nor that the interpretations are correct. You may be correct, you may not. There is plenty of room in this thread for other interpretations. Click to expand... Well, "Spiralling stars" in "Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars" could as well be a link to WR104, which is literally known as spiralling stars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WR_104) Do we have that one in Elite? Google didn't return exact result, and can't look ingame right now. As for Astrophell part, there's not only that "Ast...

From A&S sonnet 20: "That sweet black which veils thye heavenly eye..." Veil... VEIL NEBULAE! There's two: Veil east and Veil west. Anyone close by? See if you can find any other clues? Veil nebula east is more red and is darker, fitting the "Red Porphir" from sonnet 9. Addendum: The only system I see engulfed by the Veil east nebula is the Veil East sector RO-Q B5-2. Click to expand... Just so happens thats where I am right now (logged out for festivities but will be there...soon).

1) That's plain wrong. Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars is a DEFINITE reference to a real-world set of sonnets, and the clues found there have led us from Zeta Cassiopeiae, to NGC 7822, to Heart and Soul. There is absolutely clues and a path. I think by clues, they meant easy help from the devs in case we fail, pick-me-ups, freebies, etc. 5) if you read the Raxxla Codex article, it says "...The earliest documented stories tend to agree on several points, however: that Raxxla is a definite place, and that it holds a mythical secret." I'm taking everything in the Codex to be law. I just don't have enough to go on, otherwise, and our search has borne fruit. 7) I also believe Raxxla is within close range of the Bubble, but I don't think all of the clues to it have to be in the bubble as ...

Just pondering on the issue surrounding the Sonnets which I haven't really given much attention until now, but what if its being read too literally? The toast could simply point towards an area (H&S?), and yes maybe the Sonnets are a road map... However (and stop me if this has been covered before) the names are derived from the Greek language. Is it plausible the sonnets could also reference Homers Odyssey. There are 108 sonnets. In the Odyssey there were 108 suitors of Penelope. These suitors could be the 'spiralling stars' vying for her attention.

Thx Si, you are so kind. [yesnod] Now, the wiki: http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/The_Dark_Wheel "The Codex provides a clue on how to join: "It is futile to attempt to contact the Dark Wheel of one's own initiative. However - it is they who always initiate contact, initially in disguise, revealing their true identity once a suitable test of courage and skill has been discreetly administered, and passed. Seems clear that you have to achieve some kind of rep and/or rank. [I]Personal journey ? [/I]Now this: The Codex tells our Anglo-Saxon friends to search for Raxxla [I]on the front of the...etc, [/I]Our German friends[I] in der Stirn. [/I]Portughese[I]: na fronte. [/I]French[I]: sur le front. [/I]All meaning the same, very poetic but definitly not very usefull. But our Spaniards fr...

could veil nebula be heart and soul nebula where the two orbital ports and CoR staging port is?

But our Spaniards friends are looking for Raxxla [I]en [B]la cima[/B][/I] de la ... Which is not poetic at all but very specific. Just sayin'. Click to expand... Above galactic plane?

Just pondering on the issue surrounding the Sonnets which I haven't really given much attention until now, but what if its being read too literally? The toast could simply point towards an area (H&S?), and yes maybe the Sonnets are a road map... However (and stop me if this has been covered before) the names are derived from the Greek language. Is it plausible the sonnets could also reference Homers Odyssey. There are 108 sonnets. In the Odyssey there were 108 suitors of Penelope. These suitors could be the 'spiralling stars' vying for her attention.

IMO Whisperer in Witchspace = Siren of the deepest void Still they must be something, the sound of witchspace, i guess, was already spectrum-analyzed, but may be we should do it once again, there could be subtle changes in it (or they could appear depending on your jump, another theory to check). How do you do that? Need to grab the sound (finding it in resources might not work), and then use some tool? As for Fluk the dog - don't really think that's the one, that pledge is older (in ingame terms) then Fluk's memorial, so must be smth else. Lover's Woe = why exactly number 19? That one doesn't really look like a wov. I think it's mostly like that: To the jewel that burns on the mother of galaxies! = To Zeta Cassiopea To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void = ?...

Quick write up - don't know how/where to post editable text files without my IRL name being connected to it, so, posting it here. Missing anything? "To the jewel that burns on the mother of galaxies! To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void! The parent's grief, the lover's wore, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts. To Raxxla!" -Dark Wheel Toast Mother of galaxies = Cassiopeiae Jewel = Zeta Cassiopeia Whisperer in Witchspace - ? Siren of the deepest void - ? The Parent's grief - Fluk the Dog (check the inhabited heart system) Lover's Woe - Reference to sonnet 19, Astrophel and Stella Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars = Astrophel and Stella 1 Loving in truth, and fain in verse my love to show, That she (dear She) might take some pleasure of my pain: ...

Ive noted in this thread time and two interviews where DBraben uses that word oddly when talking about raxxla... I think there is something to that

"To the Jewel that burns on the brow of the Mother of Galaxies" The Star In Cassiopeia's (Mother of Princess Andromeda) Brow is Zeta Cassiopeia and that is the believed starting point. This would be fitting given the meaning of Zeta Cass has been defined as a by-path or auxillary road. Click to expand... Guru, would you (or anyone else) be willing to clarify how you arrived at Zeta Cassiopeia being the "Jewel that burns on the brow"? I understand "Mother of Galaxies" = "Cassiopeia" but I'm not 100% on why "Jewel" = Zeta Cassiopeia. From what I've seen of classical depictions of the constellation (e.g. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Sidney_Hall_-_Urania%27s_Mirror_-_Cassiopeia_%28image_right_side_up%29.jpg), ζ Cass would be no more fitting than, say, v Cass, in term...

Commanders, The Nomads of Oisir have been working diligently on deciphering The riddle. It has not been easy and the path has not always been clear or sure. We will not reveal all we have uncovered yet, but we will reveal an important discovery we have made in regards to The Club. As it has unfolded thus far, triggers and the implications suggested seem to be pointing to what may very well be one of their jewels, the namesake of The Club itself. It has also re-confirmed, in our minds, its ties to The Federation and to the Sirius Corporation. In one of the many steps in the riddle, you will be guided to the Orion Constellation, the mythological master of the dog, Sirius - specifically to Orion's Club. This is revealed in the opening line of sonnet #19: "On Cupid's bow how are my hear...

As an Englishman and in the interests of international fair play I feel I should point out that in English in "To the Jewel that burns on the brow of the Mother of galaxies" the word “brow” is more likely to indicate “forehead” rather then “eyebrow”. happy hunting! But I still don’t see how the DW toast is supposed to lead to Raxxla. Lore tells us that TDW lost the location of Raxxla (though I’m not sure they ever knew it); their toast is far more likely to lead (if not a wild goose chase) to the DW hidden station, which I suspect is depicted in the start menu of Horizons. edit: and if the experiments with BL and Maia BH have triggered a change in Scavenger behaviour, then perhaps you’ve triggered the real Thargoid invasion, by the dreaded Klaxians...

You've all done phenomenal work trying to sort out a lead from the Codex offering. Take the last letter of the spiral of stars, the R from Castor, the A from Capella , the X from Pollux, the L from Sol, and lastly the A from Vega. Notice there's an X missing. X marks the spot... Of something. Click to expand... I can do one out of CMDRGuru951's 3 steps: Cupid's Arrow = Cupid's "R" Maia = My "A" Chi Orionis = Orion's "X" (look up how chi is written in Greek). So he's got RAX, and needs to continue with XLA.

1. 48 O stars. All pointed at the Earth, because that's how the telescopes saw them, and the game data is imported from reality. But why aren't these stars numbered in order, from the tip of the arrow to the feathers? 33 34 46, 5 25 4, 10 9 3 12, 31 22 30, ... it's like a code. I'm looking for a piece of text to apply it to. Click to expand... Well, Raxxla could be coded like 18-1-24-24-12-1 As for weired placed stars - there's not only that cupid's arrow, but much more of that kind, but don't think that will help. Probably that DW toast should be read in constellations? Like, we already found Cassiopeiae (Zeta, as far as we know, but might as well be Shedar, which is only yellow one out of main 5 stars of constellation). I would not put to much into the various tourist beacons, th...

Looks to be an Archimedean spiral, not a golden spiral... apologise for the rough edit (image link below) a simple spiral in Photoshop, if anyone can create a true spiral that matches those stars it would be more accurate, but there does seem to be RAX LA spelt out, how bizarre. Weirdly Rax.la is spelt within equal triangles (bookmarked) maybe the missing one is within that same pattern close to sol? It really can’t be that obvious can it, it could or maybe its just pareidolia. Only last year I did a short exploration trip within the bubble to find un-scanned systems and there were rather a few...not sure what the state of affairs are today. "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth" or likely not... https://photos.app.goo.gl/tn...

Part of those were put by dev's without player input, and some of those might be put in a way so they look like made by players, but they are not. Might need a further investigaton. Is there a full list of those beacons? Click to expand... Most of the sightseeing beacons were submitted by players, in a dedicated forum thread. Those that are about local lore, are made by the FD. Some are taken directly from Galnet or are edited versions of a Galnet post. The Merope 5C TB, is taken from a Galnet article. https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/57c7fe999657badb5446a7f6 I don't think there are any complete list of TBs. There are many incomplete.

You've all done phenomenal work trying to sort out a lead from the Codex offering. Now I will give you my Bazooka Joe wrapper analysis: On Gal map, center on Sol Tilt map south/down as far as possible and zoom into Sol. Slowly zoom out The labelled major systems begin to appear as the minor system names disappear. Take the last letter of the spiral of stars, the R from Castor, the A from Capella , the X from Pollux, the L from Sol, and lastly the A from Vega. Notice there's an X missing. X marks the spot... Of something. Happy New Year! Click to expand... This is actually really silly, but I like it. I was able to find two systems ending in 'X' nearby Sol. I'll investigate them today. I wonder if there is a way to do a wildcard name search on EDSM or similar? I just panned arou...

FD must surely be grinning at reading some of the complex theories explained on here, they're wonderful ideas but maybe its a case of imagination filling in the blanks to make a story and there are a lot of blanks to fill with the whole DW and Raxxla thing. Click to expand... Drew W is (was?) pretty sure only DB and MB know about Raxxla. Lot less of people grinning ! MB is a story-teller and made "..some of it a tiny bit obvious so people know what they are doing". He also made it as a personal journey. The thing is... he's no longer the Maestro of ED and only the lost F/E missions gave that feeling of knowing what we were doing.... Imho. I am not sure all this is still current... But it was nice as long as it lasted... 'You don't think this is ... you know ... with all the rumour...

I'm just glad I'm not the only one who ventured to a distant star based on a hunch Click to expand... Haha - I'm not alone then There was some logic behind it, based on it also being called "Herschel's Garnet" and appearing in roughly the right position to be at Cassiopiae's head. But yeah, nothing there except a couple of stars and a water world. Am now heading back to Maia to get back on the tourist beacon trail.

As in if you know what a pattern of stars looks like and you know the name of them but are trying to work out from which system they are being viewed from. Its probably a long shot to think such a thing is even possible. Click to expand... Its just trial and error, until you find the system that matches. It's doable. The first Guardian ruin was found that way. It helps if you can identify some other star outside your pattern. You may need this to determine the distance and angle. if you only have a tight pattern of stars, it will look similar in a bunch of systems.

Just adding my theory: my research was focused on the "omphalos" part and the relative myth about Zeus and the two eagles. I tried to find in the sky the two eagles without any success, at least until i discovered that the Lyra constellation in the past was represented as a lyre in front of an eagle. So now we have the two eagles, if we prolonge a line from the two constellations, they will intercept in two points. Maybe we are lucky and Raxxla waits there

The problem with tinfoil is... "With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk." -- Attributed to von Neumann The DW quote might be directions. On the other hand it might be a toast. (although it depends on the kind of author). Imagine the toast maker turning in a circle after toasting each stellar body. In which case you might be able to figure out where the toaster is... or not as the case may be. Astrophel could be the first thing you find on google ... or .. it could be a children's story and since its not available in game it is not a clue at all. For the practical minded player the only tangible clue is 2296 but since there is no gameplay that supports that route, we are left again with mythological elephant fitting.

OK here is all I have currently. My theory is we're not supposed to visit each star but rather trace them in the sky, locate the correct stars and...where that leads I haven't got the foggiest. But I'm trying not to over-think this. Its possible all this is just pareidolia. Either way its been a hoot reading these posts and going over old mythology. "To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies" Cassiopeia. "To the whisperer of whichspace" Pheme - the whisper (in constellation of Perseus). The siren of the deepest void - hell/Hades, the sirens looked over Persephone before she was taken by Hades. Virgo ”parents Grief” Cepheus “Lovers woe” Perseus "Yearning of vagabond hearts" - Hermes protector of travellers and vagabonds. Or Odysseus who dressed as a vagabond ...

Bringing this back round, I'm out at Alpha Cygni at the moment. The system map object is still there, and I captured a quick video showing how it moves relative to the star map and the star itself when you reposition the reticule: This is intriguing, but for the life of me I've no idea where to go with it. Edit: Forum plugin broken? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxqo-b7_- for the link. Edit2: I'm not sure what's going on with that link either - "Wxqo-b7_-" is the string for the video. Edit3: Oh really, please don't tell me B and s together are being swear word filtered? Edit4: https://tinyurl.com/y8jsv9hh - let's hope the forum allows that. Click to expand... I think its a bug. To me looks like one of the solar prominences which sometimes form on the side of the star, just out of...

During one of the Creator Roundtable streams, DJ Truthsayer said that FDEV have come out and said that someone has actually travelled through the system that Raxxla is in, unaware of the fact. 1) Is there a source for that? I'm assuming that it was on a gameplay stream or something, rather than an official announcement or forum post. But I thought I'd ask? 2) This would narrow our search down to only previously visited systems. Which I don't know if there's a way to even catalog that considering the amount of players. It's still a TON of systems and "narrow" isn't exactly the right term, of course, but relatively speaking it's also not 400 billion etc.

Well, I can tell you that LGM-1 (the first pulsar she discovered) is very dull in game. One of my earlier exploration trips was to take a look. It has a class G companion, but no planets. Click to expand... Keep in mind the codex referenced a children’s book about princess Astrophel and the Spiraling Stars. I ordered the book in case there are clues.

During one of the Creator Roundtable streams, DJ Truthsayer said that FDEV have come out and said that someone has actually travelled through the system that Raxxla is in, unaware of the fact. 1) Is there a source for that? I'm assuming that it was on a gameplay stream or something, rather than an official announcement or forum post. But I thought I'd ask? 2) This would narrow our search down to only previously visited systems. Which I don't know if there's a way to even catalog that considering the amount of players. It's still a TON of systems and "narrow" isn't exactly the right term, of course, but relatively speaking it's also not 400 billion etc. Click to expand... Nobody's yet provided a source..

In Drew Wagar’s Oolite series of fan fiction (not canon for E D!) Raxxla was a moon of Lave 2 that had the ability to disappear into hyperspace. It disappeared! Also in E D there was a bug that prevented you from landing at one of the moons (or was it an asteroid?). Click to expand... I think the codex puts Raxxla way earlier than Lave or any of the original Elite or The Dark Wheel(the book) events.

Could be, but it does not sound like it's news. It's presented more like a rumor that is well known, but never confirmed. By the way, there used to be a constellation in the southern sky, called Siren. https://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~gent0113/celestia/puzzlingstarmaps.htm The four stars on her head(next to Crux), is possibly the Diamond Cross asterism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Cross The diamond shape with a cross is used on the gate in MBs tattoo. The Siren would have been placed on the edge of the Coalsack nebula. A bit obscure, even for this thread. Click to expand... Great work. Obscure maybe but who knows. On my way back to bubble, I'll swing past there and rescan that area. Coalsac was one of my first trips - back in the day and I seem to recall there's a few ...

Fernweh could be a key to A cipher. Click to expand... Could be a key to a cipher, could also be a key to another culture's way of looking at the stars/constellations.

Could be, but it does not sound like it's news. It's presented more like a rumor that is well known, but never confirmed. By the way, there used to be a constellation in the southern sky, called Siren. https://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~gent0113/celestia/puzzlingstarmaps.htm The four stars on her head(next to Crux), is possibly the Diamond Cross asterism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Cross The diamond shape with a cross is used on the gate in MBs tattoo. The Siren would have been placed on the edge of the Coalsack nebula. A bit obscure, even for this thread. Click to expand... Quite possibly that's the one.

Since others seem to be going down the path of "Princess Astrophel and the Spiraling Stars" refers to the sonnets "Astrophel and Stella" I decided to look for any other possibilities. The conclusion I came to is that "The children's story Princess Astrophel and the spiraling stars" could be in reference to the female scientist "Jocelyn Bell Burnell" who discovered Pulsars (a spiraling star), who has 13 locations named after her in elite within 110 ly from SOL, and has a real world children's book written about her "Jocelyn Bell Burnett Discovering Pulsars". I'll admit the one weakness in this is that the codex refers to the author as male, but this is still fewer weaknesses than using Astrophel and Stella as a source. as an update I pulled the locations in the galaxy of each Burnell named...

Why "fernweh", and not "wanderlust"? I mean, kudos for using a language other than English, but ... why? "Planet" is taken from the Greek word for wanderer, but no planet "Lust" is in GalMap. Perhaps too literal. There are inclusions on the Codex entry for Raxxla that seem out of context, but only just so. Click to expand... Fernweh could be a key to A cipher.

In German game, same thing. Note it also appears between " ". Wikip: from fern (“far”) +‎ Weh (“pain”).Can be literally translated as farsickness or longing for far-off places, as contrasted with Heimweh (“homesickness, longing for home”. It's quite common to keep the original language when using words related to very specific concepts which otherwise could lose some subtile meaning. Often German.

Van Maanen's Star has one of the best established back stories within the Elite universe. The short story On The Wrong Side Of The Law by David Massey (included in Stories of Life on the Frontier from Frontier: Elite II) chronicles Captain Jupiter's encounter with the Guardians of the Free Spirit when his ship experienced an Inadvertent Precipitation from Hyperspace (IPH) and he ended up at van Maanen's while carrying cargo considered to be contraband by the Guardians. Captain Jupiter got a good look on his view screen at a few members of the Guardians of the Free Spirit and there didn't appear to be anything to set them apart from ordinary members of the human race. He was, however, required to remain aboard his ship and conduct all business through indirect communications channels so th...

At the start of chapter 13 of 'And Here the Wheel' the location of a CIEP space station. Without spoiling to much the CIEP and The Dark Wheel are somewhat similar organizations. It is supposed to be vaguely near human space, and in a system which contain a red dwarf, asteroid belt, and a blue-green gas giant (which the base supposedly orbits). The book also mentions that the station is spinning such as to generate Imperial standard gravity which suggest it is likely near imperial space. This may present, in the short term, a more tractable target than the potential Dark Wheel station. (Assuming Fdev put this base/station into the game.) If the requirements for invitation to the CIEP and TDW are similar it would suggest being combat Elite is a basic requirement. The CEIP favor small ship...

Random thoughts and ideas of GURU-951- According to the codex the first mention of Raxxla was in 2296. That's just sixteen years after the Non-Human relic was found on Mars. It was no bigger than a child's hand. No other info has ever been given about it besides the date and the size. The omphalos was a stone. Slightly bigger than a child's hand, but a stone nonetheless. Most accounts locate the Delphi omphalos in the adyton (sacred part of the temple) near the Pythia (oracle). Omphalos is also the name of the stone given to Cronus. There is one landable body that The Oracle station orbits in delphi, but no stations, outposts, or otherwise on the landable. The Almagest system is controlled by Sirius. It is one of the closest fully functional systems to Polaris. In fact, Sirius cont...

Van Maanen's Star has one of the best established back stories within the Elite universe. The short story On The Wrong Side Of The Law by David Massey (included in Stories of Life on the Frontier from Frontier: Elite II) chronicles Captain Jupiter's encounter with the Guardians of the Free Spirit when his ship experienced an Inadvertent Precipitation from Hyperspace (IPH) and he ended up at van Maanen's while carrying cargo considered to be contraband by the Guardians. Captain Jupiter got a good look on his view screen at a few members of the Guardians of the Free Spirit and there didn't appear to be anything to set them apart from ordinary members of the human race. He was, however, required to remain aboard his ship and conduct all business through indirect communications channels so th...

Judging by that picture - it's most likely F-class star. might be A-class, but not so sure. But there's no picture of a gas giant, so no way to understand which class we are talking about. Still the moon looks landable, so that's another thing to consider. Click to expand... Jorki means the opening video rather than the menu screen. The menu screen doesn't have anywhere near enough in it to pin down. The video, however, has Barnards Loop and Witchhead Nebula. The star we've been looking for is the yellow one in between the horns on the elite logo.

Hi guys Off tomorrow on DW2, so my Raxxla Questing will be on hold for a few months, but young Tyko Rasalas (he’s actually a clone, younger and with more hair) may well continue the quest after he’s got his new AspX engineered. IFF the start screen video is a clue (& I still suspect it is, since it’s the only thing that’s “a little bit obvious”) then it’s more complex than I originally thought. It’s definitely a composite of different viewing angles, and object distances. I followed the star patterns but couldn’t find the three around the Griffin head that seem to indicate something special...... Click to expand... I always get drawn to the star between the ears, like thats the target system. They probably added/removed stars to throw us off, since the site location that was decoded ...

At the start of chapter 13 of 'And Here the Wheel' the location of a CIEP space station. Without spoiling to much the CIEP and The Dark Wheel are somewhat similar organizations. It is supposed to be vaguely near human space, and in a system which contain a red dwarf, asteroid belt, and a blue-green gas giant (which the base supposedly orbits). The book also mentions that the station is spinning such as to generate Imperial standard gravity which suggest it is likely near imperial space. This may present, in the short term, a more tractable target than the potential Dark Wheel station. (Assuming Fdev put this base/station into the game.) If the requirements for invitation to the CIEP and TDW are similar it would suggest being combat Elite is a basic requirement. The CEIP favor small ship...

Sorry guys, but can't help adding my five to the tin-mess this Quest has become. So don't forget Macros' Smurf's Planet ! Spoiler https://i.Please use another image host/JOAyCUz.png Almost there ! Spoiler https://i.Please use another image host/acWy5il.png Click to expand... Sorry for quoting you 10 pages later, but: can i get a short briefing on this thing / the origin of the first picture? Is it in the Rift? I've just noticed a similar one in the distance on my way from the Zurara to the edge, and i'm now trying to head to it. Are we chasing the same thing?

On page 322, CMDR GURU explains his groups findings, and so far I think they're the best source of Raxxla info thus far. Everything has an incredible link to Greek mythology, including the Thargoid interceptors - named Cyclops, Basilisk, Medusa and Hydra, respectively. I think this is enough proof to say that the Thargoids and Raxxla are intertwined. We also know that the only member of the Dark Wheel that we've heard of since 1984 is the former senator Kahina Tijani Loren, may she rest in peace. She was known to have stolen meta-alloys from Darnielle's Progress - forty something, if I remember correctly? Why would the Dark Wheel need meta-alloys? Anyways, as I write this, I sit in my newly built Imperial Courier, the Seven Veils, with a pair of meta-alloys in my hold outside of a Thar...

Could we say that Ananke is “the mother of galaxies” then? If so, what’s and what’s in her ‘brow’? Edit: Also, do we know the toast of TDW is before or after Raxxla jumped away? I kinda missed that. Click to expand... Raxxla has never jumped away.

On page 322, CMDR GURU explains his groups findings, and so far I think they're the best source of Raxxla info thus far. Everything has an incredible link to Greek mythology, including the Thargoid interceptors - named Cyclops, Basilisk, Medusa and Hydra, respectively. I think this is enough proof to say that the Thargoids and Raxxla are intertwined. We also know that the only member of the Dark Wheel that we've heard of since 1984 is the former senator Kahina Tijani Loren, may she rest in peace. She was known to have stolen meta-alloys from Darnielle's Progress - forty something, if I remember correctly? Why would the Dark Wheel need meta-alloys? Anyways, as I write this, I sit in my newly built Imperial Courier, the Seven Veils, with a pair of meta-alloys in my hold outside of a Thar...

https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/55ae28209657ba461e357514 Click to expand... Ah, that misdirection. Because 1) there has been no in-game or galnet confirmation that medallion is from the Dark Wheel, though it may be a fair hypothesis that its TDW, however the act of leaving it behind is symbolic that she had left whatever organisation it represented 2) galnet clearly published that it had been left behind in her ship on Achenar, yet the medallion was used later as evidence against her at the trial which condemned her. It was was clearly planted evidence intended to falsely incriminate her- see chapter 5 of Premonition! (Aisling & Gerrun!)

Rebecca was also a part of the club, or at least closely associated with her. They were the organization that kept wiping her memory. Click to expand... Who are Rebecca and Luko?

Not sure why everyone seems to be so stuck on Cassiopeia. She's not the mother of galaxies. Assuming this is referring to Greek mythology (which I'm not entirely convinced of), we have two choices, there's Gaia who is said to have created everything, OR if we want to look at just the creation of the Milky Way (the origin of the word Galaxy is Greek, Galaxia, which is derived from the greek word for milk) we have the story of Hera and Heracles (aka Hercules). The milky way was created when Hera pulled Hercules from her breast, spewing milk out and creating the milky way. My personal opinion, Cassiopeia has nothing to do with this. The link doesn't seem very strong to me. I'm going to do some more reading on this, but I think we should be looking in another constellation. Click to expand....

"Mother of galaxies" is perfectly appropriate in English for Cassiopeia being the mother of Andromeda, maybe you are not a native speaker? If Danarys in Game of a Thrones had only hatched one dragon, her title would still correctly be "mother of dragons". Andromeda is also the only galaxy directly visible in Elite's skybox background so any reference to galaxies in game will logically be referring to Andromeda. Gaia didn't create galaxies in Greek mythology, we didn't know galaxies existed until the 20th Century. She just created "the world". It might not be zeta Cass, but the first clue in the codex is obviously about Cassiopeia and Andromeda. It also makes sense for that first clue to be the easiest to solve from a gameplay design perspective.

First real post on here. I've followed the route from Zeta Casseopia to NGC /(Cupid's arrow) nebula all the way to the Zurara and found nothing. I don't know whether this has been mentioned before re Princess Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars but if you Google "spiralling stars" it takes you to sites about Wolf-Rayet stars. If TRDW/The Club are controlling Raxxla could we be looking for a system with a Wolf Rayet star and a gas giant with 8 moons? It would also probably be within or close to the Bubble because you can't control events in the Bubble from the Formidine Rift. Remember, according to DW these guys like their comfort.

If what you say is true then I might get some closure as to why the dwarf planet Ceres isn't in the game. Click to expand... Ceres was in FE:2 and FFE. Even Phobos and Demios were there. They have probably just been mined to dust over the last 50 years.

Meaning of MACDONALD: Mac stands for "son of" Donald: From the Gaelic name Domhnall which means "ruler of the world", composed of the old Celtic elements dumno "world" and val "rule". So Alexander son of the ruler of the world. But I can't see any relation to Raxxla.

The key to any problem, or puzzle, is to get to the root of it. Where did this all start? You really need to work from there to fix it, or solve it. Did you know that the first mention of Raxxla in 2296, **as stated in the codex**, was by Art Tornqvist and a woman named Cora. Did you know that Art in Greek storytelling was in itself a central character to convey meanings within their stories? Did you know that Cora is a variation of Kore and that Kore is another name for Persephone? Did you know that we found a Non-Human Relic on Mars sixteen years before the first mention of Raxxla? Do you know the story of Mars? Have you been there? What does the Oracle tell you about it? Your Oracle of Delphi is the internet. Fact. Google and Wiki at every step. Braben is one of the founders of ...

A non-"mythology" theory to the Codex: As of right now most people think that the Codex entry to Raxxla has clues that point to some old song book. A different Take: '...the jewel that burns, on the brow of the mother of galaxies...': Common Theory: Most people are hooking onto this Cassiopeia thing. Cassiopeia is the mother of Andromeda, not all galaxies. I mapped many stars in the cassiopeia constellation by downloading the wiki list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stars_in_Cassiopeia My Theory: And mapping them in game. Some go by their name, some go by HIP, some go by HD. I then filtered out to the stars that are in Cassiopeia's forehead region based on some overlays. There are over 100, and I either jumped in and others had mapped, or mapped interesting things my...

And who is now in FD is engaged in LORE after MB? Maybe someone from FD has already said something, and we missed.

And yeah, I’ve got some suspicions about about DW2! We’re you watching the DW2 livestream? There was a point where Ed was saying about the stuff on the way and the CG for a station around Sag A*, so I dropped something in the chat along the lines of ‘!!! Interesting! Especially with Supermassive Blackholes being the mothers of galaxies! ’. Ed had an interesting look on his face afterwards! Click to expand... Quite interesting, yeah. Might be that MB and DB are no longer the only Devs who know about Raxxla... Let's just find "the brow" of this supermassive BH ! (Which I would call the "fate" or "doom" of the galaxy, rather than the "mother"... but it's just me.) Where is her brow, ... snip .. Click to expand... In some other language, the " jewell burns on the top of the mother..e...

I read some Elite chronology titles and found one thing. There was special BHs In the extended edition that using for travel to other galaxies. In same text this other galaxies was a spurs of the Milly way. So probably MW is the mother of galaxies. Where is her brow, jewel etc?.. Where is the Galaxy face? It should be a bright thing. It should burns. In same time I looked at that Raxxla logo from the Codex. I definitely view Sun symbol. That circle with a dot. It surrounded by something triple. This thing holding sun inside itself. So we (you) should to check Sol system twice. Not like a common Commander. But like a hunter for the hidden thing. Unfortunately I can never to visit Sol myself and check all my ideas. Some my principles block me from it. For example I don't want to prove myse...

I don't know about that but Braben him self said during a 2.0 launch that Raxxla was in game, even calling the question "Silly" https://youtu.be/-f7Zx7WUwF0?t=822

May I ask what's your localisation of the game ? Click to expand... Russian. In our localization first sentence of the DW toast is "За жемчужину в короне матери галактик!". Rough word by word translation: "For pearl in crown mother galaxies!". So I think "brow" = "forehead" or "crown". Or just "top" as a top point

In some other language, the " jewell burns on the top of the mother..etc" is the translation . I don't think there is one Raxxla per every ED localization... Or, lost in translation, could be ? Click to expand... Yes, it is. If I'm right in my localisation mentioned "crown" or something same. Or may be crown, diadem or forehead. Jewel on the head. What is it? The top level of MW? Top from the center? From Earth? Polaris is a good variant but it haven't any link to the "mother". Also we may think about Corona Borealis constellation. It alpha is Gemma so same to "gem", and to "jewel" words. P.s. Yes, I know what Alphekka is just single star (Ingame). But this theory was beautiful anyway

Yes, it is. If I'm right in my localisation mentioned "crown" or something same. Or may be crown, diadem or forehead. Jewel on the head. What is it? The top level of MW? Top from the center? From Earth? Polaris is a good variant but it haven't any link to the "mother". Also we may think about Corona Borealis constellation. It alpha is Gemma so same to "gem", and to "jewel" words. P.s. Yes, I know what Alphekka is just single star (Ingame). But this theory was beautiful anyway Click to expand... The Jewel is actually one of the official names of Alphekka. Gnosia is another name for it. Corona Borealis in mythology, is linked to Ariadne: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariadne Aridane is linked to labyrinths, weaving and solving of mazes and pusles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariadn...

they have ... FDev has said it's been in game since launch & you don't need Horizons to find it Click to expand... People get confused with Fdev quotes. The "it has been in-game and doesn't need Horizons" is in reference to the Formidine rift mystery. It has nothing to do with Raxxla. Fdev has only said in reference to Raxxla that it "is in the game and we know where it is" "it needs to be obvious" and "it is in the Milky Way." That, coupled with the in-game Codex is the only concrete information we know. They have never explicitly stated that it is accessible.

Some Raxxla Weirdness: So Everyone is hooked into the Casiopeia thing, and Guru 951 claim... I have some interesting developments. "The jewel that burns in the brow of the mother of galaxies" If you dissect the Cassiopeia stars, one main star is Caph. this means hand, which is held near the forehead in many drawings of Cassiopeia. But her actual brow, is somewhere in the middle of the V that is formed by Caph, gamma, and Schedar. The middle of this is peculiar as it contains a star called Kappa Cassiopeia This star has a red bow, looks like a jewel, is bright, and.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa_Cassiopeiae Was first mapped by Guru-951 https://www.edsm.net/en/system/bodi...ails/idB/40958/nameB/Kappa+Cassiopeiae+BC+6+a So.... Kappa Cassiopeia, might have something...

Some Raxxla Weirdness: So Everyone is hooked into the Casiopeia thing, and Guru 951 claim... I have some interesting developments. "The jewel that burns in the brow of the mother of galaxies" If you dissect the Cassiopeia stars, one main star is Caph. this means hand, which is held near the forehead in many drawings of Cassiopeia. But her actual brow, is somewhere in the middle of the V that is formed by Caph, gamma, and Schedar. The middle of this is peculiar as it contains a star called Kappa Cassiopeia This star has a red bow, looks like a jewel, is bright, and.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa_Cassiopeiae Was first mapped by Guru-951 https://www.edsm.net/en/system/bodi...ails/idB/40958/nameB/Kappa+Cassiopeiae+BC+6+a So.... Kappa Cassiopeia, might have something...

I don't know about that but Braben him self said during a 2.0 launch that Raxxla was in game, even calling the question "Silly" https://youtu.be/-f7Zx7WUwF0?t=822 Click to expand... Right after the silly statement, slightly muffled by a mouth of coffee: "You don't know what it is though" Cover me in tinfoil and call me Connor Spiracy, but I don't think Raxxla is a planet

In September 2015, Drew Wagar - one of the official writers for Elite Dangerous - stated "I spoke to David Braben directly in 2014 and he confirmed to me that 'It’s out there and we (FD) know where it is.' – So it does exist." Click to expand... Raxxla is in the Milky Way. This was confirmed during DJTruthsayer's lore interview with Michael Brookes. Author Drew Wagar said "My own personal theory is that it can't be too far from Sol as it was reachable long ago by more primitive ships. Whether this proves true... I guess we'll find out."

Some Raxxla Weirdness: So Everyone is hooked into the Casiopeia thing, and Guru 951 claim... I have some interesting developments. "The jewel that burns in the brow of the mother of galaxies" If you dissect the Cassiopeia stars, one main star is Caph. this means hand, which is held near the forehead in many drawings of Cassiopeia. But her actual brow, is somewhere in the middle of the V that is formed by Caph, gamma, and Schedar. The middle of this is peculiar as it contains a star called Kappa Cassiopeia This star has a red bow, looks like a jewel, is bright, and.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa_Cassiopeiae Was first mapped by Guru-951 https://www.edsm.net/en/system/bodi...ails/idB/40958/nameB/Kappa+Cassiopeiae+BC+6+a So.... Kappa Cassiopeia, might have something...

Tinfoiling. It's an hypothesis. Click to expand... Looked at Canonn Discord, he posted a second picture of the Orion constellation that the named stars are part. The only trouble is for been the good star mapping, the planet need to be around sol to be see like that otherwise you can't recognise them. Since they fade (hope isn't because of the sun), is mean that the system is "behind" sol when watching the constellation.

Credit to Cmdr Lachann, Canonn Discord ... part of it a tiny bit obvious. I think these are the exact words, yes ? TDW faction, same name as The Dark Wheel by RH, where Raxla appears, seems to me quite a tiny bit obvious. Besides, so people know what they are doing. Seems to imply there IS something to DO. The personal journey. But, again, my teribble Anglich might very well fool myself. Click to expand... How did Lachann get those system names, do we know?

Looked at Canonn Discord, he posted a second picture of the Orion constellation that the named stars are part. The only trouble is for been the good star mapping, the planet need to be around sol to be see like that otherwise you can't recognise them. Since they fade (hope isn't because of the sun), is mean that the system is "behind" sol when watching the constellation. Click to expand... This being Orion is just a wild guess. However, unlike most other constellations, Orion would be visible and somewhat recognizable from much further away from Sol, since most of it's brightest stars are bright and far away. https://i.Please use another image host/ocYVN96.png (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(constellation)#Stars) EDIT: However, colors for some of these stars don't match th...

Has anyone figured out where that station is yet? Click to expand... no, location is obfuscated edit: my hypothesis that the start screen shows Raxxla as a station is based on MB’s comment regarding Raxxla that “there will be no clues, but you have to make it a little bit obvious”, and the original ED start screen is the only thing that could be described as being obvious.

Looked at Canonn Discord, he posted a second picture of the Orion constellation that the named stars are part. The only trouble is for been the good star mapping, the planet need to be around sol to be see like that otherwise you can't recognise them. Since they fade (hope isn't because of the sun), is mean that the system is "behind" sol when watching the constellation. Click to expand... It wouldn't necessarily have to be near sol, it could be any system within a fair distance in a direct line towards or away from the constellation.

This being Orion is just a wild guess. However, unlike most other constellations, Orion would be visible and somewhat recognizable from much further away from Sol, since most of it's brightest stars are bright and far away. (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(constellation)#Stars) EDIT: However, colors for some of these stars don't match the spectral type, so it's unlikely to be Orion in the end. Click to expand... Mmm, haven’t been involved with Canonn much since they moved to Discord. I think the three galaxies in that pic are more likely to be usable for triangulation, so not worried about the star colours being incorrect. But on Scytale’s pic the names of the upper two galaxies are cropped out, hence my interest in the source. I gather this is your hypothesis with no evide...

Mmm, haven’t been involved with Canonn much since they moved to Discord. I think the three galaxies in that pic are more likely to be usable for triangulation, so not worried about the star colours being incorrect. But on Scytale’s pic the names of the upper two galaxies are cropped out, hence my interest in the source. I gather this is your hypothesis with no evidence, but would be interested in what you think are the galaxies. Click to expand... Sadly, I have no idea what those 2 galaxies might be, I just marked them to call attention to them. It's also possible that the object that I tentatively marked M42 here is actually not a part of the skybox, but a far away in-system neutron star or white dwarf - when you zoom in, it looks a little like a jet cone. Here's the closeup of the h...

Does anyone know if the stars on this picture are named correctly or who made this picture? Click to expand... If you’re going to post here you really ought to read the thread. About 6 posts back!

So i'm revisiting this station laser / logo similarity and have gone back to a couple of their stations. That's a hinge, that thing opens, its a hydraulic arm on the end of a hinge. What does that circular ring do, do we think when they open it? Oh and it has some of these inside it; /tinfoil Click to expand... Just going to throw this back into the mix: https://blog.eu.playstation.com/201...id-braben-on-his-favourite-titles/#sf79162914 Now its broadly believed DB is meant to have said 'number stations' instead of what he actually say which was 'numbered stations'. I'm still half of the opinion his actual intention was 'numbered' its an easy mistake to make I suppose but if you're going to leak something you'd tend to do it right.... Plus its the context in which its discussed. ...

Just going to throw this back into the mix: https://blog.eu.playstation.com/201...id-braben-on-his-favourite-titles/#sf79162914 Now its broadly believed DB meant to say 'number stations' instead of 'numbered stations'. I'm still half of the opinion his intention was 'numbered' its an easy mistake to make I suppose but if you're going to leak something you'd tend to do it right.... Plus its the context in which its discussed. For instance DB is referencing another game where a clue was scattered throughout the game. Now I wouldn't say 'number stations' correlate to that, their content that points to other content, not something hidden. 'Numbered stations' fits more into the context of a bigger mystery. On this same note somewhere there's a FD post saying these number's on station entr...

"On that note, though, we have numbered stations in Elite: Dangerous! You might want to write those numbers down.” This makes sense to me, saying "number stations" doesn't. Whether this is linked to Raxxla is another matter, but imo it's got to be something pretty big in game if he specifically mentions it in a short interview

And that old DW logo with dragon and three planets or stars? That one from the wiki... I'm kidding. Nevermind. I have another question for you. Name of the main Earth faction - Mother Gaia. Gaia is the grandmother for all Greek gods. Is is the starting point for the personal journey? But Alphekka - Dea Motrona line looks so solid... I can't to choose one of it for the thinking!

Are you familiar with the Frontier Elite comic, by Dave Jones? Whoa great stuff. http://www.frontierastro.co.uk/Comic/comic.html Timeline in the comic says there were fossils found on Mars in the 2100's, and the first non-human relic in space was found in 2280's. Dates match with the timeline presented at remlok-industries.fr, compiled by the venerable Nicou, from various sources. However, his timeline goes even further stating that entire sources of fossil fuel were found. This means hyperspace was discovered at the same time it was learned that Mars used to be, what it once must have been: a habitable world. The non-human relic, found in space, Nicou subtly hints of being Thargoid in origin, but forgets to mention it was found on Mars too, as stated in tourist beacon 0175. Tourist bea...

I've been tying to look in to the mythological stories of the past and the hints and names used in ED, to possibly find a common link. My assumption is that the most ancient human myths are a result of alien interferens, in the distant past. Probably som 10-15 thousand years ago. Humans at that time would not have fully understood what they experienced or were told by aliens. Hence the myths and religions were created and modified over millennia. Common for the oldest myths is the mother goddess that creates the universe. Often in the form of an egg. These goddesses are usually likened to bees. Particularly the queen bee. Neith, Demeter, Cybele, Artemis and many others are seen as bees in some of their aspects. The oldest mother goddess sculptures, often feature a beehive as headgear. ...

An ear of grain in slience reaped

I think Braben was referring to the unregistered Comms beacons and their seemingly random codes that they broadcasted. Click to expand... Which you can't solve anymore because the station articles they referred to have been missing from the game for a while now.

When I read Raxxla Codex page I thought that Raxxla location may be limited by old ships moving/jump range or max overall distance. Especially for Art's ship. So it is somewhere near Tau Ceti. Not at the one jump distance. More! For example 5-10 jumps. But then I found translation issue with this Codex page. Art said "...Может, по дороге еще на Raxxla заедем?!" in my localization. It's mean: "Maybe by the way we will stop in Raxxla?!" with expression. Then I read English version: "Maybe we should go find Raxxla while we're at it!" Translations aren't equivalent! They may find Raxxla or stop in it? Huge difference. So English version probably is more right. By the context of whole title I think Art and Cora wasn't know where is it. My mistake after all. I missed meaning of that phrase even...

It should be added that Bees were also a symbol of the „Galli“ (wasn’t there something about Gallia a few pages ago?) the castrate priests of Cybele who took part in the annual festivities surrounding the cult of Attis/Cybele. I once read the bee might have been chosen as a symbol because after the marriage she keeps the male part of her murdered partner to reproduce. Another symbol for fertility.

I know its not strictly Canon, but with the recent emergence of the faction calling themselves The Dark Wheel, and needing to be Elite to access their home system, I thought this part of The Dark Wheel by Robert Holdstock tied into the narrative: "One thing's for sure,' Rafe went on drily. 'Unless you get there, unless you become Èlite, you'll never get to Raxxla. And you'll never know exactly what your father was searching for.' 'I don't understand.' 'Were you aware of his involvement in The Dark Wheel?' So perhaps the secret to finding Raxxla lies in Shinrarta Dezhra, as you need to be Elite to gain entry. I am also assuming the emblem on the dark wheel logo is also Elite? (Combat?)

I wouldn't be too quick to throw Guru's claim to the winds. Here's why: Strophalos, also known as Hecate’s wheel has only one ancient reference. The Alexandrian "Chaldean Oracle" talks about Hecate's wheel. Strophalos contains a serpent in its design that is supposed to symbolize rebirth. Unsurprisingly Hecate is related to Persephone as she is referenced in the Homeric Hymn to Demeter. She cried with a piercing voice, calling upon her father [Zeus], the son of Kronos, the highest and the best. But not one of the immortal ones, or of human mortals, heard her voice. Not even the olive trees which bear their splendid harvest. Except for the daughter of Persaios, the one who keeps in mind the vigor of nature. She heard it from her cave. She is Hekatê, with the splendid headband​ Hekatê i...

Something I'd like to ask: The Codex tells about Art and Kore who obviously lived in Tau Ceti. Did we already search and probe that system thoroughly? Idea behind it is, if Kore actually had a map, it might be hidden there somewhere...

I've been tying to look in to the mythological stories of the past and the hints and names used in ED, to possibly find a common link. My assumption is that the most ancient human myths are a result of alien interferens, in the distant past. Probably som 10-15 thousand years ago. Humans at that time would not have fully understood what they experienced or were told by aliens. Hence the myths and religions were created and modified over millennia. Common for the oldest myths is the mother goddess that creates the universe. Often in the form of an egg. These goddesses are usually likened to bees. Particularly the queen bee. Neith, Demeter, Cybele, Artemis and many others are seen as bees in some of their aspects. The oldest mother goddess sculptures, often feature a beehive as headgear. ...

Something I'd like to ask: The Codex tells about Art and Kore who obviously lived in Tau Ceti. Did we already search and probe that system thoroughly? Idea behind it is, if Kore actually had a map, it might be hidden there somewhere... Click to expand... Currently pootling around in Tau Ceti upon this very assumption. Nothing really sticking out, faction alignment is pretty easy as is their permit but not a great deal to do otherwise. Highly likely I have missed something, next I'll explore encircling systems in search any factions linked to Art or Kore / crash site etc...be cool if there was some breadcrumb out there, this is as good a place as any. And that got me thinking. The toast and codex are enticing an all but need more concrete evidence, and by all accounts there's been some...

I think important that the ship for searching was multi-purpose - that is Cobra. At the beginning simple missions can be given (to transport, get that that, to destroy someone). In purely fighting ship or explorer ship, to you the mission won't be offered just. Well and on Lore only Cobra.

Here's what I am working on... Using the method mentioned a few pages back that suggest looking at the Toast to Raxxla as a map and putting adding 'Go' as the first word you get something along the lines of 'Go to the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies, To the whisperer in witch space, the siren of the deepest void. The parents' grief, the lovers' woe and the yearning of our vagabond hearts, to Raxxla' Using this I took the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies as a reference but to what area of the galaxy I don't yet know, the only thing that came to mind straight away was the minor faction, Mother Gaia but this theory will need some work. The next part that stood out to me was the siren of the deepest void. Looking at the galaxy map on the codex t...

SagA is just the big child, gravity is the Mother of all galaxies There was a post indicating if the Mother has even one galaxy child, she’d still be called Mother of Galaxies, it’s an English language thing.

Circe? Good system with the 8th moon around gas giant near (~500ly) the red K class star (unfort. not a giant one). And this is not arrival star So I think this system will experiencing some traffic ;D Click to expand... O7 good luck and fly safe CMDR. *tinfoil* One thing concerning the jewel: In SciFi literature earth is often referred to as the „Blue Juwel“. As afaik TDW is quite an ancient Organisatio it might be earth is actually meant. *tinfoil off*

The Horizon's main menu image looks like a composite. If it was a real place the moons would need to be practically on top of each other or have a massive radius (Which is precluded by the massive ridges). The station in the images does admittedly look like an orbis gone dark. Alexium67's idea of try to match the galactic plane seem like the more promising option. I There is a system near Sol, CM Draconis, that has a special system description, a white star, but no planets. The system description mentions it being populated ( albeit a low population anarchy with an economy) so that seems kinda strange. Click to expand... Something wierd about CM Draconis that I just noticed, after reading your post I looked the system up in the game, I had not yet been to the system and in the galaxy...

O7 good luck and fly safe CMDR. Click to expand... O, no, friend. Not me. I'm too busy even for this easy flight while trying to make some money and the Elite explorer rank. And I haven't enough real time for it But anyway if someone else will found something... No, no, I can't believe. It is just another system with mythological name. Nothing more!

I've been tying to look in to the mythological stories of the past and the hints and names used in ED, to possibly find a common link. <snip> Something going on in the Galaxy or just coincidences? Click to expand... Nothing to add to this, but I just want to say you really do have a knack for laying out a bunch of information and tying it all together with a nice bow. This was a fascinating and informative read.

thats realy interesting. in english also Moon. Hmmpff so i must be wrong because it's a translation mistake. here is the litle fragment text in german ...dass die ursprüngliche Gruppe ihre Basis an Bord eine verlassenen Sternenhafens hatte, der um den achten Planeten eines namenlosen Gasriesen kreist. what i can see too is, "eine" its not correct, it must be sounds like "eines". because "Sternenhafens" has the "s" at the end. thx for the answer Click to expand... Cant currently get on to rewrite the text, but it does seem like a translation error in the German text.

Let's throw an excerpt from the Dark Wheel Codex into the room. Quotation: If you believe the legend, only the bravest and most capable pilots of every generation will receive the honor of being invited to join the group. However, it makes no sense to search for Dark Wheel on your own. So my thesis is still that you can not get along without the combat rage "Elite" in the case of Dark Wheel and Raxxla.

It depends on who is the mother of galaxies. For Milky Way, the mother appears to be Hera, with Milky Way being created from her milk. But Mother of the Galaxy may not be the same as Mother of Galaxies, and the problem is that it's unknown whether or not the Greeks even knew of the existence of more than one galaxy. In any case, you're possibly looking at Hera's crown or jewel or pendant. Otherwise, if you're looking for literally, non-myth, possibly the SagA* black hole may be it, if it has a role in holding the galaxy together and causing stars to form within it. Can look at theories of galaxy formation.

If gravity is the mother, may it be visible? How? By a superclusters? Where are this things placed on the our sky? On the our game sky? I hope you can understand what I want to say. Click to expand... You can not see it, but feel it - see log 4/4 Spoiler https://canonn.science/codex/conflux-delta-site/ I'm not fully convinced that gravity is meant with 'mother of galaxies', but I do like the idea. Also in my opinion 'siren in the deepest void' would fit to the description of the invisible neutron star in the conflux delta logs quite well. Something different.... regarding the Tip Offs... I think it was @Thatchino who asked the question whether those Tip Offs mentioned 'wake supression' - no, by now they did not. But in general they seem to have changed. In the past they led t...

Just a tiny note on interpreting accents in the old lore on the web - these are all OCR'ed scans of the original paper - they contain hundreds of mis-scans, including accents and other artefacts including miss-spellings - I wouldn't waste your time.. Seems to me that the new clue of the toast in the codex is our fattest hint, and yet we have not one coherent story for each aspect of that toast.. we must be looking at it from the wrong angle.. YB

https://www.gamesradar.com/david-braben-elite-dangerous-ps4-interview/ I do not see him hinting about writing numbers down. Can you find your source? Click to expand... Thats the wrong one. this interview: https://blog.eu.playstation.com/201...creator-david-braben-on-his-favourite-titles/ “I think the last game I completed was perhaps Everybody’s Gone to the Rapture. It’s quite a strange, very relaxed game, but by the end I was desperate to know what was going on. I’d gotten a bit hung up on the strange number sequences you get during the game and avidly wrote them all down, but even after the credits I was none the wiser… On that note, though, we have numbered stations in Elite: Dangerous! You might want to write those numbers down.”

Ping Spoiler The key to any problem, or puzzle, is to get to the root of it. Where did this all start? You really need to work from there to fix it, or solve it. Did you know that the first mention of Raxxla in 2296, **as stated in the codex**, was by Art Tornqvist and a woman named Cora. Did you know that Art in Greek storytelling was in itself a central character to convey meanings within their stories? Did you know that Cora is a variation of Kore and that Kore is another name for Persephone? Did you know that we found a Non-Human Relic on Mars sixteen years before the first mention of Raxxla? Do you know the story of Mars? Have you been there? What does the Oracle tell you about it? Your Oracle of Delphi is the internet. Fact. Google and Wiki at every step. Braben is one of...

Frontier has a responsibility to expose certain gameplay behavior to its player base so we don’t see conspiracy around every corner. FDev needs to be much more open about their processes when we are dealing with their mysteries in game. Click to expand... Spoiler "I think we have to make part of it a tiny bit obvious, so people know what they are doing. " Michael Brookes Then, imho: The Dark Wheel, by R.H. ==> Raxxla The Dark Wheel faction, by FD ==> ...

Some addition for my Coronae Borealis "theory". There are so named "Blaze star" in this constellation. I don't know English enough, but I think "burns" and "blazes" are the very same words. Unfortunately this star is not in our game Probably because it is too new. Or too secret. Oh, sorry, I again going hunting ghosts.

I suppose I should've specified. The lore of the books Raxxla is derived from describe a planet being lost through said rift. I'd always assumed this wasn't coincidental as the planet had two MASSIVE structures on either pole, supposedly the Omphalos rift. It has been a hot couple of years since I perused all the lore, but if you have the books, read them, because it'll take me ages to find years-old posts on reddit, youtube, etc Click to expand... Which I suppose, to correct myself, doesn't necessarily make it a canonnical event, just like the old "Humans transported to other galaxies" isn't confirmed in E D (is it?) Edit: That one: Alien World. I got my sources on this one, chief. The ORIGINAL mention of Raxxla, the lizardoid Raxxlans, their wars, and Point-to-Point travel. Edit (Ag...

Has anyone looked at dates in the game and compared them to real life. Now that this game has a real time date we can compare anything in the games history. For instance: https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/Galactic_Cooperative First conflict with the thargoids in 3125. if it's 3305 then: 3305-3125=180. 2019-180=1839. What if anything happened in 1839 that would make sense. Since this game is british I would assume it's something from their perspective potentially. So, what is notable to the british from 1839? If not what else happened in 1839 that might equal the thargoids? https://www.hisdates.com/years/1839-historical-events.html The same thing can be done with the disbanding of the galcop charter: 3305-3174=131. 2019-131=1888. What if anything collapsed in 1888? https://www.hisd...

Just got a glimps at this in the picture thread: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...raphy-Thread?p=7400468&viewfull=1#post7400468 I'm waiting for a reply on where he saw this. I'm not sure if this is in game or an edited photo. If it's real that is really interesting. https://i.Please use another image host/xuXAtoD.png

Unless the entirety of the dark wheel is like some inside joke on everyone by adventurers. Felicity farseer is an adventurer and it could all be them just messing with everyone for fun. It's not like there are no advantages for adventurers to make up stories and perpetuate them. The entire raxxla thing is basically like a giant joke passed down by adventurers over the centuries. I wonder if Raxxla isn't just the first place found by adventurers headed out from sol. Or the first station made in the early days of spaceflight.

Which I suppose, to correct myself, doesn't necessarily make it a canonnical event, just like the old "Humans transported to other galaxies" isn't confirmed in E D (is it?) Edit: That one: Alien World. I got my sources on this one, chief. The ORIGINAL mention of Raxxla, the lizardoid Raxxlans, their wars, and Point-to-Point travel. Edit (Again): And good luck obtaining the books. As far as I know frontier stopped selling the old lore, and on Amazon copies sell for $100 or more. If anyone can find me the books for a reasonable price I'll directly source clues. Click to expand... Which book do you need? TDW can be read in full here, http://www.elitehomepage.org/dkwheel.htm

The Lovers Woe may pertain to Zhinu and Vega. Star-crossed lovers Zhinu – represented by the star Vega in the constellation Lyra – and a humble farm boy, Niulang, represented by the star Altair in Aquila. just a thought i have been combing this thread for 3 days now chasing leads. Going to check this out tonight. Click to expand... I've seen that several posters have made good point about Vega and Lyra. I think the strongest point is the 'Princess Astrophel and the Spiraling Stars'. Princess star lover and the spiraling stars, seem to fit well with the story of "The Cowherd and the Weaver Girl": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cowherd_and_the_Weaver_Girl Even more so with the Japanese version of the story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanabata Where Princess Orihime(Vega) loves H...

DW in SD have stopped handing out missions, and Felicity Farseer states in the DW codex that DW impersonators get quietly closed down, which seems like a fairly fat hint that the DW in SD is not the true DW. The Raxxla Codex implies that DW don't know where raxxla is as its 'their principle aim' to find it. Of course, if the DW don't know where it is then chasing the toast may not help. That leaves even less to go on though, so at least following the DW might lead to some extra information so that there _is_ something to go on. So in summary, chasing the DW might be the only path available - anyone ever come across Lyta Crane? Only stuff on the oracle (web) is some anime character which seems unlikely - apparently she's a DW expert and could be handy to tap up.. Yelboc.

I don’t know where to find the source of this but a while back now, when questioned about Raxxla, frontier said that one person had been in the system at some point? If that was said and someone can confirm I’m not just chatting rubbish, then surely Raxxla wouldn’t be as close to the bubble as we think? I get that space is huge and all that but still, if only one person at that time had jumped into the system and jumped out, we should probably be setting our eyes a Tiny bit further out of the bubble There might still be clues and things around the bubble but the end destination probably won’t be.

Its probably already been said but has anyone made the connection between the reclamation cover and Orion?

Its probably already been said but has anyone made the connection between the reclamation cover and Orion? Click to expand... DW's series is not confirmed 100% lore, as he himself said that fdev and he did not write about Raxxla, they already had it. From the same AMA, he guessed it would be within a few hundred LYrs from Sol.

https://www.iffs.se/en/research/researchers/maria-tornqvist/ 8\ When did the art tornqvist live in elite dangerous timeline? Click to expand... Wrong Art Tornqvist. "Maria" doesn't pronounce similarly to Art. Much more likely to be Marit Tornqvist, with "Marit" pronouncing much closer to Art. And, she illustrates children's books, which deal with fables, which seems to be a bit more apropos to the rest of the Codex.

You do realize what Bonespire Publishing really stands for, right?

please for the love of science can we stop thinking that raxxla is behind a permit lock or other such nonsense, having researched raxxla, the formidine rift and other mysterious goings on in ED before ps4 launch. it was said that raxxla is the only planet apart from the core systems that is not procedurally generated (it was placed in a certain spot by FDev) it has been in the game since day one and DOESN'T need any special permits or equipment to get to where it is. me personally I think that raxxla could one of 2 things either it is a unique looking planet around a very old star near the bubble, and possibly has a large unique station in orbit around it, or then again it could also be a rather bland megaship 3 million light seconds away from a neutron star. only David Braben and a selec...

I'm fairly sure that someone in FD said that the system containing Raxxla had been visited, although this may be misinformation. Michael Brookes definitely said that there was no need for a second galaxy in the game until we have explored all of this one, bit that doesn't rule out the possibility that a star gate might be possible to another distant, possibly otherwise inaccessible location in our galaxy. The Dark Wheel is supposed to have travelled through this portal.... However, I'm not convinced fDev would have put code into the game for this rather niche circumstance. If Raxxla turns out to be an abandoned settlement, well, it would be better to travel in hope than to arrive.

There’s another possibility. I think everyone so far has assumed “Princess Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars” refers to the “Astrophel and Stella” sonnets by Philip Sydney, however it might also be an association instead of a single entity, i.e. “Princess Astrophel” and “The Spiralling Stars”. Someone recently posted that they thought the earlier clue pointed towards the Maia region, and of course that is now in the Thargoid area of influence. What if the “Spiralling Stars” part of this refers to the display in a Thargoid Structure? Click to expand... Could also refer to Spiral, Helix, or Cat's Eye stars, notably spiralling star sectors.

So are you suggesting that even FD doesn’t know where Raxxla is because if so ???????? Click to expand... I think Herr Professor-Doktor is suggesting that Astrographics doesn't. Then neither your NavSystem does. Then "permit" is senseless. Search results Drew Wagar‏ @drewwagar 14 Aug 2018More If I had a £ for everytime I was asked "Where is #Raxxla?" I'd be able to buy modestly outfitted ship in #elitedangerous. I don't know - I'm pretty sure that only David Braben and Michael Brookes are privvy to the secret. ​

I almost never post, just read, but this time i think I can add a bit to the topic: I won't claim to be right on any of the following, just putting the pieces together: 1) raxxla should be in the game since day 1 (it is old lore so this makes sense) => it should conform to day 1 game mechanics... it's 'a thing in space'... a tourist beacon, a planet, a station... 2) FDev are really fans of greek mythology: from TDW book: 'Trader Fields', she said, and touched the heel of her right hand to her left shoulder by way of salute. 'My given name is Elyssia. Elyssia Fields.' She smiled again. 'My brood mother's little joke. She discovered Greek mythology at age 9 when she was incubating her first cluster.' Brood mother? Greek? Incubating clusters? That meant that Elyssia Fields was from T...

Has anyone figured out if there is a reason behind permit locks besides FD wanting to. Maybe there is an in game mechanic at play that causes this to happen. And maybe a way to reverse it. Click to expand... It's to provide fDev with scope for game expansions in the future. If everywhere has been explored or at least travelled through, it makes it difficult for fDev to drop in that amazing new alien civilization in season 8 or whatever. The amount of permit locked space increased significantly a couple of years after launch, presumably because fDev firmed up plans for future content and because exploration was proceeding much faster than originally expected.

Has anyone figured out if there is a reason behind permit locks besides FD wanting to. Maybe there is an in game mechanic at play that causes this to happen. And maybe a way to reverse it. Click to expand... It's to provide fDev with scope for game expansions in the future. If everywhere has been explored or at least travelled through, it makes it difficult for fDev to drop in that amazing new alien civilization in season 8 or whatever. The amount of permit locked space increased significantly a couple of years after launch, presumably because fDev firmed up plans for future content and because exploration was proceeding much faster than originally expected. Click to expand... Indeed. We have firm hints in-game of other alien species that are likely to rear their tentacles at some s...

I found the roots of Guru's last screenshot and that marked name Alexander. The roots are going from Egyptian hieroglyphs. Commonly it have right-to-left typing. So look here: Spoiler It is Alexander the Great 's name typed using hieroglyphs. It is not Raxxla even if read it from the end but very similar. There was two Alexander's sons: Alexander IV and Heracles (not Hercules). And there are alone systems with lonely star (Heracles) ingame. Then the constellation too and the sector of unnamed stars... Too many objects for my mind. P.S. Alexander IV 's Russian Wikipedia page have (I don't know why it is) hieroglyphed personal name as "Son of Ra" that imaged as No! I don't mean Donald Duck and MacDonald!

Just for fun: Some thinking about Raxxla logo and hieroglyphs: Star, Crescent moon, "half-month festival" as a half of Star+Crescent Are you remember the central part of Raxxla logo? Sun and three crescents around it... Mmm?.. System with three moons? Too easy. May be the half of the half of the half of the Sun... Oh... I want to sleep. Click to expand... The standard astronomical symbols are based on the hieroglyphs for some objects: https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/680/solar-system-symbols/ The circle dot is the Sun. Not any sun. The asteriix is for all the other stars. The cresent is our moon, Luna.

I found an interesting article on the stellar aspect of the Elysian mysteries: http://www.panix.com/~gblt/eleusislaturarev82b.pdf It has the elements needed to qualify as a Raxxla lead, linking Hecate (goddess of gates, crossrads and magic), Plato's cosmological model and real space phenomena. I did a little checking. My best vector from Sol would be towards 1 Geminorum (1 Gem). Haven't doen any deep digging, but it looks interesting. Hecate's wheel looks a bit like the Raxxla logo as well. Spoiler https://www.google.com/search?biw=1...60.112.2......1....1..gws-wiz-img.GYPpmI_jgHU

While scouring the web for any remote tidbit of Raxxla lore, as yet undisturbed, i was directed to the comment section beneath the Raxxla wiki where this can be seen: not having played the original games, can anyone confirm it? "The original Raxxla is a planet with a Coriolis station also named "Raxxla" in Galaxy 9, Andromeda. Raxxla itself is a feudal world with reptile race with higher technology level than humans. Raxxlans were extremely hostile to every other race. War was what they loved and aimed for. Raxxla itself is not hard to find. Raxxlans will attack without hesitation giving out their location. The closer you get more aggressive they become. Anyone in their territory must be Elite or die. They will give the permit to enter their station after you have proven your skills in b...

Sorry hole thing didn't copy, and it continues... The trade and military union ended when Dark Wheel entered the forbidden Raxxlan territory with a generation ship. This broke the deal that was made between humans and reptiles. Raxxlans arranged clan wars to declare owners of the systems. Ben Ryder wanted to get his own deals with Raxxlans and built his own gateway in 3125. This was the only known way to find Raxxla without deeper involvement with the Dark Wheel. The only way to get to Raxxla was to use Ben Ryder's gateway which was located near Lave and Tionisla system. The only way to find the gateway was to visit Lave Station, ask for permission from Ben Ryder and fly around clockwise around Lave system to Tionisla. The trip had to be not less than 7 to 9 jumps before entering the se...

Spoilers for 'And Here the Wheel" below: Spoiler The Ceepers stole the Starburst weapon prototype from a Federal facility in Eta Cass. The end goal was to alter the Imperial succession order, and provoke a war between the Feds and Imps. With Humanity being unified under an Imp banner when the Thargoids show up. Given the Nova Imp. stuff maybe they needed to act once more? 0) The number of factions with the ability to defeat 'stealth' tech, and have the reach to knock off a secret facility in Sol has got to be a very short list. 1) It does not specifically state that it was a Fed Military site, or a Corporation. 2) The hint that it is on Earth's moon (Lunar) may have been used in a general sense to indicate the surface of a moon. 3) Maybe this is related to the Halfnium and SAP 8 co...

Just for fun: Some thinking about Raxxla logo and hieroglyphs: Star, Crescent moon, "half-month festival" as a half of Star+Crescent Are you remember the central part of Raxxla logo? Sun and three crescents around it... Mmm?.. System with three moons? Too easy. May be the half of the half of the half of the Sun... Oh... I want to sleep.

The original Elite was before my time and as such I never played it but are we sure Raxxla wasn't in the original Elite? David Braben said in a stream once that there was a way to access more than the standard 8 galaxies coded into the game but they where never used, maybe the way to get there was never found?

This is the back of stones legacy base. I bet raxxla will be something like this with jump abilities or something. I would not be surprised. Are there a lot of these in the galaxy. Or do all stations have this but it's hidden by some back part it's attached too? Note the number of engines. A configuration of 6 with one in the middle. Click to expand... There are other stations like that, even back in season 1 when stations were first sent to Ceos and Sothis, they had engines with exhaust plumes. In the lore, Ocellus stations are built in one location and sent through hyperspace to their target system, but some orbis stations can do that as well. Jaques station is an orbis type and it moved around once a month at the game's launch iirc. It is certainly possible that there is another stat...

DW has hinted there’s more to be found related to the FRift mystery. Click to expand... I'm sure i've seen a Facebook post/comment screenshot by Drew in which he speaks about that. Just can't find it now. I think you're referencing the same thing, don't you have a source for it saved somewhere?

I’ve also been starting to go through all the catalogued GalNet articles. There was mention, I think by DB, that some hint had been dropped in an obscure GalNet quite a long time ago that no one had noticed. Maybe I’ll come across something. It’ll take a while to go through them all tho.

I just found this also, Maybe finding all the tourists beacons will help somehow. Maybe scouring all in game data is, again, going to help. This all sounds like previous data. I think it's been mentioned specifically actually: We might just have to collect all this info and put it together. It is interestingly a cobraMKIII. Is tourist beacon data stored in the codex or anything after reading it? Click to expand... Yeah this was the old lady’s cobra that Salomé had spoken about. This info lead to the discovery of the Formanide Rift. Interestingly the answer to the riddle was the Andromeda constellation between the heart and soul nebulae. So Andromeda lead the way to the Rift. I think looking at the Cassiopeia constellation directly for clues is a mistake. I think the jewel on the brow ...

So the article talks about the X (X marks the spot) formed by the intersection of the Milky Way and possibly the Solar System orbital plane (different interpretations of what plane actually). But, the article has a picture (Fig. 1) that clearly shows the plane of the ecliptic intersecting the Milky Way at one star at the "foot" of Castor of the Gemini constellation. So here's the Gemini constellation: And with the stars named: "Tejat Posterior" would be the X mentioned in the article. This website gives a meaning for the name Tejat Posterior (as "Back Foot") and also names the other stars in Gemini. Note how Athena (the star) is IN the constellation of Gemini. EDIT: Interestingly, Tejat Posterior A is a red giant, and the star surface has a texture that is only in parts "plasma" like...

Not that I’m aware of. The Zurara I think is the only thing found there of note. DW was adamant that the FR mystery didn’t boil down to just a POI, but once the Zurara was found a lot of people stopped looking there assuming the whole thing was over with. I think there’s prolly something else to be found there although that’s just speculation. And if there is idk if it would be in any way related to Raxxla, or if it would be related to The Club, etc. Click to expand... For the first time I have just taken a trip through the Formadine Rift as well as visiting the settlements on the return to the Heart and Soul Nebulas. After reading the transmissions at the various sites I came away thinking that there has to be something else to find in this location and the repetition in key phrases ...

The Jewel that burns (burning is orange usually, not blue) The jewel lies on the brow of Cassiopeia: if you think its a clue, the system is: HR 124 https://i.Please use another image host/ANj5yAb.jpg This is Cassiopeia, from Sol. the straight line above HR 124 is Caph and Schedar, the Blue star above KR 124 is Zeta Cassiopeia. Since Cassiopeia is upside down, the thing that represents her brow from most drawings is HR 124 area, not Zeta Cassiopeia. Another interesting tidbit is in some drawings Cassiopeia has a mirror...

*securely fastens tinfoil hat* so I’ve been thinking, maybe we need to get to the... crux... of the issue (see what I did there? ) Cassiopeia is in the north, and she’s holding a mirror. Crux is in the south and holds ‘The Jewel Box’ cluster. She would see that. It’s a jewel she would be seeing, and it might be a little on the nose to stuff something in the southern cross where X marks the spot. It might even be described as ‘just a little bit obvious’.

Haven’t fleshed out this idea yet because if it’s connected together I’m not quite sure how. But I think most, like myself, suspect Delphi is connected to Raxxla (with good reason). There doesn’t appear, to me, to be anything within the system to help us find anything outside of it (other than perhaps coordnance from the Thargoid base). If we consider the Delphi system iteself to be the center from which to view things, I’m curious what the Cassiopeia constellation looks like from the point of view of Delphi. I think, as others have said, that the mother of galaxies is referencing Cassiopeia, the parents greif and the lovers woe, I think is the Andromeda constellation (parents had to sacrifice her and her lover saved her). I wonder if viewing these two from Delphi might give us some hints....

I would also have to agree that Astrophil and the Spiriling stars is in reference to a black hole. (Looking at the “eyes to see” part of the entry) In the sonnets they seem to reference, Stella’s eyes are described as both black and bright. And in the end of sonnet 7, we are told why they are so. They’re a trap, used to enhance her beauty to lure men in, ultimately, to their death. Their love of Stella (Asprophil) was the sacrifice, they were a sirens song in a way. And stars do certainly seem to spiral in the warped space around black holes. So it seems the most fitting explanation for that codex entry.

"Mother of Galaxies" could potentially be interpreted as being Hera (or Juno, in Roman terms), as the Milky Way was said to have come into existence when the infant Heracles (Hercules) was suckled at her breast and then either torn away by Hera or was too enthusiastic and bit her. The resulting spray of milk became the via lactea, or Milky Way Galaxy. There is no constellation associated with Hera. (Constellations seemed to be reserved for objects and people either killed or "used" by Zeus ) Click to expand... You could consider Ananke as the mother of galaxies though (which is a group of asteroids in orbit around Jupiter irl) and given that premise could consider callisto as the 8th moon around Jupiter as a location for TDW.

"Mother of Galaxies" could potentially be interpreted as being Hera (or Juno, in Roman terms), as the Milky Way was said to have come into existence when the infant Heracles (Hercules) was suckled at her breast and then either torn away by Hera or was too enthusiastic and bit her. The resulting spray of milk became the via lactea, or Milky Way Galaxy. There is no constellation associated with Hera. (Constellations seemed to be reserved for objects and people either killed or "used" by Zeus )

I've been wondering what that could mean.(the circle in raxxla.) BTW, the back image seems to be related to the back of a station interior. The 3 part circumferences are and upside down reticule on the system map or something seen in the front of the interior of a station potentially. The only part I have not found a very blunt equivilant too is the hexagon with 18 dashes. Stations have 18 dashes in some stations with red rear interiors but it's in a circle. And as to not killing. Do you have to have no combat kill experience. I've wondered this. Because there is an oddity related to combat for explroreres. The only way to max jump range in an anaconda is to get dangerous in combat for the jamison engineer. I was going to do pure exploration but I would need to get that level in combat so...

IF the central circle of the Raxxla icon is Sol https://i.Please use another image host/0MTjAnC.png How to interpret the rest of the drawing ? And about Hermes, he also gave his magic shoes to Perseus (as asked by Athena) who then could fly to save Andromeda. What a mess... But more stuff in the line of Mercury and the witchspace.

"Mother of Galaxies" could potentially be interpreted as being Hera (or Juno, in Roman terms), as the Milky Way was said to have come into existence when the infant Heracles (Hercules) was suckled at her breast and then either torn away by Hera or was too enthusiastic and bit her. The resulting spray of milk became the via lactea, or Milky Way Galaxy. There is no constellation associated with Hera. (Constellations seemed to be reserved for objects and people either killed or "used" by Zeus ) Click to expand... There is a system Hera tho. Funny enough I randomly chose that one as my void opal mining area as planet 3 has a big ole store of em. There’s a system Apollo too which is related to the Delphi story in mythology.

I’ve done it, but only in the direction of Sirius. It’s not good for the pait job to go out there. Click to expand... Humans flew from Sol to Tau Ceti. And then Raxxla myth was born. Two Cmdrs might want to supercruise, one from TC to Sol and the other the inverse route. First to stumble on Raxxla wins !

Then Coma Berenices (again) is the bright star we can see as apparently sitting on the top of the MW when looking at from Sol ? If so, interessing, indeed ! I guess it would not be very different if looking at it from Shinrarta or Tau Ceti, due to small paralax ?

From my siftings of galnet, not very much but some interesting patterns. some 'crank' discussed "They took her for their own purposes. Not the lizard people from Andromeda, that’s the Imperial Dynasty. She’s been taken somewhere different.” https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/14-AUG-3301 Many lore famiiy members are in the news: Journalist Katherine Ryder Colm Tornquist of the Imperial Herald Professor Cora Shaw, director of the Palin Institute. to name a few.. But in general there really isn't much - I haven't got through the whole archive yet, but have another 18 months to go having started at the start in 3301. Galnet has certainly improved over the years Its worth reading to see how the other in game stories have evolved as this gives us a flavour of how things might ...

I believe you are all wrong... The first line of the toast i am fairly confident is referring to a female astronomer looking through a telescope and having that stars light shine on thier brow. This person would have to be considered in some fashion a Mother of Galaxies. Could be: 1) Henrietta Swan Leavitt and her discovery of Cepheid stars responsible for giving us the ability to calculate cosmic distances. 2) Jocelyn Bell Burnell who worked with pulsars in particular LGM-1 (Little Green Men) 3) Vera Florence Cooper Rubin - Worked with Galaxy rotation. Could be more applicable fits all the above in some way link together with galaxies although Vera being the most obvious but lacking that "Star on the brow" unless we are talking about A*.

Coma Berenices? And it alpha is Diadem. F-class dwarf with only gas giant with 7 moons. Very intrigued! ...as and many other theories...

Lotta good a dead person is though. Click to expand... Yeah but that was the message we got she sent after she knew she would die. It was something we were supposed to do in the event she didn’t make it. Really it’s the only message we have directly from a DW member.

Regarding polaris and the pole star - due to earths wobbling and the precession of the orbit, the pole star is not polaris in either ancient greek times or in 3305. In Ancient greece its a choice of beta-Ursa-minor, or kappa draconis. In 3305, Errai (gamma-Cephus) is the nearest bright star. Is this relevant ? - not sure ! YB

Have you been to check it out yet? Was at Zeta Cass yesterday to no avail. Didn’t go to HR 124 tho. Click to expand... *securely fastens tinfoil hat* so I’ve been thinking, maybe we need to get to the... crux... of the issue (see what I did there? ) Cassiopeia is in the north, and she’s holding a mirror. Crux is in the south and holds ‘The Jewel Box’ cluster. She would see that. It’s a jewel she would be seeing, and it might be a little on the nose to stuff something in the southern cross where X marks the spot. It might even be described as ‘just a little bit obvious’. Click to expand... I know this is a bit late but I visited both those systems for you: https://Please use another image host/a/MvBYlJw Nothing of interest in either the system map or the system itself, as far as I c...

The Medallion absolutely did belong to Kahina. This was confirmed in chapter 15 of Premonition. During her trial when Gerrun had the medallion brought forward as evidence Kahina was surprised that they had it. From the relevant part of the book: Furthermore the novel reveals the origin of the symbol: Of course Premonition also throws some shade toward The Dark Wheel as a minor faction in Shinrarta Dhezra. From the same chapter: Now, assuming all this is canon and that Rebecca was being honest, she also gives a good description of just who The Dark Wheel are: Don't be surprised that The Dark Wheel is operating in diverse places and through organizations that you would never suspect. Everything is connected. These passages from Premonition are some of the few, very rare, canon reference...

Right on, Commanders ! But be aware that while the witch Salomé was summoned by Rebecca (TDW) to become the CoR High Priestess, it doesn't imply that she was a member of the organisation. Just another toy. The medallion thing was a hoax. Nor TDW had a special interest in unveiling the Club or messing with the Powers. They called the witch because CoR asked for their help. Iirc, of course. ‘You promised you would help us,’ the second man prompted. (CoR) ‘And so I (TDW) have, my dear Lestenio. I have selected you a leader.( Kahina)’ Click to expand... This thread is wandering away from its subject. I don’t understand why people think Salomé or Rebecca were members of TDW, nor why this is continually coming up in a thread dedicated to finding Raxxla. The medallion that Salomé left ...

Right on, Commanders ! But be aware that while the witch Salomé was summoned by Rebecca (TDW) to become the CoR High Priestess, it doesn't imply that she was a member of the organisation. Just another toy. The medallion thing was a hoax. Nor TDW had a special interest in unveiling the Club or messing with the Powers. They called the witch because CoR asked for their help. Iirc, of course. ‘You promised you would help us,’ the second man prompted. (CoR) ‘And so I (TDW) have, my dear Lestenio. I have selected you a leader.( Kahina)’

IF the central circle of the Raxxla icon is Sol How to interpret the rest of the drawing ? And about Hermes, he also gave his magic shoes to Perseus (as asked by Athena) who then could fly to save Andromeda. What a mess... But more stuff in the line of Mercury and the witchspace. Click to expand... In alchemy this is the symbol for gold.

Out of curiosity when you went there did you try turning off your engines and seeing where it took you? The grav well was strong enough in my anaconda to pull me until I went 500m/s and seemingly floated to towards the middle of the two planets. And I thought of something interesting. Probably been said before, but a place that is not a place from game terms could be an asteroid belt.(Are the asteroids from the asteroid belt in sol missing btw?!) Some stuff says it's not in game. I wonder if you just have to manually find it. 8) And the alchemy gold symbol thing is interesting. I saw something that referenced gold but can't remember. Raxxla could easily be related to the philosophers stone. And early I mentioned another thing near tionisla or something. It was the beacon about the parti...

Pandora was the first woman created by Hephaestus by order of Zeus. There was her daughter - Pyrrha. Far system in Colonia if I'm right.

I believe that Drew's old Q&A page regarding Reclamation refused to identify if "the old lady" was Rebecca or Elyssia. Click to expand... Managed to track down the post from Drew that I was talking about. It says lore, not old lore, but pretty much right other than that. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Find-Raxxla?p=5792145&viewfull=1#post5792145 In Chapter 6 of Premonition, when Salome meets the spiky haired lady and the old lady on the Cor Meum Et Animam, there’s the following about the spiky haired lady: “There was something odd about the way she moved; it was almost mechanical, almost too precise to be human.” Which tallies with Elyssia being cybernetically enhanced. Salome also observes that the spiky haired lady is completely unchanged since their last encounter. That’...

I hadn’t spotted it either until your comments yesterday prompted me to to a quick search. I really need to go back to the books and do another analysis of the characters. yes, it seems significant that many characters are clones: Elyssia, Rebecca, Salomé, Octavia, possibly Arissa, maybe the spiky-haired woman...wonder if there’s something here we missed. Could do with a timely comment from DW on this. Click to expand... I think they are all the same model as Elyssia. The description of the old lady from Reclamation made me believe she was actually Elyssia, long before Premonition.

Sounds logical and believable, though wasn’t aware Elyssia was cybernetically enhanced. Is that from the original novella? Dont remember it. Wondering now if there might be a link to Jaques???? Who I think is the only other character known to be cybernetically enhanced. Click to expand... It’s something Drew said in his lore questions thread. See a few posts back: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-questions-)?p=7184653&viewfull=1#post7184653 Not sure on the Jacques link. Personally my take on it is more that we’re just not particularly aware of any other cyborgs rather than there being some special connection between the two we do know of.

Not sure whether or not this angle has been discussed or not yet, but the raxxla logo perfectly matches an overlay of Metatron's Circle. Here's a (very) rough mock up...not sure if it means anything or not.

Not sure whether or not this angle has been discussed or not yet, but the raxxla logo perfectly matches an overlay of Metatron's Circle. Here's a (very) rough mock up...not sure if it means anything or not. Click to expand... From those lines I'm willing to bet so is the anaconda's hull. If not some of the original ships in the original games look just like that. Maybe you are onto something. Do we need to figure out what the original ships were modeled after? That looks very interesting. Maybe some of the geometry from the original game would ultimately lead to clues. I think the inner circle of the metatron circle should literally be the circle that is in 6 parts in them middle. That would make the center lines directly on the dotted lines and the ends of the black lined hexagon. Or...

This is probably also obvious, but some of the large ground stations are also a circle with a dot in the middle. That could make the middle of the Raxxla image a ground base with a system map reticule around it. Spoiler https://i.Please use another image host/iFpS3xu.jpg Here's another fun idea. I just found the anteres wreckage and tourist beacon. It has the actual ship parts in space. Has anyone tried to piece it together and forensically make a model of the ship to see what it looked like? Maybe it give some info to something. Don't know how to do it but I bet someone out there would know how. I wonder if it actually has a unique build or if it uses another ship type. I can't tell from the wreckage so far. NVM, I'm starting to think it's random debri or an anaconda hull... That w...

Managed to track down the post from Drew that I was talking about. It says lore, not old lore, but pretty much right other than that. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Find-Raxxla?p=5792145&viewfull=1#post5792145 In Chapter 6 of Premonition, when Salome meets the spiky haired lady and the old lady on the Cor Meum Et Animam, there’s the following about the spiky haired lady: “There was something odd about the way she moved; it was almost mechanical, almost too precise to be human.” Which tallies with Elyssia being cybernetically enhanced. Salome also observes that the spiky haired lady is completely unchanged since their last encounter. That’s then in contrast with her observation of the old lady: “The old lady from the hospital! But even older … so much older!” The spiky haired...

I think they are all the same model as Elyssia. The description of the old lady from Reclamation made me believe she was actually Elyssia, long before Premonition. Click to expand... Yep. Plus technically that makes them all a clone of one of the original flight crew from the Teorge colonisation ship. I do wonder just how far back things go.

Was thinking about 'the jewel that burns...' - possibly the only jewel that burns is diamond, most others already being oxides of silicon or aluminium etc. There are, then a number of possible diamond angles: Spoiler the diamond ring nebula, of which there are 2, but only Abell 33 is close enough, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_ring_nebula white dwarf are 'diamond stars' being composed of oxygen and carbon - eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BPM_37093 carbon planets such as - PSR J1719-1438 b - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_J1719-1438_b the great diamond constellation , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Diamond and others, I'm sure.. YB

Geometry is fascinating, but here it is a result of the routine in game code. The same overlay is used on many objects and sites in the game. More fascinating for me is that there are objects in front of "bunkers doors" at new guardians structures (the one using a key) that have VERY similar engraving (picture, non-active mechanism?) to Raxxla symbol. 2 layers with 3 *wings* (one above the other, upper one rotated 30 degrees (IIRC) like a rotating lock. I posted a picture somewhere and to me (for now), resemblance is astonishing. Could be also the result of above mentioned routine, but in this case an artist puts an extra effort on it to make it 3D-like, so I find it suspicious. @CMDR Rochester: I prefer table dance scene in "Dogma" [up]

Only "hint" that could make me think that, perhaps, Raxxla might be related to the Thargs is DW saying "Raxxla and the Thargoids were off-limits (FD orders)" when writing the Rift mYsTeRy ( booo ! ).

"To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies!" It's possible that the "mother of galaxies" is a term similar to "mother of all bombs", i.e. simply a big one, i.e. possibly Milky Way. And in that case "the jewel that burns on the brow" would be Earth, which has been referenced to as a jewel by various astronauts who have viewed it from space. Click to expand... What if it is a nebula system where the sun has blown up in some way. There are several of them. Some in notable places like inside other nebula. Or a planet in such a system.

I’ve said many times, saying that again. This not the original, it’s a fan made replica based on the one shown in the stream. Click to expand... But that is now the image in the codex for raxxla in the thumbnail. doesn't that make it part of the game. Maybe the fan was someone from FD, "leaking," something. Yeah the way they managed to pinpoint the signal source made my head hurt trying to understand. Also late time I activated the map room I noticed that the map would drift slowly out the room not sure if it was a bug or not, but to get back on topic I'm not entirely convinced that this is the same route to Raxxla. Do we have any concrete evidence that Thargoids and Raxxla are even connected in a small way? Click to expand... We'd have to find it and whittle it away as a possibili...

If Thargs knows Raxxla and it is the place, then using different system as a target (Raxxla) they may found it. Found it using different link. Hmm, no. It is definitely different things. Thargs and Raxxla. Yes, they may to know, but we haven't mechanic to re-turn that unknown machine to find something else except Thargs sites. And second. If Thargs know Raxxla, will they use it? Can they use it? Can we use it?.. And third thoughts... Federation leaders knows what was Martian non-human Artifact. It was not useless. At least as a source of information. No one will hide something like a piece of stone in 3305. So this artifact may be usable. At least as a source of information.

I think they point to Merope, if they are not activated. It’s dificult to see because of the design, but I think it’s correct. Click to expand... I cant remember anything ever being said about their pointing behaviour when not activated. But then, at my advanced age........ oh, and I had a thought about “the jewel that burns” clue- how about a carbon star? Diamond is a jewel form of carbon.......

I going further in my trying to analyze the Hecate Wheel and it trinity. May something important being in the center of distances from three special systems? For example this three aspects of goddesses who brings light on the crossroads. For example something placed on the same distances from Artemis, Persephone and unknown Eileithyia (or Lucina, or Juno). Or even Shinrarta Dezhra. Probably nothing. Because it is too easy. Not too easy as a calculation, but too easy as an idea. Raxxla or key to it can't hide such oblivious way. I think if I will ready to find Raxxla some day, I should be read main Codex page of it. Not the toast, but facts about Tau Ceti, Art, Cora, Omphalos Rift etc. Ancient goddess is only the spices on this way.

With all respect, I find it really hard to believe Pink Floyd has something to do with ED Click to expand... There is a system named "Gurney Slade", which is a reference to the title of a cult 60's surreal sitcom that was apparently beloved of DB... (It is also the name of a village in Somerset with a jolly nice pub ) On that basis, I wouldn't rule anything out

I thought it was a character from Dune Click to expand... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurney_Halleck

One of the pictures he stole is called Terra Absentia (23rd Century). I had found it interesting.

Terra, usually means specifically "Earth". The Guernica usually represents a bombardment (even if it was originally meant to represent a famous Spanish Torero's death dismay and created before that bombardment took place). The circles, yes, two planets facing one another, with an old man inbetween or, focusing on the shape between them, a wormhole of sorts. Tin foil roll out... Sooooo... yeah. But you didn't find Raxxla. Right? Click to expand... Let's keep open-minded: he found "his" Raxxla. Lucky guy !

The empire has cloning tech. Reclamation and Premonition spoiler Spoiler Maybe the Cat heists are related to a Salome clone? Salome was named after a cat after all, and the leaders of the empire were involved with Salome in Premonition. . A Massive stretch, but just an idea. The feds losing nukes near/on Earth seems to be a recurring part of galnet. (the current moon stuff, and ancient ww3 duds on sol from a while ago.) What were nukes used for in the old games? Did they have any uses other than destroying inra mil sats?

Well... I wouldn't be surprised if so. Once there was a myth, a legend, but corrobored by many testimonials. This myth was a major subject of conversation in most station bars across the Bubble for decades. Unobedient kids were usually threatened to be sent there. Space ships were disappearing when cruising a certain region of the MW... A Bermuda Triangle of sorts ! There be Dragons ! There be Ghosts ! There be Sirens ! Terrifying ! Well, this mYsTeRy turned out to be one very human stranded ship and the only ghosts you can find there are those of the dead very human crew ! Booo !

Found something odd looking for NGC to explore. I've decided my mission in life is to explore NGC completely! 8) NGC 1245. It even has an odd star that has a name with GEN#... It's potentially unreachable. Unless someone knows how to it. It's odd enough to potentially be of interest in any odd searchs. I couldn't find anything in a google search on it. Is this potentially of interest or just some dev spot to make stars?! https://Please use another image host/a/VFjtHxg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGC_1245 I'm assuming this is not in the correct place yet. It should be a part of the perseus constellation! Isn't perseus related to the mysteries somehow?

The Hecate references seemed interesting enough for me to take a quick look at the Asteria and Hecate systems. Asteria has nothing but the three barycentric stars but Hecate has an interesting-sounding Tourist Beacon, given TDW alleged toast: Jewelled Rings Spoiler Tourist Beacon 0039 Commander Canonn extols the amazing views within the icy rings of this moon. . The beacon is on the surface of the 5a moon, which has no rings, so the rings it refers to are probably those of the Ammonia World planet 5. There is a single low-res site, which is near the edge of a Void Opal hotspot, but nothing unusual was going on there when I dropped in just now. Click to expand... "Canonn" though

Anyone shed light on this one, bearing in mind I have a cold so not too level headed of late, but doing some trawling and this popped up from 2015. Now there is no direct quote which me thinks means tis poppycock but its not the first time I've heard this... "David Braben himself told that Raxxla exists in-game, and will appear in the FSD computer once the player does enough DS scans at that region of space..." https://elitepve.com/viewtopic.php?t=2452

Here's Obsidian Ant's post of 2015, so others can see what we're referring to. I've always noticed that region and thought it a bit odd looking as there are so many bright stars all in a line. Kept meaning to go have a look, and I'm not _very_ far away at them moment. Maybe I'll swing by for the hell of it. where did that come from? Search for the term and only ED stuff comes up - who added that to EDSM? Is there an out of game reference for that name? YB Click to expand... Can’t find a irl reference to it like that. Seems to be something that exists in game only. There doesn’t appear to be any real work mythology attached to it. The only things mentioned in NASA, Earth and Sky, Wiki etc is its exceptional luminosity, and that it illuminates the famed Pillars of Creation. The fact (...

Just my opinion and, honestly based on little evidence. If you’re going to the void, which I’ve considered myself so who knows I might bump into you, I’d think looking specifically for triple star systems may be of help. The reason being if we look at TDW symbol, and use the center to line up with the Core region (they’re the same shape) the three orbs seem to be in the void region. I figure the three orbs might be three stars. Click to expand... I will also look out for systems with six barycentric stars, especially if they have only one planet orbiting all of them, as I think it's possible the Raxxla symbol may be the description of a system in Guardian format. Sadly my post here ( https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...rch-Division?p=7328463&viewfull=1#post7328463 ) failed to get a co...

I may not have been initiated into The Dark Wheel but ... ...and the only reason no one has discussed the subject the TDW initiation rites is because we've been waiting for you to get that ball rolling Click to expand... Oh good. Well, I was recently given 20 courier missions from the bubble to Colonia, not boom data delivery, if that's a matter. Since then, 1 week ago today, I have discovered 7 crashed ships sites (not rng wreckage) and 2 Unknown Wreckage sites. The UW sites appear to be something large like pieces of a station, however the logs appear to indicate it is a ship of sorts. 1 crash site has 4 ships and the log for that site appears to suggest non-human contact, as does one of the UW sites. 5 of the crashed ships were discovered through tip offs, all the rest were found t...

I came across a Blogger and Professor of Hanover College Jonathan Smith that goes over Astrophil and Stella sonnets and uses another person notes that goes by the name Ducan-Jones at this site https://blogs.hanover.edu/astrophil/2013/06/13/astrophil-and-stella-sonnet-25/ Sonnet 25 The wisest scholar of the wight most wise, By Phoebus’ doom, with sugared sentence says, That virtue, if it once met with our eyes, Strange flames of love it in our souls would raise; But for that man with pain his truth descries, While he each thing in sense’s balance weighs, And so nor will, nor can, behold those skies Which inward sun to heroic mind displays: Virtue of late, with virtuous care to stir Love of herself, takes Stella’s shape, that she To mortal eyes might sweetly shine in her. It ...

The 7 light year hyperspace limit was based purely on the amount of quirium fuel that the Cobra Mk III was capable of carrying. From the Space Trader's Flight Training Manual: "The ship is highly maneuverable, has a good C-holding factor during hyperspace transit, can hold sufficient Quirium H-fuel for a 7-light-year single jump". The ship was also capable of performing a Galactic Hyperspace jump. I would presume that for other ships the jump range would be constrained by how much fuel they could carry. Basically, we don't have sufficient information to know exactly what that generation of thruspace drives were fully capable of. Click to expand... Yeah, but my point was that those aren't the early hyperspace jumps, and I don't think Drew was saying anything about the actual early hyper...

When you read the original Dark Wheel novella you read when Alex Ryder did travel from Xezaor to Ciraq the jumps he did make was between 6-8Ly afcorse he was loaded with cargo "At nineteen light years from Xezaor, the Nemesis had made two refuelling stops, and as they came into System Space they had energy enough for a two-light-year jump only. The nearest world, Alex knew, was more than twice that distance away" Click to expand... Yeah, I know, and way back in the thread is my attempt to work out where Cirag should be in ED using the info from TDW. However, TDW is set nearly 1,000 years after the discovery of hyperspace and the start of hyperspace travel.

Pretty sure Drew didn’t actually say that 7 ly was the limit of very early hyperspace jumps. Click to expand... When you read the original Dark Wheel novella you read when Alex Ryder did travel from Xezaor to Ciraq the jumps he did make was between 6-8Ly afcorse he was loaded with cargo "At nineteen light years from Xezaor, the Nemesis had made two refuelling stops, and as they came into System Space they had energy enough for a two-light-year jump only. The nearest world, Alex knew, was more than twice that distance away"

The picture of the Dark Wheel station in the codex is interesting to me...snip Click to expand... Sign me up initially for: 21 Zeta Cephei NGC 2682 FBC 3456 HD 14284 Can you update your list with CMDR names as to minimize overlap. If I encounter more from the list on the way southbound, I'll check those too.

Jason Ryder was back from the black and preparing an expedition to Raxxla when killed. So, you did need to "prepare" for going to Raxxla, then ? What did it mean ? Also, now, you don't even need to be single Elite to interact with the TDW faction... do you ?

I think we should try Tycho's Supernova again... its in the right area off Cass and could have been visible by old Philip Sidney (1572)... FD 'say' they didnt put it in....https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=4890586&viewfull=1#post4890586 But did they really? Most likely they did omit it but when it comes to 'there will be no clues' they cant really confirm it if it were the mystery X loaction...all in all we're all probably in agreement its a non-existant location, but then again its right off the shoulder off the H&S area on the Elysian Shore... Looks like a nice area, and I still fancy going back to the H&S so I may just have another gander.

He has everyone convinced that there is not going to be any clues what-so-ever in any of the books because Raxxla was 'strictly off-limits' to him. I am not saying he isn't a credible source, what I am saying is if he was cut from writing about Raxxla that is one thing, but he gave his position as if he were speaking for every 3rd party writer there ever was. I am not so sure that Drew has the power and/or knowledge to make such a call without confirming with other authors as well, that kind of statement would have to come from above him or from every writer. Regardless lets suppose Drew is right and no one is allowed to touch Raxxla, there is still a way to write about Raxxla indirectly without directly referring to the planet or even know you are writing about Raxxla. For example: Supp...

My tinfoil about Thargoids, the missing the Lucifer Device nuke, accessing the permit locked Guardian Bubble and the possible future in store for all of us. Repeatedly on this quest we have came across Sirius and their control and possession of Thargoid technologies and our limitations to those toys and tools as well as the importance of putting a stop to that. They are the poster boys and girls of the power hungry elites that control our fates and access. And the concern over Corporate Control vs Democratic control and the great war looming on our horizon was a common theme on the journey. True Democracy was born and died in Athens Greece, and like the wheel of Fortuna its time will come again and Spring will occur. Democracy followed where Alexander went. Repeatedly the theme of a ...

I wanted to see if there was anything hidden in the Dark Wheel toast to Raxxla. It's a pretty vague clue, so looking at it from a different angle could help. I switched my language to German and Spanish (from the launcher, options > language, it will take a while to reload) and went to the codex entry on Raxxla again. Here's the German toast: “Auf das Juwel, das an der Stirn der Mutter aller Galaxien strahlt! Auf das Flüstern in der Schäwrze des Alls, die Sirene im tiefsten Nichts! Auf der Eltern Gram, der Geliebten Klage und die Sehnsucht eines jeden Vagabunden. Auf Raxxla!” Then I translated that with Google Translate (anyone speak German? I'd love to know how accurate this is): On the jewel that shines on the forehead of the mother of all galaxies! On the whisper in the darkness of...

Assuming there would be no unnecessary mentions in the Codex; Several versions of the Raxxla story mention an alien artefact, the Omphalos Rift, described as a gateway or tunnel through which parallel universe can be accessed. These details however, were later shown to bear a striking resemblance to children's story Princess Astrophel and Spiralling States, and soon lost credibility. Undaunted, some Raxxla seekers insisted that the stor's author had cunningly concealed facts about the mysterious locale in his book as hints for those with eyes to see. Click to expand... I think this part states that old Raxxla lore has been ditched, Raxxla is no longer a portal to parallel universes, but several parts of the old lore are still legit and have some clues. So Omphalos Rift is no long...

Question for anyone who has managed to read the sonnets that may be related to the Raxxla codex entry. Taking a step back I think I’ve been looking at things too fragmentedly. Assuming Omphalos and Astrophel and the Spiriling Stars to be different clues. The Omphalos Rift is said to be mentioned in several stories which seem to originate in an unnamed book that bares a resemblance to the children’s book “Princess Astrophel and the Spiriling Stars” (I think we often forget the Princess part, dunno if it’s significant tho.) so it would seem that we are to look for a mention of an item of significance, power, Magic etc within the works for a clue(s). Has anyone found mention of an item matching that description within the sonnets?

Anyone recalls the source (FD ?) of the reference (exact wording): "Thargoids live in another dimensional plane" ?

Question for anyone who has managed to read the sonnets that may be related to the Raxxla codex entry. Taking a step back I think I’ve been looking at things too fragmentedly. Assuming Omphalos and Astrophel and the Spiriling Stars to be different clues. The Omphalos Rift is said to be mentioned in several stories which seem to originate in an unnamed book that bares a resemblance to the children’s book “Princess Astrophel and the Spiriling Stars” (I think we often forget the Princess part, dunno if it’s significant tho.) so it would seem that we are to look for a mention of an item of significance, power, Magic etc within the works for a clue(s). Has anyone found mention of an item matching that description within the sonnets? Click to expand... Well, there's Cupid's bow. And Sonnet...

I found a nice list of Arabic star names: http://muslimheritage.com/article/arabic-star-names-treasure-knowledge-shared-world Lots of these are used in ED. Mostly in the latinized form. I note that there are two eagles among them. Vega and Altair. We also know these two from the tale of the weaver girl(stellar princess Vega) and the cowherd(Altair).

About names of systems with Elite lore: https://youtu.be/cL0EnnhZH5g?t=3276 About off-limits writer's themes (Thargs, Raxxla, antigrav): https://youtu.be/BolMqymxLxE?t=2343 https://youtu.be/BolMqymxLxE?t=1618 Anyone with a couple of hours to spend might want to watch these vids. Lot of info. I note that there are two eagles among them. Click to expand... What about Odin's crows ? There is some legend which is pretty close to that of the eagles. MB is a great fan of Norse lore.

While we're on the subject of Lovecraft. He wrote a story called Polaris. He also wrote Hypnos which featured a trip to the Coronae Borealis Constellation (Northern Crown.) A rather small 7 star constellation, one of which is not in game, R Coronae Borealis. If you go to 8 Gamma Coronae Borealis you will find the station, Love Enterprise. Hypnos is a tale about a man and his friend, with an Olympian Brow, who go on other worldly adventures to places that the mind cannot conceive. (this is my own rough summary) Hypnos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnos_(short_story) Coronae Borealis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_Borealis

So whether or not you go with Cora or not, so to speak.. the mars relic is definitely in there among the 'gosh-that's odd' list of ED mysteries. And humankind's space exploration and terraforming abilities suddenly take off after its found. There is a large paragraph in a small codex entry dedicated to Cora and Art, so there has to be more to it than the date 2296... I'd be up for a rummage, though I'm far away at the moment. One thing , though , it goes against the 'R was in from the beginning' statement as it would need Horizons. Great work connecting those two! Let the sub-quest begin o7 YB

Some people think Astrophel and Stella is irl version of Princess Astrophil and the Spiralling Stars. Click to expand... Funny thing is it refers Astrophil as a princess and in plain english then Prince and describes Spiralling Stars without using any Latin/Greek phrases. Considering the book itself would of been pronounced in a different native language of the writer. I would like to add that the word Spiralling Stars are a certain class of star Wolf-Rayet Star and not all spiral there are some that do. The biggest highlighted discovery of a spiralling star is WR-104 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WR_104 Edit: Looking through edsm there aren't many Wolf-Rayet Stars on the system there are actually very few in the galaxy that are currently discovered. Edit Went to Gliese 293 lookin...

The discussions in the thread lately have been really good, all around. Something I'm noticing as of late is the multiple references to HP Lovecraft which seem to be increasing daily. Looking at this collection of stories I've found that he has some interesting titles containing keywords in this whole thing. Stories by HP: Polaris- Do I need to say more? Hypnos- In the story they go to the Coronae Borealis constellation (Northern Crown). In 8 Gamma Coronae Borealis you will find the station Love Enterprise. Is this the jewel on the brow? The Nameless City- (Colonia Pirate Faction The Nameless in the Carcosa system. Carcosa is a mythical land HP wrote about. GG w/ 8 moons in system.) The Whisperer in Darkness- Whisperer in Witchspace? The Dreams in the Witch House- In Witchspace? W...

So I dig the deeper dive into Odysseus but how come people have written off the Cora story? Analysis 'Cora comes home soused and raving with wild stories, a new one every night. She claims she's found a map to some pirate stash, and all I have to do is loan her my ship so we can go dig it up. Maybe we should go find Raxxla while we're at it!"​ 'pirate stash' Implication being these items are stolen.​ "dig it up" The treasure Cora is referring to is buried. This insinuates that it is/was on a land-able body and possibly half buried into the surface like a crashed ship.​ "Maybe we should go find Raxxla while we're at it!" Two interpretations of this line can be made that change the entire context of the quote: A) In 2296 Raxxla was deemed impossible to find thus Art's intention is t...

The discussions in the thread lately have been really good, all around. Something I'm noticing as of late is the multiple references to HP Lovecraft which seem to be increasing daily. Looking at this collection of stories I've found that he has some interesting titles containing keywords in this whole thing. Stories by HP: Polaris- Do I need to say more? Hypnos- In the story they go to the Coronae Borealis constellation (Northern Crown). In 8 Gamma Coronae Borealis you will find the station Love Enterprise. Is this the jewel on the brow? The Nameless City- (Colonia Pirate Faction The Nameless in the Carcosa system. Carcosa is a mythical land HP wrote about. GG w/ 8 moons in system.) The Whisperer in Darkness- Whisperer in Witchspace? The Dreams in the Witch House- In Witchspace? W...

2) “no clues” but “some of it is just a little bit obvious” so people know where to start. For something stated as being obvious, to my lnowlage, nobody knows what this “obvious” thing is. So I assume it’s thought of as obvious to people (Braben) Who actually knows where it is and mustakenly thinks that it’ll be obvious to the people who do not. But “knowing where to start” to me indicated that detective work can lead to its discovery. Click to expand... That's getting into reaching territory. Let's just have the full quotes so it's clear. Q: Where is Raxxla? A: Well, it's in the Milky Way, but I can't tell you where at this stage, it's a journey that everyone has to travel for themselves. Q: You have always said there won't be any clues though haven't you? A: Erm, that is true... e...

There is a large paragraph in a small codex entry dedicated to Cora and Art, so there has to be more to it than the date 2296... One thing , though , it goes against the 'R was in from the beginning' statement as it would need Horizons. Click to expand... The way I look at it, the Codex is an additional set of clues, so it can involve Horizons because we can go digging for clues on planets and still find a pointer to a Raxxla that's perfectly discoverable "the old way" (by sheer luck or whatever). Anyway, 2296 either coordinates (22, 96) on that planet with the pirate stash, or (if it skips a paragraph), sonnets 22 and 96 in the Astrophel / Stella thing.

Could be. As, for an example, Odin who gave one eye to receive.."eyes to see". And many others legends/history.... Click to expand... Strange that You are mentioning Odin because reasons. "Eyes to see" was referenced by FD long long time ago for Dark Systems among other things.

Related, are we supposed to find Raxxla using clues in the game and lore? Researching Greek literature and the Illuminati and other "external" sources feels like a rabbit hole to me. Is there precedence for this? Click to expand... Drew Wagar included a number of external references in his Formidine Rift puzzles. It's possible that Michael Brookes may have done the same, as he is well-read. I wouldn't have thought the current custodians of Elite would be so likely to include obscure cultural references, but you never know. The Codex entries appear to have some specific clues....

*I knew I was doing an error with the welcome gift... I know him.* Click to expand... "Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember?" "Eyes to see" is biblical reference (I use it a lot). I guess Codex reference implies Dark System or Dark World.

For those interested in the Odysseus connections. Both sites really cool to visit. I especially liked the Expedition vessel as it's very unique. Gen Ship Odysseus: https://canonn.science/codex/generation-ship-odysseus/ Expedition Vessel Odysseus: https://canonn.science/codex/expedition-vessel-odysseus/ Click to expand... There is a book called: The Four-Dimensional Journey of Odysseus Through Space and Time. https://books.google.no/books?id=Mbc...20rift&f=false It tries to mach all the mythical islands of the odyssey with real stars. I have only read the parts that are available on Google books, but it seem interesting.

System name for the funny Nav becon? Click to expand... Nav beacon really But it's more interesting that you can search Gliese 293 on the galaxy map and it will lead you to system Lawd 26 where the Gliese 293 B star is.

Sorry if anyone has covered this previously...but to continue the literary analysis of Astrophel & Stella against Greek mythology. 'Allusions are a distinguishing feature of sir Philip Sydney's sonnet sequence 'Astrophel and Stella' Elaborate.' https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/allusions-distinguishing-feature-sir-philip-467354 'With eyes to see' - does this allude to a classical analysis of the text, to extract classical names used in astronomical navigation or a Homeric journey?

Ive read, reread and read again Astrophil and Stella. I have come to the conclusion Princess Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars needs to be revisited as a clue for the following reasons: A) Astrophil is a dude so while he could be a princess in 2019 that wasnt possible back in the 1500s. B)Astrophel is misspelled C)The book name is 'Astrophil and Stella' not 'Astrophel and the spiralling stars' D) Stella is singular and spiralling Stars is plural. In order for there to be an actual connect between this line and the book you have to explain away these inconsistencies and to be honest thats going to be difficult. I think the clue here is the simplest interpretation of this line Princess ________ (A star lover) and the spiralling stars. Princess Astronomers are out there, such as...

Funny thing is it refers Astrophil as a princess and in plain english then Prince and describes Spiralling Stars without using any Latin/Greek phrases. Considering the book itself would of been pronounced in a different native language of the writer. I would like to add that the word Spiralling Stars are a certain class of star Wolf-Rayet Star and not all spiral there are some that do. The biggest highlighted discovery of a spiralling star is WR-104 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WR_104 Edit: Looking through edsm there aren't many Wolf-Rayet Stars on the system there are actually very few in the galaxy that are currently discovered. Edit Went to Gliese 293 looking for anything interesting ran into a Eagle which had one weird title called Private Security it was yellow and wasn't based...

Some additional context to back up my early findings. https://www.gradesaver.com/astrophil-and-stella ‘Astrophel and Stella 108 sonnets and 11 songs, "Sonnet cycles" were so named because they incorporated linked sonnets that generally described the progressive rise and fall of a love relationship. In other word’s an inferred plot.’ ‘Sidney's sonnet sequence also exhibits clear references to Homeric epic, particularly Homer's Penelope.’ ‘Some scholars have suggested that the 108 sonnets in the sequence represent the 108 suitors of Penelope, who play a game of striving to hit the Penelope stone in order to determine who can court her.’ This bit is interesting… ‘The 119 poems are also just one number short of the number of months Ulysses spent trying to return home to Penelope in The O...